BvS New Positivity Thread (READ THE FIRST POST!)

[DeadStroke]

What is so, so beautiful about the Martha scene, is how Bruce kind of feels reborn; validated by the chance at making a difference this time around.

That little boy who lost his parents in that dark alley that night couldn't have done anything about his parents death in front of his eyes. It was his fate to witness that while in turn, it was his fate to become the Batman.

To be able to save Superman's mother this time around brought Bruce right back to that dark alley that night and this time, he saved Martha from dieing. I don't want to say by living through Superman's mother is a closed chapter on Bruce's life, but it earned him a different heartbeat in the moment of what was needed for Bruce to continue fighting the good fight for Truth and Justice and more importantly, to feel love again.

It was an unbelievably beautiful scene to me. It tugged at my heart like no other and gets better and better with every viewing. I've never, ever felt something so strong about Batman before. That moment made me painfully realize, for the first time, that he was a little boy at one time also. Just good stuff for me! One that connected in emotional waves.

Brett Culp pointed that in his video.

How, that wasn't our Batman for most of the movie. However, when he has the chance to save Martha he suddenly becomes Batman all over again. Just like the "Rising" from the cave this was another moment that allowed him to rise.

[YT]watch?v=rKRmMQaLZz8[/YT]

 

[SiegePerilous]

Well-said, Tra-El. I also absolutely loved Martha's rescue. It's like it flipped the switch on Batman and we saw our hero again "out of shadows" so to speak.

Not that I didn't enjoy cruel Batman, and bitter Bruce Wayne, but that scene felt invigorating AF.

Agreed. I don't think the scene of him saving Martha would have been so effective had we not gone through Bruce's darkest hour during the rest of the movie. It really felt earned.

 

[Legendver2]

I like both soundtracks, Superman's theme is godlike (pun intended). But I can't get over how tribal and bombastic JL theme is. How foreboding and powerful Batman theme is. And, I don't know, maybe I'm in minority, but I LOVE Lex's theme.

Which track would be considered the JL theme?

 

[SuperAl]

Brett Culp pointed that in his video.

How, that wasn't our Batman for most of the movie. However, when he has the chance to save Martha he suddenly becomes Batman all over again. Just like the "Rising" from the cave this was another moment that allowed him to rise.

[YT]watch?v=rKRmMQaLZz8[/YT]

That was a kinda cringy video. I'm not sure if he is being genuine or if hes just trying to push his new documentary.

Regardless, i liked a lot of stuff in the movie, the editing just needed some work. I am looking forward to the extended cut.

 

[Consona]

Agreed. I don't think the scene of him saving Martha would have been so effective had we not gone through Bruce's darkest hour during the rest of the movie. It really felt earned.

Yea, I think cruel Batman worked because of this rise and "rebirth".

This brutal Batman has its purpose in the film. The creators understand the character and this actually makes him deeper in some way. This rebirth is intensified when he does not brand Lex in the prison, which he would not have problem doing before the mental switch.

 

[Da-Scribe]

That was a kinda cringy video. I'm not sure if he is being genuine or if hes just trying to push his new documentary.

Regardless, i liked a lot of stuff in the movie, the editing just needed some work. I am looking forward to the extended cut.

If he were trying to push his new doc, he'd have had an easier time going negative. I think the guy just deeply loves superheroes.

 

[Legendver2]

Love hearing all the interpretations and discovering of hidden and subtle themes. Who knew Snyder could tell such a multi-layered narrative.

 

[Mad Ones]

Since this is the Positivity Thread, I'll only contribute on that aspect for this post.

Personally, I LOVED the montage shown of Superman's rescues throughout the world as you saw people debating about his existence and what he means to the world.

Unlike some films that just go about doing these types of rescue montages in a campy/fun nature way, I liked the gravitas that this montage brought to the film....showing on how much of a burden being Superman could be.

I never got the impression that Clark felt reluctant to be saving people in this (or any sequence). Rather than that, I felt like they were trying to show on much of a huge burden Clark has on his shoulders (which he's fully aware of and still willing to bear).

I also loved the intimacy present between Lois and Clark/Superman in this film.

I was actually surprised that Snyder was even capable of presenting a couple like this in one of his films considering on how most of his fictional couples from his previous films are more about the sexual aspects of their relationships.

The bathtub scene was done with class and didn't feel like a tasteless love scene. And the look between Superman and Lois as he caught her from being pushed off of Lexcorp was splendid. I also love the music that Hans has orchestrated specifically for the couple.

See, I am capable of liking parts of this film.lol

I agree 100% with this post. You mentioned my favourite parts of the movie.

 

[SiegePerilous]

Yea, I think cruel Batman worked because of this rise and "rebirth".

This brutal Batman has its purpose in the film. The creators understand the character and this actually makes him deeper in some way. This rebirth is intensified when he does not brand Lex in the prison, which he would not have problem doing before the mental switch.

I found this Batman far deeper than most because his paranoia, xenophobia and brutality are clearly presented as negatives. He's dehumanizing Clark, and it's treated appropriately: even Bruce is disgusted with himself by the end of it. Compare this to the Bat-Jerk of many post-Crisis comics, whose paranoia never seems to go away and who labels the teenage Superboy as "the clone" instead of treating him like a person. Or who generally prioritizes the lives of humans instead of other sentient beings. He flipped on Diana for killing the human Maxwell Lord, but didn't have anything negative to say when she beheaded Medusa because the latter didn't look human.

