The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!! - Part 1

[Mr. Earle]

Both of these "answers" amount to, "because that's the way it is and has been for 70 years", which only succeeds in creating an endless loop of questions and non-answers. It's pretty much like restating the question.

Just like Nolan respected Batman's 70 year old design and didnt say... remove the cape or cover his mouth for practicality, he could respect Robin's and adapt him as he is, with some pads for teh realism of course.

Ok. So why does he choose that specifically?

His suit derives from his circus outfit. He is honouring the memory of his parents.

I don't really understand the whole nickname thing. It just raises the question of the origin of the nickname. Why would he be associated with a robin, instead of an eagle or something?

"Why did Thomas and Martha call their son Bruce? Couldnt they call him James or something? Who calls their son that?"
See what i did there?

I haven't seen the show, so no comment. As for adding the laugh, doesn't that make it kind of pointless? Isn't the whole point that by the time you see that Batman has disappeared, he's already gone?

His laugh comes once he's disappeared but you cant place it, so its like a ghost laughing at you. Its creepy. You can hear it at the start of this video when he laughs before he appears. I dig his suit btw.

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[Mr. Earle]

But Catwoman has been an ally many times to Batman. Even before Hush. I like her better as a villain, or trouble maker for Batman, but she has had her fair share of being a goodie stories.

She's only been an ally in recent years, and not a stable one at that. She comes and goes as she pleases. Robin is the ally, the pupil, the successor.

 

[The Joker]

She's only been an ally in recent years, and not a stable one at that. She comes and goes as she pleases.

She does as she pleases, but that doesn't negate the fact she has been an ally many, many times. And not just in recent years, there was a lot of it in the 80's, too. Especially when she and Batman were getting cozy together.

 

[weezerspider]

Nolan........add RoBEN!

Seriously though, its not even about the realism. This is supposed to be the first few years of Batman's career. I don't know what the official cannon is, but I honestly think Bruce should be Batman for atleast like 5 years before he takes Robin in. I mean, he's still learning how to be Batman in Nolan's series. BB was obvious, but even TDK, we saw Bruce learning more what its like to be Batman and learning his limits. He doesn't need to be teaching a new crime fighter when hes still not even comfortable being a crime fighter yet.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Just like Nolan respected Batman's 70 year old design and didnt say... remove the cape or cover his mouth for practicality, he could respect Robin's and adapt him as he is, with some pads for teh realism of course.

I think that he would at least have to justify his costume design, like he did with Batman.

His suit derives from his circus outfit. He is honouring the memory of his parents.

You mean the original outfit that has no place in a crimefighter's wardrobe and lead to too many gay jokes to count?

His laugh comes once he's disappeared but you cant place it, so its like a ghost laughing at you. Its creepy.
You can hear it at the start of this video when he laughs before he appears. I dig his suit btw.

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Cool suit. As for the topic of Dick Grayson, I like the idea of Batman training Dick Grayson, with hopes of him succeeding him as Batman when he retires or as Nightwing, but I can do without him as Robin.

She's only been an ally in recent years, and not a stable one at that. She comes and goes as she pleases. Robin is the ally, the pupil, the successor.

To Batman, she can be a good ally, but she makes a better piece of ass. Or would a 'piece of tail' be more appropriate?

She does as she pleases, but that doesn't negate the fact she has been an ally many, many times. And not just in recent years, there was a lot of it in the 80's, too. Especially when she and Batman were getting cozy together.

Agreed. She does what is in her best interest, whether it be working with Batman or against him depending on her objectives.

 

[Unmasked]

I can live with the possibility of Dick Grayson (JGL!) working as Batman's assistant if Alfred gets sick or too old or something like that (not just butler, but assistant), but without any clear mention of him helping Batman fight crime or replacing him later, while leaving the door open

 

[Godzilla2014]

I can live with the possibility of Dick Grayson (JGL!) working as Batman's assistant if Alfred gets sick or too old or something like that (not just butler, but assistant), but without any clear mention of him helping Batman fight crime or replacing him later, while leaving the door open

Usually, Dick Grayson is introduced as a child, when his parents are murdered, so JGL is too ****ing old to play Dick at the moment.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Regarding Robin's outfit.

