Supergirl Katie McGrath IS Lena Luthor!

[Kelly]

Well, it suggests she's somewhat calculating, and that she has some sort of long-term plan unfolding in the background.

But none of that is evil, necessarily.

I'm fine with a certain aura of mystery surrounding the character.

I would prefer that she not become a villain, but I don't think she needs to be transparently good either. There are plenty of characters on the show that already fill that role.

I'd like to see a genuine friendship but with genuine disagreements about certain things, with Lena maybe challenging Kara's worldview a bit, and vice versa.

They already did that this season. If that is all their disagreements are going to be over then it is going to be pretty boring.

 

[Flemm]

They already did that this season. If that is all their disagreements are going to be over then it is going to be pretty boring.

You could be right. And maybe having some sort of deeper rift between the two characters would be a good idea, at some point in the season.

I'm not suggesting that everything should be perfectly stable at all times, of course.

But I think, fairly often, if something works, it works.

Kara has a circle of mostly-supportive friends, and I don't think we need Lena to become an enemy.

So placing her somewhere on the edge makes sense to me.

 

[Kelly]

You could be right. And maybe having some sort of deeper rift between the two characters would be a good idea, at some point in the season.

I'm not suggesting that everything should be perfectly stable at all times, of course.

But I think, fairly often, if something works, it works.

Kara has a circle of mostly-supportive friends, and I don't think we need Lena to become an enemy.

So placing her somewhere on the edge makes sense to me.

That is really all I'm saying.....she doesn't need to be a Lex villain at all......just that friend that was a good friend, had tons of heart, but was always the one getting into trouble, or getting you into trouble that you had to bail out. But when it came down to it, they would give their life for you. and then throw in some very ..... whoa did she just do that, every once in awhile.

 

[Flemm]

That is really all I'm saying.....she doesn't need to be a Lex villain at all......just that friend that was a good friend, had tons of heart, but was always the one getting into trouble, or getting you into trouble that you had to bail out. But when it came down to it, they would give their life for you. and then throw in some very ..... whoa did she just do that, every once in awhile.

Yeah, I am basically agreeing, just with many extra words

 

[flickchick85]

But if all she is going to do is be a bestie for Kara that is a genius. We have that already his name is Winn.

Sure...if Kara actually hung out with Winn outside the DEO anymore, if Winn had the ambition to actually change the world with his inventions, if Winn was actually one of the richest people and most powerful people in National City with the ability to make those dreams a reality, if Winn's criminal family was in fact on the loose and dead set on genocide, if Winn also still wanted said evil family's approval and if Winn had a more questionable worldview on aliens, then yeah, it's just like Winn - a much, MUCH more interesting version of Winn.

That said, this:

she doesn't need to be a Lex villain at all......just that friend that was a good friend, had tons of heart, but was always the one getting into trouble, or getting you into trouble that you had to bail out. But when it came down to it, they would give their life for you. and then throw in some very ..... whoa did she just do that, every once in awhile.

Is exactly what I want, so I don't know what we're debating anymore, lol. Except I want her to keep doing awesome stuff as well (like setting the trap for the gang with alien weapons, destroying Medusa, etc), so she's not easily written off as a screw-up or someone Kara clearly needs to cut ties with. I like it when she bails Kara out of trouble too, and there's a balance. She should continue to do a lot of good for the city while also doing a lot of questionable and dangerous and ill-advised things, imo. It shouldn't be black-or-white with her at all.

 

[SSAV]

Sure...if Kara actually hung out with Winn outside the DEO anymore, if Winn had the ambition to actually change the world with his inventions, if Winn was actually one of the richest people and most powerful people in National City with the ability to make those dreams a reality, if Winn's criminal family was in fact on the loose and dead set on genocide, if Winn also still wanted said evil family's approval and if Winn had a more questionable worldview on aliens, then yeah, it's just like Winn - a much, MUCH more interesting version of Winn.

That said, this:

Is exactly what I want, so I don't know what we're debating anymore, lol. Except I want her to keep doing awesome stuff as well (like setting the trap for the gang with alien weapons, destroying Medusa, etc), so she's not easily written off as a screw-up or someone Kara clearly needs to cut ties with. I like it when she bails Kara out of trouble too, and there's a balance. She should continue to do a lot of good for the city while also doing a lot of questionable and dangerous and ill-advised things, imo. It shouldn't be black-or-white with her at all.

