The Dark Knight Rises Joseph Gordon-Levitt as John Blake

[COMPO]

It seems to close to Joker, I'd rather Bane be an outside force manipulating the mob without actually making contact with them like the Joker did. He makes them fight so that he can tire Batman out and beat him.

 

[ALittlePush]

I'd hate for Bane to be hired by Alberto (or any Mob Boss, for that matter). That's just as shamelessly a retread, if not moreso, than the alleged League of Shadows plotline that leaked. Not only that, but I want Bane to feel like his own character, not just a saner and musclebound replacement for Mr. J and his contributions to the criminal underworld.

Fair enough. I was just trying to think of a reason why Bane would have it in for Batman so badly. I kind of imagine Bane as a "failure is not an option" sort of guy. If he's hired for a job, he gets the job done, no matter how long it takes. That sort of thing. How do you imagine Bane would be introduced?

 

[ALittlePush]

It seems to close to Joker, I'd rather Bane be an outside force manipulating the mob without actually making contact with them like the Joker did. He makes them fight so that he can tire Batman out and beat him.

I can see where you're coming from in regards to Bane being hired by the mob like Joker was. However, if Bane had the reputation amongst the mob as being the guy to get the job done, why wouldn't they hire him? Sort of "If at first you don't succeed, try and try again". Joker was nuts and the mob only hired him because Batman caught Lao and Lao had all their money. Would they have hired him otherwise? Probably not. Hiring Bane could set up a reference to the Joker. Maybe an older mob guy advises Alberto against hiring Bane, kind of a "Look what happened with the last guy hired to kill Batman". Just my thoughts. In what way would Bane be able to manipulate the mob without actually making contact with them?

 

[COMPO]

manipulate them through events like the mob is already splintered and almost destroyed, they're kind of desperate and fighting for territory there isn't a charismatic leader like Maroni to keep the peace so all it would need would be a little push to cause them to totally go at war sort of like War Games. Bane could escalate the desperation and suspicion amongst the mob to explode them through Gotham and have a sort of knightfall scenario with the mob.

 

[Nevincer]

manipulate them through events like the mob is already splintered and almost destroyed, they're kind of desperate and fighting for territory there isn't a charismatic leader like Maroni to keep the peace so all it would need would be a little push to cause them to totally go at war sort of like War Games. Bane could escalate the desperation and suspicion amongst the mob to explode them through Gotham and have a sort of knightfall scenario with the mob.

Again, you just described their role in The Dark Knight on a bigger/smaller scale depending on your outlook. The mob was already effectively hopeless, scattered and dependant on the freakiest of characters after the incarceration of their 'charismatic leader' Falcone and the emergence of Batman and Dent. They turned to Scarecrow, Lau then the Joker as illustrated in that film. Yes, the mob turning on each other would be an original idea but I don't see why that's contingent on Bane being hired or the inexperienced Alberto being at the reigns. It could have happened just as well in TDK, and I don't think new circumstances make that more accessible or an interesting point of the film than before. Maroni seemed to be one tier down from Falcone, and Alberto just seems to be another tier down for me, it's the same stuff in another coat of paint with the mob being even weaker and hiring (not opinion, just for the purposes of the film's subject matter of course) a more skilled "freak" villain. It's just TDK's scenario all over again, especially if it was the crux of the plot. Most sequels suffer from taking what they did before to bigger extremes instead of doing something original or something fresh that warrants it's conclusive stamp.

 

[COMPO]

would be cool if mob bosses were running toward the freaks whereas Alberto was trying to keep his fathers legacy and bring back the status quo of Begins before Batman, but finds that he's been slowly knocked out of the running by the freak mobs that are emerging

 

[Yurka]

I'm really hoping thats the case Yurka.

Thats one thing I really liked about Batman 89 the pure isolated nature of Wayne. He was an incredibly lonely man basically rendering Wayne as a waiting room for when Batman needed to actually come out and take care of business.

Definitely think TDK like you pointed out paved the way for that version of Wayne.

I sure hope so

The problem with that Wayne was that he was also very boring, as a character. Partly because the screenplay didn't give him anything to do, admitedly.

I think thats when he's at his best. I believe Batman is his real personality and Bruce is the mask, he can fake entertain and such but he's really just "waiting" to put his suit on.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I sure hope so



I think thats when he's at his best. I believe Batman is his real personality and Bruce is the mask, he can fake entertain and such but he's really just "waiting" to put his suit on.

I don't really agree with that assessment. I think the "public" Bruce is a mask, and that Batman in part is a mask as well. The "real" personality is somewhere in-between, when he's not putting on an act either way.

 

[Gianakin_]

I don't really agree with that assessment. I think the "public" Bruce is a mask, and that Batman in part is a mask as well. The "real" personality is somewhere in-between, when he's not putting on an act either way.

Like whenever he's talking to Alfred.

 

[Yurka]

I don't really agree with that assessment. I think the "public" Bruce is a mask, and that Batman in part is a mask as well. The "real" personality is somewhere in-between, when he's not putting on an act either way.

True, I should have been more precise in saying that his true personality is closer to Batman, but theres still some Bruce, like those he can be truly honest with.

Like whenever he's talking to Alfred.

