Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - - - - Part 17

[The Joker]

I didn't like Leto's Joker at all, but did anyone think he was kind of hot?

*****es be cray

 

[MasterChief2829]

this is awesome, where is this from?

From a short bit in one of the special features, that bit is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8QSiPDyIb0

 

[Blitzkrieg]

 

[Wildcard]

Agree on the editing, although I did feel that the movie flows a little better with the extended cut; actually it made me appreciate it much better (despite still being the movie I like the least in the DCEU).

And yeah, the skin tone inconsistency, that was annoying AF, I actually liked either tone, ya know? Either albino-like or chalk white, just stick to one of them!! There were even scenes where his hands and face had different tones, IIRC.

But don't you dare take away my Joker chains!!!



Polux

I wouldn't mind the more albino-esque coloring but I feel that chalk white really does work best for Joker, especially with the aesthetic they're going for now.

And hey, those chains are just a little too...distracting. t:

 

[ironman29758]

I wouldn't mind the more albino-esque coloring but I feel that chalk white really does work best for Joker, especially with the aesthetic they're going for now.

And hey, those chains are just a little too...distracting. t:

Honestly him looking albino works if he is locked in Arkham personally, but Chalk White when he escapes and is in full performer mode (like Dark Knight Returns) and I do feel like David Ayer may have been inspired by that idea. but the way Suicide Squad handled it left a lot to be desired.

I just like the visual of Joker putting on make up despite being permawhite like in the Batman TAS "Last Laugh"

As for the chains, I could take it or leave it.

 

[Wildcard]

I just feel like from a consistency standpoint it works to choose one tone and stick with it all the way through, whether he's free or in Arkham.

Just my $0.02, though.

 

[ironman29758]

I just feel like from a consistency standpoint it works to choose one tone and stick with it all the way through, whether he's free or in Arkham.

Just my $0.02, though.

That's fair. Something about it adds to the performer/theatrical aspect that seeing him add make up to his already clown like appearance does.


But I can see why the whole keeping it consistent overall works better when handling characters like The Joker permaclown look in live action media. I just felt like it could have been translated better into what it was.

 

[Wildcard]

Agreed. I don't mind him adding lipstick or darkening his eyes in terms of adding make-up, but his actual skin tone should definitely be handled consistently. Especially when you explicitly show him leaping into a vat of chemicals.

 

[matt47]

How would ya'll feel if in the next movie Joker is in he doesn't have the same design as in SS? Like, he actually has his shirt buttoned and doesn't have the tats? I honestly don't know how they'd explain it but I don't care at this point because for me, SS never happened.

 

[Ivan Drago]

How would ya'll feel if in the next movie Joker is in he doesn't have the same design as in SS? Like, he actually has his shirt buttoned and doesn't have the tats? I honestly don't know how they'd explain it but I don't care at this point because for me, SS never happened.

Start over. Get rid of that ugly aesthetic. Tell Jared to tone it down, and make his insanity more natural. Stop being so try-hard. Give him good dialogue.

Sometimes less is more

 

[Polux]

Start over. Get rid of that ugly aesthetic. Tell Jared to tone it down, and make his insanity more natural. Stop being so try-hard. Give him good dialogue.

Sometimes less is more

This claim keeps popping over and over again....since obviously everyone here is an expert on the behavioral patterns of the clinically insane...

Here's the thing kiddos, no one like the Joker has ever existed. Period. He's (by design) something beyond any sociopath and madman you've seen in the evening news, you don't know what a "real life" Joker would behave like, so where exactly do you draw the line for "over the top" (which, again, "over the top" is one of the Joker main, classic traits).

Romero, Nicholson, Ledger, Leto...they all gave different performances and all of them in line with what the Joker is as a character; but if we take, say, the source material as a precedent of what the Joker is supposed to "act" like, then Leto's is perfectly in line with that and (IMHO) the closest to comics book Joker, actually...


Polux

 

[Polux]

How would ya'll feel if in the next movie Joker is in he doesn't have the same design as in SS? Like, he actually has his shirt buttoned and doesn't have the tats? I honestly don't know how they'd explain it but I don't care at this point because for me, SS never happened.

Well, the Joker showing up looking completely different without any explanation is also in tone with the character and it adds to his "force of nature" status (or as he himself states in the movie "I'm an idea"), so I wouldn't be against it, I just REALLY like this particular look for the character and find'im fitting for this universe they're creating.

Of course, no matter what look you give him, there will be people saying "not my Joker", calling him a bastardization fo the character and that "the Joker would never dress like that", because the internet....


Polux

 

[Polux]

Jared just posted this on instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/BM_hDjWhfgP/ wonder if he talked with him

edit: Wait nvm he still snapchating from Tokyo, wat... must be old.

Good to see he's still excited about the character, hopefully he'll be back for The Batman


Polux

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Over explaining can make things worse. Just have him dressed properly and be done with it. And leave the gangster-club owner gig to the Penguin.

 

[The Joker]

Start over. Get rid of that ugly aesthetic. Tell Jared to tone it down, and make his insanity more natural. Stop being so try-hard. Give him good dialogue.

Sometimes less is more

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This claim keeps popping over and over again....since obviously everyone here is an expert on the behavioral patterns of the clinically insane...

You don't have to be to know when a performance feels forced and unnatural.

Here's the thing kiddos, no one like the Joker has ever existed. Period. He's (by design) something beyond any sociopath and madman you've seen in the evening news, you don't know what a "real life" Joker would behave like, so where exactly do you draw the line for "over the top" (which, again, "over the top" is one of the Joker main, classic traits).