Lena is my favourite new character. But, I do get Kelly's point in the sense that I don't think they spent much time actually pointing out that Lena could have worldviews that would challenge Kara's. After that first alien detector thing, the writers have been mainly cashing in on the Luthor name and Katie's acting to push the point that Lena could be grey while she herself actually never did anything remotely shady.

I mean, a. she went against her mother--whose approval she wanted--to protect aliens, b. she saved Supergirls' life when the choice was between hers and her boyfriend and lost flame and Supergirl is not even her friend, c. she went with Rhea's weird plan as much because she wanted to solve world hunger as because she wanted parental approval and d. she risked her life and happiness because Rhea threatened a Children's Hospital.

And she does seem to genuinely care about Kara without any ulterior motive (including sexual attraction. )

I mean that girl has too much pressure on her because if a real-live person had done all this, we would be calling her a saint.

So, I don't think the writers have actually given her anything to show she really is morally grey; like Alex, for example, who goes around beating people (which I don't like) and has no issues killing when it comes to saving her family (which I can kind of understand).

While I blame most of that on their need to establish Mon El as a worthy person whose loss will matter to Kara, and may be having too many storylines, they need to rectify how they handled Lena in Season 3.

Show her to have actual backup plans that go against Kara's. Not the tech-geek psuedo science thing that they keep doing but something that has actual moral implications. Make an arc of it. And have Kara's other support system split on the middle rather than all being against Lena (as in Luthors). I would understand if Alex were all "Lena's right." while James could be "She is a megalomaniac... I see the symptoms." and Winn "But, she is a genius."

However I agree with you that...

Winn has had basically no story in this season apart from getting together with Lyra (and Guardian) and showing Kara how she was wrong in everything from judging Mon El for keeping secrets from her to judging Guardian for being human. He was pretty cool as the White Martian (and I like his friendship with Alex), but we didn't even see an aftermath.

Lena's arc was way better than that. But, not what it could have been.

There is so much potential there though. I hope the writers capitalise on that and forget the temptation of the "Luthor" name as a catch all.

 

[Robert_Anthony]

The Supergirl CW Instagram on this Woman Crush Wednesday honors Katie McGrath aka Lena Luthor

Although I think she was a bit late for that total solar eclipse recently. Fear not though the next solar eclipse over the USA will be, according to NASA on April 8th 2024...which will be a couple of months past my 50th birthday (For the Record of course). This one though will cover the EASTERN US and NYC will have a better spot in the zone of totality, and that would include me here in SW CT. So mark you calendars, folks and plan accordingly.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm randomly re-watching "Luthors" and it's a damn shame they made it so Lillian and Lena aren't blood related. They are like perfect mother/daughter casting, imo. Same nose, eye color and strong jaws/bone structures. They even both have nice authoritative-yet-relaxing speaking voices, lol.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm randomly re-watching "Luthors" and it's a damn shame they made it so Lillian and Lena aren't blood related. They are like perfect mother/daughter casting, imo. Same nose, eye color and strong jaws/bone structures. They even both have nice authoritative-yet-relaxing speaking voices, lol.

Maybe they can retcon it. You should tweet them that they look alike and that it's too coincidental for two strangers who grow up as mother and daughter to share so many facial features. If they eventually cast Lex and he looks completely different, then maybe he's the adopted one!

 

[flickchick85]

LOL, seems unlikely, but I like that you're thinkin' outside the box.

 

[Dr.]

I'm randomly re-watching "Luthors" and it's a damn shame they made it so Lillian and Lena aren't blood related. They are like perfect mother/daughter casting, imo. Same nose, eye color and strong jaws/bone structures. They even both have nice authoritative-yet-relaxing speaking voices, lol.

Except for the height part; Strong is very (6') tall.

 

[Kelly]

Except for the height part; Strong is very (6') tall.

That's for sure...even Melissa is dwarfed by her.