People are saying that Affleck should have stepped in to prevent some of this characterization, but I'm not so sure he would have if he could. Deconstructing these distasteful aspects of Batman's character (many of which, barring the killing for some reason, are held up by many fans as being the reason Batman is so cool) and rebuilding him as a more noble figure seems like something Ben would want to do.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Which track would be considered the JL theme?

Is She With You. Because it played even during clips of other JL members.

 

[Legendver2]

Is She With You. Because it played even during clips of other JL members.

I always thought that was meant to be WW's theme, since she's the one watching the clips and it played during her battle debut.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I always thought that was meant to be WW's theme, since she's the one watching the clips and it played during her battle debut.

I'm perfectly fine if it's her theme. Or just here theme in this film only.

 

[Legendver2]

I found this Batman far deeper than most because his paranoia, xenophobia and brutality are clearly presented as negatives. He's dehumanizing Clark, and it's treated appropriately: even Bruce is disgusted with himself by the end of it. Compare this to the Bat-Jerk of many post-Crisis comics, whose paranoia never seems to go away and who labels the teenage Superboy as "the clone" instead of treating him like a person. Or who generally prioritizes the lives of humans instead of other sentient beings. He flipped on Diana for killing the human Maxwell Lord, but didn't have anything negative to say when she beheaded Medusa because the latter didn't look human.

People are saying that Affleck should have stepped in to prevent some of this characterization, but I'm not so sure he would have if he could. Deconstructing these distasteful aspects of Batman's character (many of which, barring the killing for some reason, are held up by many fans as being the reason Batman is so cool) and rebuilding him as a more noble figure seems like something Ben would want to do.

"I failed him in life, I won't fail him in death."

That quote pretty much sums up Bruce's transformation. Beautiful.

 

[Aejej]

Brand new review, posted today.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...-batman-v-superman-is-fantastic/#6d22d9cb1cc5

Still others mourn the lack of color in the film, calling it a dreary “slog” with “forgettable fight scenes.”

This surprises me even more than cries of sexism and uncool politics. If nothing else, the fight scenes in Batman v. Superman are simply outstanding. They have a heft and straightforwardness to them that’s captivating in a way few superhero films manage. Though the films barely resemble one another, and the fights are quite different, there’s something about the film that reminds me of the frankness of John Wick’s violence. It’s mesmerizing and brutal watching Batman beat Superman to within an inch of his life, or see the Dark Knight take out a mob of enemies one by one as he scrambles to save Clark Kent’s mother from death-by-flamethrower. Perhaps my least favorite fight sequence is between Batman, Wonder Woman, Superman and the giant Doomsday. But even that larger than life, CGI-strewn sequence was enormously entertaining.

 

[Consona]

The cruel Batman is a juxtaposition to the Batman at the end of the film, it's about his inner journey from angry and broken man to former Batman with more integrity, because "Men are still good", which is uttered by Batman, not Superman!* Because Batman at the end of film is not that cruel Batman from the beginning. He's restoted by all those things that happened during the film.

* Superman was actually the one who tried to convinced himself that "No one stays good in this world." and he was transformed by the events of this film too. I loved they actually interchanged their rhetorics! Batman talking about good men and Superman about no one staying good.

Just another example of a very good writing you can find in this film...

 

[TripleJ]

Folks just wanted to say goodbye, not that I won't be back but I'm done talking regularly in the BvS forums for many reasons. See you around and I'll probably post in that JL forum eventually. Take care folks been a fun ride (for the most part)

Well, hope to see you around in JL forums

 

[lukebrodyg]

I always thought that was meant to be WW's theme, since she's the one watching the clips and it played during her battle debut.

I'd like to know too.

The music, or more specifically the crescendo when Doomsday is defeated is pure greatness!

What track is that, by the way?

 

[kalelvis]

A nice touch that I really loved in the movie was the use of the sound pulse from the world engine gravity beam that can be heard at the beginning and end of all of Bruce's nightmares. It gives a clear picture of just how traumatized he was by the black zero event.

 

[JTStarkiller]

I'd like to know too.

The music, or more specifically the crescendo when Doomsday is defeated is pure greatness!

What track is that, by the way?

"This is My World."

 

[hildenburg]

Just found a very interesting essay about the movie.

Batman v Superman: the modern revenge tragedy.

 

[LamboMan]

I really appreciate this thread and now that I've seen the movie I am liking going through people's points of view to get all the themes, hidden meanings, good stuff that I may not have seen for myself in my first viewing.

This will make my second viewing a whole lot better, thanks people!

Just to add my 2 cents, I did really like this movie but was a bit disappointed by some things so I'm glad to have this thread to ready me up with positivity for my second viewing.

 

[lukebrodyg]

"This is My World."

Why thank you!

 

[Tensor]

The entire "Is She With You" track has themes of the Trinity mixed in, beginning clearly with Wonder Woman's entry and theme.

The electric cello riff is Wonder Woman's theme. We also hear it during Bruce's discovery of Diana's 1918 photo and then the metahuman revelation Diana happens to have.

There's also an exotic violin variant of the same riff that plays when she's being the mysterious woman at the party: When Bruce finds out the drive has been stolen and then looks at Diana on the other side of the door, that exotic variant plays in the background.

 

[antoineflemming]

Brand new review, posted today.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...-batman-v-superman-is-fantastic/#6d22d9cb1cc5

That was a really good review.

 

[Jumpman]

Just found a very interesting essay about the movie.

Batman v Superman: the modern revenge tragedy.

This essay is so damn good and so on point, it's not even funny. A lot of the observations mirror my own.

This **** is the truth. Thank you for linking this!