Henry Cavill IS Superman: - Part 8

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I Am The Knight said:
I guess I'm the only one who enjoyed the mullet. Some artists made it work just fine, it thought it looked cool :o

I have a toy of Clark with a ponytail, lol.

As a kid, I used to think that Electric Superman was cool, and also had a toy. I still think the design is cool, just not for Superman....Looking back, it really is odd how they "reinvented" the character to make him "cooler"... ?
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I liked the electro design too, but for Superman it was a bit...out there. Almost looked like a male version of Livewire. Might have worked for The Flash.

The mullet was an interesting design, especially since modern screen versions of Superman/Clark e.g Welling, Routh and Cavill have longish hair, and not the usual short back and sides.

Hopefully Cavill will keep his Superman body shape, or at least close to it, like Will Smith did after he filmed Ali. It's disappointing when an actor trains hard, then all the gains are gone. Christian Bale's body must take a hammering with the constant weight gain and loss he goes through. Tobey Maguire just gave up after the first Spider-man.
 
hopefulsuicide said:
I guess it's just because when I watch, I couldn't give a hoot about the silly costumes or the funny poses... those are just part of the 'comedic' side of the show. It was angled to be a rom/com, so I don't even notice it anymore.

But it's the message behind all that colourful dressing. There are so many moments of exploration into what being this man would actually be like. So many times where he says something or does something that makes me think 'THAT is what Superman is about'.

When I watch Dean Cain, I believe he IS Clark Kent/Superman. I also completely believe he is in love with Lois Lane. He has me convinced 100%.

Isn't that what being a good actor is?

The fact that his Superman portrayal isn't as drastically different as Reeve's proves nothing of his acting skill. That's how he was ASKED to play it... The point is, the audience is suppose to see that Clark is acting whenever he puts on the suit. That's how the show portrayed Superman, as very much the disguise. So we see the over the top macho poses, we see Clark's attempt at standing taller, putting on more confidence etc. People complain it makes him seem like a characature of a person.... but that's kind of the point... your supposed to see Superman as something unreal, your not supposed to look at him and think for a second he could be a normal person.

Now, I don't want MOS to be the same. I don't want Cavill to take a leaf out of Dean Cain's book or anything.

I feel Dean Cain played THAT interpretation perfectly, and that Cavill will play a very different interpretation and hopefully do it very well too.

Because I think that a Superman film should have a more complicated look at who he is (Superman/Clark/), because I don't think it is just as simple as one is a disguise over the other like so many interpretations try and do. Lois and Clark made Superman a disguise, almost to the point where he became ridiculous. STM made Clark a disguise, beyond the point where he was ridiculous.

This time, I hope they show that both personas have elements of disguise and reality in there.
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Great post. It definitely seems like that's what they were going for, Superman as this big disguise. Heck, the show is called "Lois & CLARK", not "Lois & Superman". My guess is that he got the role because he made Clark work, and Superman was a secondary character? That's the vibe I always got from the show. Anyway, after reading your post, I really want to check this out and see what sticks.

I will report my thoughts later :woot:

FreeRadical said:
I liked the electro design too, but for Superman it was a bit...out there. Almost looked like a male version of Livewire. Might have worked for The Flash.

The mullet was an interesting design, especially since modern screen versions of Superman/Clark e.g Welling, Routh and Cavill have longish hair, and not the usual short back and sides.

Hopefully Cavill will keep his Superman body shape, or at least close to it, like Will Smith did after he filmed Ali. It's disappointing when an actor trains hard, then all the gains are gone. Christian Bale's body must take a hammering with the constant weight gain and loss he goes through. Tobey Maguire just gave up after the first Spider-man.
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I think Cavill stated in an interview that he was going to keep his new physique. If there's a sequel, he'll look even better :up:
 
On Dean Cain: the guy was hired to be CK, his Superman was a secondary character on the show. That's not an excuse as to why his Superman was so poor but maybe an excuse as to why his CK was so good.