I always thought it was slightly odd that his costume IS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE THE CIRCUS OUTFIT OF THE FLYING GRAYSONS AND NO ONE SEEMS TO NOTICE!!!! If that happened in the movie world,you can expect little schemers like Coleman Reese or even people of lesser intelligence to put 2 and 2 together and make 4.

 

[Bats]

But if you've ever gone to the circus, do you automatically recall what some acrobats wore? And relate it to a costumed crimefighter that's probably not even seen real good (photographs, etc.)?

 

[Rodrigo90]

Well after so many years the notion of deduction has worn off.

But look at this way. Say they make a movie with Robin someday.

There will understandably be a storyline where his parents are killed and it will be fresh in the minds of the public. Then a costumed kid comes along fighting crime with Batman,wearing an outfit that will obviously bear reference to the Flying Graysons outfits.

I think if the writer of the movie is smart,he will find a way to avert that problem.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Well after so many years the notion of deduction has worn off.

But look at this way. Say they make a movie with Robin someday.

There will understandably be a storyline where his parents are killed and it will be fresh in the minds of the public. Then a costumed kid comes along fighting crime with Batman,wearing an outfit that will obviously bear reference to the Flying Graysons outfits.

I think if the writer of the movie is smart,he will find a way to avert that problem.

I would say, dump the circus outfit and replace it with body armor.

 

[weezerspider]

Well after so many years the notion of deduction has worn off.

But look at this way. Say they make a movie with Robin someday.

There will understandably be a storyline where his parents are killed and it will be fresh in the minds of the public. Then a costumed kid comes along fighting crime with Batman,wearing an outfit that will obviously bear reference to the Flying Graysons outfits.

I think if the writer of the movie is smart,he will find a way to avert that problem.

I'm not much of a fan of Robin, but this one is an easy fix. Simply have the Flying Graysons wear something completely different and let Robin create his iconic suit in the batcave. Maybe the Flying Grayson's wear an all Green suit and Robin adds Red...for their blood? I don't know, but that problem could easily be solved with a good writer.

 

[DarKJediKnight]

Well, I disagree about them being inseparable. Many of my favorite Batman stories in comics, film, and animation don't have Robin in them, so I have no problem with excluding him. What place does Robin have in gritty crime dramas like the Nolan Batman films?

This is a pointless assumption, since Nolan has already stated that he won't bring Robin in his story. BUT, it isn't also hard to imagine Robin existing in a gritty crime drama world that Nolan created. Just widen your imagination. Think.

 

[Godzilla2014]

This is a pointless assumption, since Nolan has already stated that he won't bring Robin in his story. BUT, it isn't also hard to imagine Robin existing in a gritty crime drama world that Nolan created. Just widen your imagination. Think.

Well, that was why I said like the Nolan Batman films. Frank Miller's Batman: Year One is also in that vein. Anyway, do you THE DARK KNIGHT would have worked as well as a crime drama if Batman had a junior sidekick running around with him? I generally prefer Batman either working alone or with adult partners, like Nightwing.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

In the post-Nolan franchise, I think I'd like to see the character of Robin done justice on the silver screen.

 

[Lord]

They should introduce Dick Grayson and as the films progressed he would learn of the Batman and join him, he doesn't have to be a crime fighter that soon, for example, he could be introduced with 15 years old and only help bruce the same way Lucius did in the dark knight, he could only become Robin when he's like 18 ot 19, during that time Bruce should teach him.

 

[craigdbfan]

What if Nolan gave us a Dick Grayson type of character played by Levitt?

Chances are 0% but I would like seeing everyones reaction, it would be priceless..

Although thats nothing more than a dream.

