"Let Your Soul-Glo": The Experience Returns

[Manic]

Same thing with Bobby Caldwell, but Manic has a funnier story than I regarding that matter.

It's about the first time I ever saw the "What You Won't Do for Love" music video. The beginning of the video starts with Bobby standing in the shadows through the first few lines of the song. Then when he stepped out of the shadows to belt out "I came back to let you knoowwww," and I shouted "HOLY ****, HE'S WHITE!"

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

It's about the first time I ever saw the "What You Won't Do for Love" music video. The beginning of the video starts with Bobby standing in the shadows through the first few lines of the song. Then when he stepped out of the shadows to belt out "I came back to let you knoowwww," and I shouted "HOLY ****, HE'S WHITE!"

Well, my ULTIMATE White Soul Brovah Group was not Hall & Oates, although I love them. My DUDEZ were....


I personally think this song ^ is one of the best pop/soul songs ever made. And I do mean EVAH. It won the Record Of The Year Grammy back in '85 or '86. Damn I'm old.

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Don't doubt the Doobie!!!!

 

[AndThePickles]

He can?

He can. I looked up some "unplugged" stuff of his, it was quite good.

..let me guess...he sings pop music?

I haven't heard enough of his solo stuff to know what genre he tends to adhere to. He describes it as "Rock / Soul / Experimental," so I'm interested to hear from him in the future. So far he's just collaborated with hip hop artists.

 

[Bboy]

Some of the finest music to ever go down in history books (at least my history books...) was made back in the day. So much more organic & just real. Not that music today isn't. But it's a lot more predictable, safe yet unrealistic all at the same time (especially with the way studio technology has progressed now).

Back in the day there was no autotune, so basically you sing that take until you get it right & it's in tune! Now that couldn't be more untrue hey. Urgh...

 

[RockSP]

Some of the finest music to ever go down in history books (at least my history books...) was made back in the day. So much more organic & just real. Not that music today isn't. But it's a lot more predictable, safe yet unrealistic all at the same time (especially with the way studio technology has progressed now).

Actually music today isn't.

Not all of it of course but it a whole lot of it is I feel sorry for these kids. I actually had someone on youtube argue with me that Kanye West is a good singer. Not rapper (he isn't even great at doing that), but singer.

 

[Bboy]

Actually music today isn't.

Not all of it of course but it a whole lot of it is I feel sorry for these kids. I actually had someone on youtube argue with me that Kanye West is a good singer. Not rapper (he isn't even great at doing that), but singer.

Wow! Haha. I know what you mean... You don't think Kanye is a good rapper? I think he's pretty good. Excellent writer & producer as well.

 

[RockSP]

Kanye's okay. Better producer than rapper.

 

[Manic]

Kanye's ghost writer is pretty damn good.

 

[AndThePickles]

lolol

 

[Bboy]

I know for a fact that he's a great writer hey. Whether or not he also uses ghost writers... I can't answer that.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

Don't worry people I'm back.I know you all missed me.lol

 

[Manic]

I'm convinced Kanye isn't writing his own stuff. For his debut album, he had one cliche 'hoes & cash' song ("Breathe In, Breathe Out), and it was meant to be ironic.

A couple of albums later, he's churning out singles like "Good Life."

 

[Incrediblejeff]

I may be alone in this opinion,but I thought Kanye's best album was 808's.Either that or Late Registration.

 

[RockSP]

I'm convinced Kanye isn't writing his own stuff. "

Consequence ghostwrites for him, IMO. They sound so similar on songs they do together. Plus Cons doesn't seem too pressed about his "background status" in Kanye's clique. No need to be when you're getting $$$ without having to do all the press and #$%@...

 

[Bboy]

I'm convinced Kanye isn't writing his own stuff. For his debut album, he had one cliche 'hoes & cash' song ("Breathe In, Breathe Out), and it was meant to be ironic.