On Cavill: you know people say he's out of shape in Cold Light of Day he isn't in shape like he is for Man of Steel but I wouldn't say he's out of shape he doesn't look overweight.
 
I Am The Knight said:
I guess I'm the only one who enjoyed the mullet. Some artists made it work just fine, it thought it looked cool :o

I have a toy of Clark with a ponytail, lol.
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I loved that look on Superman. As a kid I had my hair long and then suddenly my favorite had his hair grown out too. It was a really big deal for me at the time.
 
Rust said:
I never really watched the show, but I definitely dont hate Cain either. Just the show, the suit-design and that the producers were willing to ridicule the character with that suit-design. That crap didnt even look cool in the 90s.
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Did you see my post? I just said that was only used for like one episode. The cape doesn't normally attach that way and the neckline isn't that low and the logo isn't that friggen huge.
 
Project862006 said:
the-cold-light-of-day-poster.jpg
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That is a MUCH better poster than the first one IMO.

It's so nice to see his name at the top there as well. I honestly do think that he will has good career ahead of him, and isn't going to get pigeon holed. I mean, this will be the third film he has played the leading role in, that's a pretty good start :)

Jackman, Bale, Evans, Hemsworth, Downey Jnr - plenty of people have proven that playing a superhero does not mean the end of your career in this day and age. If anything it seems to start a boost in your career :)

I Am The Knight said:
Great post. It definitely seems like that's what they were going for, Superman as this big disguise. Heck, the show is called "Lois & CLARK", not "Lois & Superman". My guess is that he got the role because he made Clark work, and Superman was a secondary character? That's the vibe I always got from the show. Anyway, after reading your post, I really want to check this out and see what sticks.

I will report my thoughts later :woot:
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Cool, it's definitely worth a revisit.

You know what I think is worth pointing out as well, before you go in thinking 'wow, this is so dated and cheesy'.

Superboy ended in 92. If you get a chance, try and watch an episode of that show and compare it to the Lois and Clark pilot from 93...

I think people forget how good the show was for it's time :) The last episode of Lois and Clark was in 97... 15 years have passed since then. It's bound to be a little dated!
 
also being the lead in edward zwick's next film is a huge boost

zwick has directed the likes of :

Tom Cruise
Denzel Washington
Leonardo DiCaprio
Jake Gyllenhaal
Daniel Craig
 
Out of shape is a poor choice of words. I think GoblinWhirlwind meant not as in shape.
 
hopefulsuicide said:
Now, I don't want MOS to be the same. I don't want Cavill to take a leaf out of Dean Cain's book or anything.

I feel Dean Cain played THAT interpretation perfectly, and that Cavill will play a very different interpretation and hopefully do it very well too.

Because I think that a Superman film should have a more complicated look at who he is (Superman/Clark/), because I don't think it is just as simple as one is a disguise over the other like so many interpretations try and do. Lois and Clark made Superman a disguise, almost to the point where he became ridiculous. STM made Clark a disguise, beyond the point where he was ridiculous.

This time, I hope they show that both personas have elements of disguise and reality in there.
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I completely agree with (and just generally love) this post. :up:
 
I don't really agree with this whole "don't take anything from past interpretations, do something new" thing. Mostly because the people who say these things immediately turn around and suggest taking inspiration from the DCAU. Don't make a rehash of an old movie or show, but don't ignore them either. To say that they should be ignored is like saying they did nothing worth remembering or keeping. We're talking about a single character here, all interpretations have things in common because of that. Henry Cavill's Superman is not going to be the polar opposite of Christopher Reeve's.
 
What's the polar opposite of Chris Reeve's Superman?
 
I've often wondered if at first, when in public and using the persona of superman, Clark should act cold, not cold as in distant or robotic, but he shouldn't have instantly recognisable 'western' or 'modern man' characteristics - think of an African tribesman meeting the American public for the first time or a man from ancient Rome being transported to a modern day city, instantly we would feel he doesn't belong here! Still doesn't mean he has no emotion - I just want him to appear 'alien' so when lois talks with him, compared to her time with Clark, there is a huge distinction between the two - clark is a humble, decent young man, raised on a farm. Superman is indeed all powerful, non human but sincere. Makes a great reason for the public to be skeptical! He's not some teenager in a Lycra suit with added confidence knowing he can websling away from bullies!
 