As for the reboot, Michael Fassbender would make a great Bruce Wayne for the WB "reinvention/reboot" film. That'd be kick ass.

 

[dusk20]

Why not just introduce Dick as a 17 year old Robin. He doesn't have to be a young kid like in the comics, after all, it's a different canon.

 

[Mr. Earle]

You mean the original outfit that has no place in a crimefighter's wardrobe and lead to too many gay jokes to count?

The Robin suit has been redesigned countless times over the years. They could easily use the Young Justice suit which is badass if you ask me.

Cool suit. As for the topic of Dick Grayson, I like the idea of Batman training Dick Grayson, with hopes of him succeeding him as Batman when he retires or as Nightwing, but I can do without him as Robin.

To each his own. You should know though that Nightwing isnt Batman's sidekick, he is his own man. Robin is the sidekick and he's always been a kid.

Agreed. She does what is in her best interest, whether it be working with Batman or against him depending on her objectives.

Therefore she cant be his true ally. Even if she was, she could never offer the same things as Robin. He is his surrogate son, she is his girlfriend or what have you.

Regarding Robin's outfit.

I always thought it was slightly odd that his costume IS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE THE CIRCUS OUTFIT OF THE FLYING GRAYSONS AND NO ONE SEEMS TO NOTICE!!!! If that happened in the movie world,you can expect little schemers like Coleman Reese or even people of lesser intelligence to put 2 and 2 together and make 4.

Its almost as silly as conceiling your identity with a pair of glasses, but i know you re all going to watch the new Superman movie.

In any case they could use the classic robin suit with the scaled panties as his stage suit (to pay tribute to his original design) and give him a more modern suit for his crimefighting career. I'd go with something like Tim's red and green one. Dick's suit should be cheesy and bright, reflecting his character.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I would say, dump the circus outfit and replace it with body armor.

No offense, but i would say, dump the superhero movies and go watch a realistic cop movie if that's what you re looking for.

Seriously man.

Well, that was why I said like the Nolan Batman films. Frank Miller's Batman: Year One is also in that vein. Anyway, do you THE DARK KNIGHT would have worked as well as a crime drama if Batman had a junior sidekick running around with him? I generally prefer Batman either working alone or with adult partners, like Nightwing.

There have been countless crime drama batman stories with Robin, although you might be right, Robin could have thrown out that atmosphere in TDK.

That said, Begins felt less of a crime drama and more of a superhero story, and that's the kind of movie i'd like, and the kind of movie that Robin would fit in.

What if Nolan gave us a Dick Grayson type of character played by Levitt?

Chances are 0% but I would like seeing everyones reaction, it would be priceless..

Although thats nothing more than a dream.

As for the reboot, Michael Fassbender would make a great Bruce Wayne for the WB "reinvention/reboot" film. That'd be kick ass.

Good actor but he doesnt look the part... at all!

 

[craigdbfan]

I think he looks enough that he could still pass as Dick Grayson far better than forgettable guy who played Robin in the Schumacher atrocities.

He can also act and is actually in pretty good shape and is very lean in body type. He's more than suitable. Dark brown hair with hazel eyes (I guess thats the only non canon part) but I guess Christian Bale fails that too.

I mean other than getting caught in up in semantics Levitt qualifies to play some sort of much older Dick Grayson I think.

But hey its not going to happen so its just a big pipe dream. For TDKR at least.

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[Mr. Earle]

I was talking about Fassbender. As for JGL, he is too old for it. I mean come on now!

 

[AnorexicBatman]

You could play up a real nice call back by essentially having Bruce be Ras Al Ghul to Dick's Batman. In the ANOREXIC-VERSE he would start off as a proto Oracle. Batman gets in trouble, Dick rushes to help him. He is successful but gets badly beaten up. Of course Bruce is incredibly pissed off and Dick decides to leave and Alferd convinces Bruce to stop him because Dick is very similar to young Bruce and would end up on the wrong path

My Robin (named after ROBIN HOOD!! Learn some culture) would be combination of Dick Grayson & Tim Drake. I'd also give him his own set of gadgets (like flashbangs & gas pellets) complete with a nice martial arts Bo staff.