Right, I liked the scene at the Dent Fundraiser in his penthouse, Bale did a great job of making it look like Bruce was just putting on a big show, but his priorities/thoughts were elsewhere.

 

[craigdbfan]

All aspects of Wayne are sadly who he is. Just because the public Wayne is an act doesn't necessarily mean its not a part of him as he is still utilizing his actual persona and somewhat making it seem to the generally eye purely to lead away any speculation that Batman could ever be some spontaneously shallow billionaire.

I agree though that the real Bruce seldom comes out (Rachel, Alfred, Parents, Ra's) but he is still alive as Rachel said in Begins although she seems to have changed her mind somewhat in that she is positively sure that Wayne needs Batman completely now, he's been full consumed. The "symbol" has eaten up most of the man by depriving him of a normal life and making Wayne into the vessel in which Batman can live.

 

[DCRanger]

would be cool if mob bosses were running toward the freaks whereas Alberto was trying to keep his fathers legacy and bring back the status quo of Begins before Batman, but finds that he's been slowly knocked out of the running by the freak mobs that are emerging

I agree with all that... do you think it's then possible... that a twist could happen... like maybe a defeated Alberto resorts to some sort of freak himself (maybe becoming a freak via some form of mask or some other identity (that is somewhat "freakish"))... maybe in the last third of the movie?


Just a thought. Maybe Alberto becomes The Holiday Killer or something?


Note: be gentle with me - I'm not that familiar with The Holiday Killer or several other lesser known villains.

 

[venus_ice]

Since this is the JGL thread, you can vote for him for best fight and lots of other categories for Inception http://t.co/tRrp7Ld

 

[COMPO]

Yeah like Alberto can't control the mob or is being dismissed by other mob bosses so he makes the Holiday killer persona in order to take out his rivals and consolidate his power basis.

 

[shortchange]

Since this is the JGL thread, you can vote for him for best fight and lots of other categories for Inception http://t.co/tRrp7Ld

Haha, I like that he is actually competitive about it and asks his fans to vote for him. t:
He deserves it for best fight though.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

First time venturing into the Bat-threads, so no flaming, mofos. I thought the Albert rumour was dismissed? We just speculating, or is that info still live and red hot?


Also, gotta say, I find it weird Nolan casting the one actor who could physically pass for Ledgers Joker in the make-up.

 

[ArzAvE]

I'd hate for Bane to be hired by Alberto (or any Mob Boss, for that matter). That's just as shamelessly a retread, if not moreso, than the alleged League of Shadows plotline that leaked. Not only that, but I want Bane to feel like his own character, not just a saner and musclebound replacement for Mr. J and his contributions to the criminal underworld.

Mmm.. It reminds me the BTAS episode of "Bane" where he is working for Rupert Thorne... Even as a child, when I see that episode I didnt feel they make justice to the character...

 

[shortchange]

First time venturing into the Bat-threads, so no flaming, mofos. I thought the Albert rumour was dismissed? We just speculating, or is that info still live and red hot?

We have two big publications with conflicting reports and no official confirmation. Some people speculate EW (who dismissed the Falcone reports) might have better sources than Variety because they are owned by Time Warner, other think the EW story might be a studio leak to do some damage control.
So, in short, we know nothing for sure.

 

[Doctor Jones]

All aspects of Wayne are sadly who he is. Just because the public Wayne is an act doesn't necessarily mean its not a part of him as he is still utilizing his actual persona and somewhat making it seem to the generally eye purely to lead away any speculation that Batman could ever be some spontaneously shallow billionaire.

I agree though that the real Bruce seldom comes out (Rachel, Alfred, Parents, Ra's) but he is still alive as Rachel said in Begins although she seems to have changed her mind somewhat in that she is positively sure that Wayne needs Batman completely now, he's been full consumed. The "symbol" has eaten up most of the man by depriving him of a normal life and making Wayne into the vessel in which Batman can live.

This gives me chills. Probably one of of the greatest things ever said in these threads.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Haha, I like that he is actually competitive about it and asks his fans to vote for him. t:
He deserves it for best fight though.

Hahaha, yeah, that was cool. Be proud, Joe!

 

[venus_ice]

Joe's new video for anyone interested in seeing half of his face. Which is mostly me

 

[papie]

This gives me chills. Probably one of of the greatest things ever said in these threads.

I wholeheartedly agree. Those things make the superhero genre and the movies it produces very mature and unsuperficial.

I don't often see character with a nuanced complex psychological palette like that.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Each comic book character has their strengths for what they are. I love Peter Parker for my ability to identify with him the most, and sharing the selfless, flawed and human ways of Bruce, but Bruce has such a fascinating psychology.

 

[papie]

Each comic book character has their strengths for what they are. I love Peter Parker for my ability to identify with him the most, and sharing the selfless, flawed and human ways of Bruce, but Bruce has such a fascinating psychology.

The lovely thing with Bruce is that it is story about a boy who lost his parents and never really knew how to deal with it until it consumed him.

Most comic book characters are sane and mentally stable(to an extent). But Bruce is a mad, violent weirdo in a city where he is constantly provoked to be just that. That's why I love 'A serious house on a serious earth' so much.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Man, I seriously need to read more Batman comics.