The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!! - Part 1

[cin0]

Try telling the cops that. In a literal sense "kill" is a verb so someone who has "killed" is a "killer". However, I'd say for some cases they can be described as justifiable homicide and not murder. Catwoman had an unarmed man at her mercy and killed him, as did Grayson. However Grayson then actually tried to do better and hasn't done anything like that since, Catwoman however still continues to break the law, much like Jason Todd. Catwoman didn't try to better herself, she continued to break the law and uses Bruce's feelings toasted her as protection knowing he wouldn't place her in a prison where he thought she would be unsafe. She is still a villain. And thinking about it Blockbuster wouldn't count as killing because it is not a crime to not let someone shoot you, it was more of a failing to do his duty as a hero. Which he then made up for in Infinite Crisis. Whereas Batman killing Sensei would be justifiable homicide as he had killed countless others and intended to kill more but Black Mask could have been incarcerated.

No, you're confusing that with a murderer. And it's not the same thing at all, it's a law but a isn't someone who kills when their hand is forced or when they think it's what's right. A killer is someone who doesn't care if they kill or not like how Cass used to be or how Rose still is. Those are killers. IMO it takes more than just one kill in a heated situation to make you a killer.

 

[the amazing fro]

A person that kills IS a killer. The definition of killer in all dictionaries is "one who kills" not "one who kills more than once in cold blood"

is is arguable that catwoman is not a murderer perhaps but she is definitely a killer.

 

[nameless_hero]

Not that I'm for Robin, but just having fun.

Nightwing

 

[the amazing fro]

^ Nice. I think Body armour is probably the way to go if robin turns up in the next series.

 

[Dr. Jackstraw]

I hope we see Robin transitioning into Nightwing in the "re-imagining" of the franchise after Nolan. It can be done very successfully if we have the right director and writer (well, that sounded obvious...but it needs to be said).

 

[Lord]

Here's a way, Robin uses body armor in red because of the death of his parents, with the blood simbolising their deaths but also the blood he's after, the one who killed his parents, however he maturates and spares his life, now being older he decides to work alone and becomes nighwing.

 

[Rodrigo90]

He wears red because of robin red-breasts.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

That Robin suit is very good, however could you make one where the red only extends to the shoulders and the dark grey of the Batsuit is instead a dark green? With the Nightwing mask that would be perfect.


And the first Nightwing suit is perfect, no adjustments necessary.

 

[DaveMoral]

Here's a way, Robin uses body armor in red because of the death of his parents, with the blood simbolising their deaths but also the blood he's after, the one who killed his parents, however he maturates and spares his life, now being older he decides to work alone and becomes nighwing.

He wears red because the Flying Graysons wore red, green and yellow. There's no need for blood symbolism. It's family colors.

 

[Rodrigo90]

If Robin appears in the movies,he should be able to design and wear what he wants to wear, like in the comics. I'd hate for the realism and seriousness to takeover and completely change his costume and the colors.

I know I was b****ing before about the campiness of the colors,but honestly,Id rather see Burt Ward's costume used than have it changed, just to suit the tone of the movie. It isnt fair.

But do I really want to see a bright and cheery Robin just after his parents murders? No,not straight away.

And the whole thing about the red for blood...really?

Kudos to those manips.

 

[KalMart]

A person that kills IS a killer. The definition of killer in all dictionaries is "one who kills" not "one who kills more than once in cold blood"

Is every soldier who ever shot an enemy during a war a killer for the rest of their days?

Does swatting a mosquito make one a killer?

 

[the amazing fro]

Is every soldier who ever shot an enemy during a war a killer for the rest of their days?

Does swatting a mosquito make one a killer?

Yes.

 

[Galactus123]

I think that Robin's suit should be the Batman Begins suit of Batman. Just change the symbol and add some colors.

 

[El Payaso]

Is every soldier who ever shot an enemy during a war a killer for the rest of their days?

Yes. But it's justified if you're being forced or defending yourself.

Does swatting a mosquito make one a killer?

Obviously not. It makes you a swatter.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Nothing justifies killing....except revenge.

 

[El Payaso]

Nothing justifies killing....except revenge.

Which leads to Batman 89.

 

[Lucifer Maranda]

What's with all the exclamation marks in the thread title.

Man, chill out

 

[Rodrigo90]

Which leads to Batman 89.

Which leads to Batman Forever,where Bruce decides killing is wrong and shouldn't be done...then is responsible for the death of Two-Face.

So bizarre,with mixed messages.t:

 

[AnorexicBatman]

I think the best argument for Robin would be if say he existed during The Dark Knight, both Rachel & Harvey could have been saved. 2 Batmen are better than one

 

[Travesty]

What's with all the exclamation marks in the thread title.

Man, chill out

!!!!!!!!!

 

[cin0]

A person that kills IS a killer. The definition of killer in all dictionaries is "one who kills" not "one who kills more than once in cold blood"

is is arguable that catwoman is not a murderer perhaps but she is definitely a killer.

Could care less what the definition is, killing someone doesn't make you a killer

I'm not talking about Catwoman.

 

[Rodrigo90]

So raping someone doesn't class you a rapist?

 

[SimonTrent]

I think the best argument for Robin would be if say he existed during The Dark Knight, both Rachel & Harvey could have been saved. 2 Batmen are better than one

yea, but there were two parties, batman went after Rachael, Gordon and his unit went after Harvey. They just didn't get there in time. There is no reason to think Robin would have arrived just in time.

 

[Dr. Jackstraw]

So raping someone doesn't class you a rapist?

Well, labels work on very shaky ground. This will always be a very philosophically ambivalent argument.

I can kill a mugger who threatens my mother with a knife to protect her life at all costs. I can do it out of pure adrenaline and rage. I might do it accidently (because I lack combat skills). Then, of course, I might have a chance to either kill or incapacitate the mugger/potential murderer.

It's childish to assume a person is in full control of their faculties when they are faced with a life or death situation. I know people that have killed, and I would never, under any circumstances, call them a "killer." "Killer" may refer to more than one kill, but, ultimately, it is a mindset. If you've felt enjoyment from killing or been desensitized to it, you are a killer. If you've done it out of necessity (out of survival or altruism for others), then you are just an individual who has killed, unfortunately.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Yeah. I agree it comes down to circumstances. It also depends on who labels you and for what reason it is to them.