BvS New Positivity Thread (READ THE FIRST POST!)

[OutOfBoose]

I am nervously counting the days til April 11th. After that, if Snyder is still on board, everything else is white noise to me.

Agree. I want Snyder to continue.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I think Grace makes some valid points. And I usually disagree with her. I believe, many people will realize their mistake in time... The film got into perfect storm. And let's wait and see the Ultimate cut. They released one scene and it already explains why Lex is so ****ed up in the end. And how he was arrested. I saw people having problems with it.

 

[morningmimosa]

then he saw Superman at his mercy, who begged not for his own life, but for life of his mother, human.

Great point. And to think that so many people think they end the fight just because their moms share the same name, I can't even. And no, it's not "sloppy execution".

 

[Matt]

There's a lot of good points in there, namely I remember reading that DC didn't really play ball with the press too much, sort of secretive and keeping to themselves. The other point about the click centric, "I don't like this so the whole movie's crap" is definitely true.

So many reviews for BvS, just read the headline, like The Film Stage in that video "BvS made 27.7 million on midnight, obviously a lot of you didn't read our review", click baity headlines and titles, reviews reduced to snarky sound bites, not bothering to see beneath the surface, it's either great or terrible (an that's not just the press).

Anyway, finishing up the video, thanks Jumpman, this is a good find.

And Matt, before you come in here and accuse me of anything, I'm not calling anyone a hater, or anything, it's cool that some people legit didn't like it, but there's a lot more at play here. It's all about perception.

You're missing my point. This thread is not the place for you to come and discuss conspiracies as to why people dislike the movie, to justify and explain away all of the bad things people are saying. Why am I taking this hard stance? Because when we go down that road, it leads to things like this:

Grace Randolph had a fascinating YouTube discussion about what's going on behind the scenes. Worth checking out. My biggest takeaway, Poni_Boy's agenda makes even more sense after watching the video.

I suggest everyone seek out that 18 minute video. It illuminates some things I've been suspecting for years.

subtle little jabs about a poster having some nefarious agenda. Then it becomes what the old thread was, a safe haven to talk **** on people who dislike the movie.

Unfortunately, Tim, you don't see to get that. In fact, you don't seem capable of posting without being defensive. As such, I am now going to ask you to leave this thread and not post in it again. Since you clearly want to have the debate, feel free to have it in the rest of the forum, rather than trying to have it in the safety of a thread in which no one can contradict you. So yes, in the name of keeping this thread open and not getting it closed again, I am telling you to leave it, Tim. Thank you.

Jumpman, I am warning you, since as far as I can tell this is your first offense in this thread. Re-read the original post. This is not the place for that type of behavior, especially singling out another user (which is way across the line).

And I suggest that everyone get back on topic. This is a place to talk about what you liked about the movie and why you liked it. It is not a place to talk about the critic conspiracy, how critics and haters just dislike Snyder, Disney's involvement, or anything else.

 

[Matt]

Read. The. Above. Post.

 

[Consona]

Great point. And to think that so many people think they end the fight just because their moms share the same name, I can't even. And no, it's not "sloppy execution".

Yea. IMO, Snyder's execution was great. You can see and hear all those important things to interpret what's going on. That there's much more going on there than just "same name".

And it was so emotional too, so I think Snyder did his job exceptionally well here.

 

[hildenburg]

So, the review by Brett Culp (Batman v Superman: How I surprised myself & fell in love with this film) managed to reach Ray Fisher. Do you think he will share it with Zack and the rest of the cast?

 

[Consona]

So, the review by Brett Culp (Batman v Superman: How I surprised myself & fell in love with this film) managed to reach Ray Fisher. Do you think he will share it with Zack and the rest of the cast?

It's touching and I agree with the things he says at the start of the video. But on the other hand he makes the film look stupid, because "it's just the same name why they stop fighting", which IMO makes the film look really simplistic and nonsensical.

 

[AnneFan]

Opinions are a mighty fine thing. Just because someone doesn't like how a certain plot point is handled, doesn't make it terrible for someone else. That's how tastes are.

 

[Consona]

Mr Sunday Movies review

[YT]https://youtu.be/wc2V9qEEzF4[/YT]
and again, "it's just the same name why they stop fighting = WTF" t:

 

[Jumpman]

The score has grown exponentially in my eyes. It is wonderful. Not as good as Zimmer's MAN OF STEEL but quite close.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Superman stopped fighting because he was unable to defend himself and was terribly weakened. He lost. Not because his mother has the same name with Bruce's.

 

[Forever Evil]

The score has grown exponentially in my eyes. It is wonderful. Not as good as Zimmer's MAN OF STEEL but quite close.

I'm one of the few that like the BvS score more. Bought the deluxe edition CD last week and been listening to it non stop!