A couple of albums later, he's churning out singles like "Good Life."

So what you're basically saying in a nutshell is that songwriters should just be writing the same song with a different title for the rest of their careers?

I can't tell you how different my music is now than just one year, even 6 months, ago! You get inspired by different things all the time hey. And just with life, how you sing, how you write, how you interpret - it all changes...

So just because someone puts out songs that are sonically and lyrically different to what they put out a few years back, it's not a fair basis to accuse someone of plagarism hey.

 

[chamber-music]

Rhymefest co-wrote Jesus Walks for Kanye.

Speaking of Rhymefest whatever happened to that guy. I remember liking his album Blue Collar.

Also remember that guy A+ with that song 'enjoy yourself'

 

[Manic]

So what you're basically saying in a nutshell is that songwriters should just be writing the same song with a different title for the rest of their careers?

I can't tell you how different my music is now than just one year, even 6 months, ago! You get inspired by different things all the time hey. And just with life, how you sing, how you write, how you interpret - it all changes...

So just because someone puts out songs that are sonically and lyrically different to what they put out a few years back, it's not a fair basis to accuse someone of plagarism hey.

I'm sorry, allow me to rephrase using a different song from his first album...


"All Falls Down" - People who go out and buy extravagant stuff and do nothing bur brag about it are self-conscious, insecure, and have become slaves to materialism.

"Good Life" - Hey, everyone! Listen to how much extravagant s*** I have!



Writing different types of songs is fine. Just don't make your fame trying to convey a positive message that's meant to make people think, and then contradict yourself.

 

[AndThePickles]

His first album was his best, and I saw him perform as the opening act for Usher back in the day. He seemed very normal onstage, and gave a great performance without being crazy and flashy. Then Kanye fell victim to the moneys

 

[Bboy]

I'm sorry, allow me to rephrase using a different song from his first album...


"All Falls Down" - People who go out and buy extravagant stuff and do nothing bur brag about it are self-conscious, insecure, and have become slaves to materialism.

"Good Life" - Hey, everyone! Listen to how much extravagant s*** I have!



Writing different types of songs is fine. Just don't make your fame trying to convey a positive message that's meant to make people think, and then contradict yourself.

"All Falls Down" is more than 6 years old...

We contradict ourselves in life as is.

Not only that, but the things we stand for in life (our views, convictions etc) sometimes can change completely due to different experiences, disappointment, maybe allowing ourselves to influenced, whatever etc. The list could go on & on...

Either way, Kanye is clearly in a different space now than when he was first starting out hey. It still doesn't mean he couldn't have written both songs. I'm actually not even really a fan personally, I'm just speaking more from a songwriter's perspective & in defense of artistic license.

It's not that black & white hey.

What we write about reflects where we're at in life. If you're 100% still the same person now that you were 6 years ago, then good on ya mate. Not everyone is that unaffected though. Just food for thought, no disrespect.

 

[Manic]

So Kanye probably wrote both songs, but changed into the very person he once mocked?

I can believe that.

 

[Wylie Times]

Kanye should listen to Deception by Blackalicious.

 

[Bboy]

Maybe, maybe not. But it happens. No one's perfect, we all have flaws & we all go through some things. Some people just handle those things better than others hey. I'm sure everyone here knows someone, whether a mate or a family member, who is an example of that.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

I don't understand why people always want artists to go back to the style of their first album I say let an artist evolve,and try some new things.

 

[terry78]

Any concert where they play stuff off their new ****, the crowd is like, "play *insert old song here*!"

 

[Incrediblejeff]

Any concert where they play stuff off their new ****, the crowd is like, "play *insert old song here*!"

I could understand that concerts should be like greatest hits albums,a mix of old with some new thrown in.Just don't wait too long to play some of the old stuff.People could get restless.
I remember seeing Gym Class Heroes live,and being sort of upset they ain't do nothing old.I paid to hear papercuts damn it.