Vaibow said:
I've often wondered if at first, when in public and using the persona of superman, Clark should act cold, not cold as in distant or robotic, but he shouldn't have instantly recognisable 'western' or 'modern man' characteristics - think of an African tribesman meeting the American public for the first time or a man from ancient Rome being transported to a modern day city, instantly we would feel he doesn't belong here! Still doesn't mean he has no emotion - I just want him to appear 'alien' so when lois talks with him, compared to her time with Clark, there is a huge distinction between the two - clark is a humble, decent young man, raised on a farm. Superman is indeed all powerful, non human but sincere. Makes a great reason for the public to be skeptical! He's not some teenager in a Lycra suit with added confidence knowing he can websling away from bullies!
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I think it would be interesting to play on the alien aspects, because I think in costume and announced to the world as Superman it's the first time he's ever been able to let that side of himself completely loose.

And certainly around the military, around reporters, he wants to cement the fact that he's NOT human, to protect his human identity. So he'd perhaps try and play up the aspects of himself that come off as 'he's not from around here'.

But there is a delicate line IMO.

For example, I don't think he should be 'cold' or act completely without knowledge of our 'ways'. As that just increases his potential to be seen as a threat, and makes it harder for people to trust him.

And it totally depends on whose perspective your looking at.

To the people he is saving, he should give off an immediate feeling of safety. Something inexplicable, perhaps just from his calm confidence, or the slight smile of reassurance and determination set in his eyes.

To the people he is confronting, his look of intimidation should stop them in their tracks. They should be fearful of his power and not neccesarily trust all the rumours that he's a goodie and doesn't hurt anybody when their face to face with him and he's regarding them with clenched fists and jaw.

And to people in power. The military, the government. He should be intense, authoritative and direct. He should be distant and alien enough that they understand he is a free agent. He is nobody's pawn. But reasonable enough and sincere enough that he is eventually accepted as not a threat.

But hey, I accept that is a heck of a lot of work for an actor or a script to exactly capture. And it's only how I personally see it anyway.

So we'll see :)
 
That's who he bulked up with, yep. It was reported back when he was cast.
 
Bruce_Begins said:
Those pics. were taken in Sep. 2010.

And this in Oct, 2011
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what has the image from oct 2011t o do with my post? some talked in what shape he was when he filmed Light Day and i posted a link to see.
 
I Am The Knight said:
Well, outside of the comics, there was Superman TAS.
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TAS was probably the only decent Superman property to come out of the 90s because it didn't fall in with the current trends happening in the comics and media.

After Superman died and returned in the comics, they completely ruined his character for almost a decade.

Even the wedding was considered by half of DC, according to Paul Levitz, as a major mistake. Hence why the Lois and Clark marriage was finally retconned in New 52.

Electric Superman, ponytail Superman, domesticated Superman, Lois and Clark the series, Tim Burton's Superman... they basically had no idea what they were doing.
 
Rockstar said:
TAS was probably the only decent Superman property to come out of the 90s because it didn't fall in with the current trends happening in the comics and media.

After Superman died and returned in the comics, they completely ruined his character for almost a decade.

Even the wedding was considered by half of DC, according to Paul Levitz, as a major mistake. Hence why the Lois and Clark marriage was finally retconned in New 52.

Electric Superman, ponytail Superman, domesticated Superman, Lois and Clark the series, Tim Burton's Superman... they basically had no idea what they were doing.
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I don't think you can say they had no idea what they were doing fot all those they were just trying out things to make the character a little different. I love the marriage between Lois & Clark and at the time it was fresh and seemed the right way to go that's why they did it, it took something stale and took it to the next stage that it needed to be at.

And on Lois & Clark the TV series it was for a while a hit and the reason some people became Superman fans so you can't say it was all wrong.
 
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