Not true. Joker's psychosis has been assessed by mental health experts; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/21/batman-villains-psychoanalyzed_n_901913.html

His psychosis is very much grounded in reality. Just because nobody has dressed up like a clown and wreaked havoc has never existed doesn't mean the psychology behind him is any less real. We've never had someone dress as a bat and embark on a one man crusade of a life of crime fighting for a whole city, but that doesn't mean the psychology behind Bruce Wayne's demons is not realistic.

 

[Polux]

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You don't have to be to know when a performance feels forced and unnatural.

Despite the fact that appreciation of any art form is completely subjective?? As a performer myself I find his execution well in line with what (I assume) was intended.

Not true. Joker's psychosis has been assessed by mental health experts; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/21/batman-villains-psychoanalyzed_n_901913.html

His psychosis is very much grounded in reality. Just because nobody has dressed up like a clown and wreaked havoc has never existed doesn't mean the psychology behind him is any less real. We've never had someone dress as a bat and embark on a one man crusade of a life of crime fighting for a whole city, but that doesn't mean the psychology behind Bruce Wayne's demons is not realistic.

But that's what I mean, no one as over the top as the Joker has ever existed, therefore any real life reference point would fall short to what's presented on screen in terms of "loony".

I take it by your username that you're a big Joker fan, which is awesome, the Joker is my favorite fictional character and I'm sorry you didn't enjoy this particular take.


Polux

 

[The Joker]

Despite the fact that appreciation of any art form is completely subjective?? As a performer myself I find his execution well in line with what (I assume) was intended.

Of course it's subjective. That's why we don't need to be mental health experts to find fault with his performance. Not every acting performance is convincing at playing a psychopath.

But that's what I mean, no one as over the top as the Joker has ever existed, therefore any real life reference point would fall short to what's presented on screen in terms of "loony".

Most comic book characters have never existed in real life, because it's a fantasy world, whereas in real life we don't get Jokers, or Batmans, or Supermans, or Deadpools or Dr Stranges etc. But the psychology and personality of these characters is very real.

There are psychotics who are as over the top as Joker in personality and mannerisms. They don't have to come from a comic book world to have a larger than life over the top psychotic personality and quirks e.g.

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I take it by your username that you're a big Joker fan, which is awesome, the Joker is my favorite fictional character and I'm sorry you didn't enjoy this particular take.


Polux

Thank you. Appreciate that. I haven't totally written him off though. Some people think he should be recast, but I blame the script and direction he got. With a revamping under the right people I think Leto could hit the heights.

 

[Polux]

Thank you. Appreciate that. I haven't totally written him off though. Some people think he should be recast, but I blame the script and direction he got. With a revamping under the right people I think Leto could hit the heights.

Personally, I think his performance was hurt by the editing more than anything else and we got only a glimpse of what Leto was trying to do; hopefully under Affleck's direction (operative word: hopefully) we'll get a more rounded performance.


Polux

 

[Andrew Lucas]

This claim keeps popping over and over again....since obviously everyone here is an expert on the behavioral patterns of the clinically insane...

Here's the thing kiddos, no one like the Joker has ever existed. Period. He's (by design) something beyond any sociopath and madman you've seen in the evening news, you don't know what a "real life" Joker would behave like, so where exactly do you draw the line for "over the top" (which, again, "over the top" is one of the Joker main, classic traits).

Romero, Nicholson, Ledger, Leto...they all gave different performances and all of them in line with what the Joker is as a character; but if we take, say, the source material as a precedent of what the Joker is supposed to "act" like, then Leto's is perfectly in line with that and (IMHO) the closest to comics book Joker, actually...


Polux

To be fair, it's not hard to know when someone wants to come off as insane, "try-hards", for example, that club scene had Leto shouting "Honka-Honka" which was totally unnatural and forced by the script, there's insane, and then there's Jim Carrey insane. That was the only scene I had that impression, so you can't really blame people for having such thoughts.

 

[Hurm...]

How would ya'll feel if in the next movie Joker is in he doesn't have the same design as in SS? Like, he actually has his shirt buttoned and doesn't have the tats? I honestly don't know how they'd explain it but I don't care at this point because for me, SS never happened.

If it's a good film with a great performance, people largely won't care. They won't be like "Wow, that was brilliant, but sorry, it gets pegged down a few notches for inconsistency." They'll instead react like "That was brilliant, who gives a f*** if he doesn't have the stupid tattoos?"

Frankly, if I were in the director's shoes, I would go with my own vision and ignore whatever I didn't like in SS. Otherwise, your present film gets tied down by the poor decisions of a film before it. That is a major problem.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

That helicopter scene is just natural Joker. "Professor..." The way Jared says it it's corny and I legitimately chuckled by the split second delivered line.

This kind of **** is something that lacked in the movie. Joker 'Jokering'.

 

[Wildcard]

How would ya'll feel if in the next movie Joker is in he doesn't have the same design as in SS? Like, he actually has his shirt buttoned and doesn't have the tats? I honestly don't know how they'd explain it but I don't care at this point because for me, SS never happened.

I doubt they'd go for a 100% revamp but as long as it looks good I'm not complaining. I don't have any issues with the tattoos and grillz, but if they go, they go.

What I primarily care about is that the next time we see Joker he actually has more to do and his scenes don't end up in a vault, never to see the light of day.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Recast talk is nothin but bs.

Leto is a good actor. Give him good material and he will come through. Ayer just did not get the character.

 

[Wildcard]

That and the fact that there's still so many scenes that didn't get reinserted to give us an even more in-depth look at the performance.

 

[KillerWolf]

I second that talking about recast is entirely pointless. Nor there's any need for it to happen.