Robin is good for backup and distraction while Dick Grayson keeps Bruce sane along with Alferd

I wouldn't go the Flying Grayson's route either. Rather his parents are former stunt performers but are now very poor and living in the Narrows. Obviously they get killed. I had this whole idea where he tries to go all KICK ASS on them but gets beaten to an inch of his life. By sheer coincidence Batman saves him and the cover is that Bruce did it to look all heroic.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I think that he would at least have to justify his costume design, like he did with Batman.

The colours display total confidence. It shows that even a child, is not scared of you. A man. With a gun. It shows he has nothing to lose, and cannot be scared, unlike you.

You mean the original outfit that has no place in a crimefighter's wardrobe and lead to too many gay jokes to count?

Actually, the source of the gay jokes is because several psychologists thought that Bruce Wayne was a homosexual and that he was grooming his young friend Dick Grayson. Not, because of Dick Grayson's suit.

Cool suit. As for the topic of Dick Grayson, I like the idea of Batman training Dick Grayson, with hopes of him succeeding him as Batman when he retires or as Nightwing, but I can do without him as Robin.

Then you completely misunderstand the character. And Batman after Dick was introduced.

To Batman, she can be a good ally, but she makes a better piece of ass. Or would a 'piece of tail' be more appropriate?

Agreed. She does what is in her best interest, whether it be working with Batman or against him depending on her objectives.

Batman's moral code:

Those who are Crime Killers (Catwoman/ Red Hood)= Villains
Those who are Crime Fighters (Robin, Batgirl)= Allies

Regarding Robin's outfit.

I always thought it was slightly odd that his costume IS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE THE CIRCUS OUTFIT OF THE FLYING GRAYSONS AND NO ONE SEEMS TO NOTICE!!!! If that happened in the movie world,you can expect little schemers like Coleman Reese or even people of lesser intelligence to put 2 and 2 together and make 4.

No it's not and hasn't been for upwards of fifty years.

Well, that was why I said like the Nolan Batman films. Frank Miller's Batman: Year One is also in that vein. Anyway, do you THE DARK KNIGHT would have worked as well as a crime drama if Batman had a junior sidekick running around with him? I generally prefer Batman either working alone or with adult partners, like Nightwing.

Frank Miller likes the character of Robin. He has got two mini series that follow the origin of Robin in his universe. Anyway, I don't see how Robin would've worked in The Dark Knight, because we have no idea how he would have been utilised. But Robin fits just fine in crime dramas. Read some of the more recent Batman comics that detail how Dick didn't realise how Bruce protected him from some of the more horrible things in Gotham and how he realises he has to protect Damian from these sights.





And another thing people have to realise is. When Dick decides to become a crimefighter, he is going to do it whether Batman likes it or not. Dick then finds out Bruce is Batman, he then has the leverage, at this point, Bruce means nothing to him. So Bruce trains Dick, in the comics it is for around a year, before he even lets him go to GCPD and go on stakeouts with him. He also trains him for hours every day and doesn't let him go out on patrol if his grades start to slip.

 

[Lencho01]

I think he looks enough that he could still pass as Dick Grayson far better than forgettable guy who played Robin in the Schumacher atrocities.

He can also act and is actually in pretty good shape and is very lean in body type. He's more than suitable. Dark brown hair with hazel eyes (I guess thats the only non canon part) but I guess Christian Bale fails that too.

I mean other than getting caught in up in semantics Levitt qualifies to play some sort of much older Dick Grayson I think.

But hey its not going to happen so its just a big pipe dream. For TDKR at least.

I don't think we should be expecting Robin in any form at this point in Bruce's life. I do like the idea of JGL for Nightwing, though.

Anyway, what was up with that Mask Less pic?