Lillian wore boots that were close to 3 inches + in height.....that put her right there with James in height.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Brenda was always tall, I remember I sweet she was on Desperate Housewives, I never even noticed her height until she was interviewed. They really accentuate it in the show.

 

[flickchick85]

Except for the height part; Strong is very (6') tall.

Yeah, except for that. Although, Lionel seemed pretty short, at least next to Brenda, so it would still work. t:

 

[Brierrose]

Brenda was always tall, I remember I sweet she was on Desperate Housewives, I never even noticed her height until she was interviewed. They really accentuate it in the show.

They accentuate Brenda's height so even though Kara's millions of times stronger she has to look up at Lillian. I heard that when casting Batman for BvS they wanted someone taller than Henry Cavill so Superman would have to look up at Batman. Odette Annabel is listed as 5'9" so she's taller than Melissa but shoes could make a difference with them. I'll bet Odette is put in three+ inch heels that way Reign looms over Supergirl as much as possible.

 

[flickchick85]

 

[flickchick85]

I think someone needs to inform Katie that other iterations of Lena are in fact NOT evil or a villain, because the way she talks about how her "evil" endgame is a foregone conclusion we all know, she seems to genuinely not know that. I mean sure, there's that version where she turned against Supergirl when she found out the truth and helped Lex's plan for a hot minute, but she eventually came back to the good side and directed her anger back at Lex where it belonged. And there was the time she got possessed by Brainiac, but she was a victim there. Usually, Lena is the overlooked member of the Luthor clan BECAUSE she's not evil like them. In fact, one of her first appearances was where Lex asked Superman from prison to help him protect her because she's his innocent sister and didn't deserve to suffer because of him, and they did. And she remained good. If anything, Lena is generally destined to suffer some tragic fate as collateral damage in the Luthor-Super feud (ie, Brainiac possession, paralysis), not "turn evil" because of it.

The only place I've heard of Lena being a villain is that animated DC Superhero Girls show, which is a recent thing, so I hope the writers aren't telling her of this foregone conclusion that she'll be evil and that's just going to be the new canon for the character from now on, as that would suck, imo. Because that's basically taking away the thing that made her the unique member of her family. Just making her story/relationship with Kara a female version of the Lex/Clark one would be doing both a HUGE disservice, imo.

 

[Robert_Anthony]

Apparently Melissa isn't the only one who likes to hang with the kids. Katie has done so too. Look at these pictures from the Instagram of one Mike Allen, whose daughter Zoe got some hang time with Ms. Lena Luthor.

Huge thanks to #katiemcgrath for blowing Zoe’s mind and showing her around @supergirlcw. She can’t stop talking about you. She’s a Lena fan for life.

How cute.

 

[flickchick85]

Um, that set in the background of the first pic looks very interesting. Looks like a spaceship or something.

 

[vantheman77]

Probably the underwater ship that rose up from the ocean.

 

[flickchick85]

Doesn't look like it to me, but maybe I guess.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Lena Luthor more popular than Wonder Woman. At least in regards to the actresses that play the characters.

https://screenrant.com/supergirl-katie-mcgrath-tumblr-popular-actresses-2017/

 

[Kelly]

Lena Luthor more popular than Wonder Woman. At least in regards to the actresses that play the characters.

https://screenrant.com/supergirl-katie-mcgrath-tumblr-popular-actresses-2017/

Tumblr is a hell hole for haters of Supergirl and in turn DC comics....they have congregated there and have a huge block of Supercorp fans who have taken it upon themselves to make sure that Katie McGrath wins every single poll on Tumblr and Twitter that she is in to show that they are right about their love of #Supercorp, and that it should be canon, not just fanon. It isn't really about popularity of those 2 actresses, it is about block voting, which this group is excellent at doing.

 

[flickchick85]

While I agree with your general assessment of tumblr Kelly, just for the record, this was not a poll she won. These statistics were done by Fandometrics, which measures popularity based on mentions, tags, etc. so no block voting could be involved, just an extremely...active fandom, lol.

It IS kinda impressive considering the viewership here is so low compared to so many other fandoms. Those Supercorpers are nothing if not devoted.

 

[Sithborg]

Devoted is one word you could choose...