 

[hildenburg]

It's touching and I agree with the things he says at the start of the video. But on the other hand he makes the film look stupid, because "it's just the same name why they stop fighting", which IMO makes the film look really simplistic and nonsensical.

It's not just that both their mothers have the same name. There's a deeper meaning to it. Bruce realizes that, while Superman is not from earth, he's not really an alien to be feared. He realizes that there's humanity within him. He realizes that, by saving his mother, he'll save him from the darkness he (Bruce) experienced when his parents were killed.

If you read the scene from a superficial level it might appear simplistic and even stupid, but there's more to it than meets the eye.

 

[Consona]

It's not just that both their mothers have the same name. There's a deeper meaning to it. Bruce realizes that, while Superman is not from earth, he's not really an alien to be feared. He realizes that there's humanity within him. He realizes that, by saving his mother, he'll save him from the darkness he (Bruce) experienced when his parents were killed.

If you read the scene from a superficial level it might appear simplistic and even stupid, but there's more to it than meets the eye.

But that's what I'm saying! t:

 

[KseRick19]

The score has grown exponentially in my eyes. It is wonderful. Not as good as Zimmer's MAN OF STEEL but quite close.

I'd have to put them in a tie with eachother. I think both are great.

 

[WoodyROM]

But that's what I'm saying! t:

And I think that's what he was saying in the video. It is something as simple as a name, but it is profound in the effect that it has on them both. That's how I took it at least.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I like both soundtracks, Superman's theme is godlike (pun intended). But I can't get over how tribal and bombastic JL theme is. How foreboding and powerful Batman theme is. And, I don't know, maybe I'm in minority, but I LOVE Lex's theme.

 

[Forever Evil]

I like both soundtracks, Superman's theme is godlike (pun intended). But I can't get over how tribal and bombastic JL theme is. How foreboding and powerful Batman theme is. And, I don't know, maybe I'm in minority, but I LOVE Lex's theme.

Certain not. Lex's theme is deliciously evil. Love it too.

 

[Longshot777]

On more positive news the Poll on the main page of SuperHeroHype has become 10/10 surpassing 0/10. Plus there are more 8/10 and 9/10 also...so if you add up all those then most fans really like it more than they hate it.

The fans have spoken.

 

[ZIPBAGS]

The movie did 15 million on Monday...More than Furious...less than Deadpool. But, a very good showing for a Monday.

I saw the poll on the main page. Honestly, giving the movie 0 out of 10 is nothing but spite. Even if I disliked the movie with whatever flaws people are complaining about. Their are just too many cool things that would prevent giving such a low score.

 

[Greeneyes]

I've seen people write similar things elsewhere, and I agree, but I feel like a lot of people seem to have missed an essential point: the name "Martha" didn't make Batman realize that Superman was "a good guy because he had a mother with the same name," but slowed Batman down enough to realize that the Batman-Superman conflict had been entirely orchestrated by Luthor.

Yes, Bruce was clearly angry at the end of the Zod-Superman fight--and understandably so. But Luthor manipulated him and stoked that anger until it consumed him entirely. So when he was able to take a step back, see that Luthor had manipulated him for almost 2 full years since those events, and rethink Superman's character outside of what Lex had done to manipulate him--at that moment, he was able to realize that Superman was not the enemy.

The name "Martha" was the catalyst. Not the entire cause of his reversal of opinion toward Superman.

That, to me, was both really powerful and plausible, and I applaud the story for that level of sophistication.

Yep, good post routhman

This type of comment should be posted all over the interwebs...

 

[Tra-El]

What is so, so beautiful about the Martha scene, is how Bruce kind of feels reborn; validated by the chance at making a difference this time around.

That little boy who lost his parents in that dark alley that night couldn't have done anything about his parents death in front of his eyes. It was his fate to witness that while in turn, it was his fate to become the Batman.

To be able to save Superman's mother this time around brought Bruce right back to that dark alley that night and this time, he saved Martha from dieing. I don't want to say by living through Superman's mother is a closed chapter on Bruce's life, but it earned him a different heartbeat in the moment of what was needed for Bruce to continue fighting the good fight for Truth and Justice and more importantly, to feel love again.

It was an unbelievably beautiful scene to me. It tugged at my heart like no other and gets better and better with every viewing. I've never, ever felt something so strong about Batman before. That moment made me painfully realize, for the first time, that he was a little boy at one time also. Just good stuff for me! One that connected in emotional waves.

 

[craigdbfan]

Well said dude. That whole scene was filled with passion and rebirth.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Well-said, Tra-El. I also absolutely loved Martha's rescue. It's like it flipped the switch on Batman and we saw our hero again "out of shadows" so to speak.

Not that I didn't enjoy cruel Batman, and bitter Bruce Wayne, but that scene felt invigorating AF.