The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!! - Part 1

[RustyCage]

I've yet to see a Robin bashing argument that is anything more than uneducated exaggeration.

 

[DaveMoral]

it's not really clearly stated in the movie, but dent did have his own room and ICU patients always get their own rooms so i'm of the opinion that he was in ICU. and weren't there shots of him being operated on during the voice-over of rachel reading the letter to bruce? my dad was in ICU for four months and they mostly keep an eye on you via monitors. it's not like RNs and doctors are literally constantly in the room with you; they have other patients to tend to. the only thing about that part of the movie that struck me as unbelievable was that dent wasn't isolated as a wound like that is highly prone to infection, especially in a hospital.

and of course it wasn't a survivable trauma, that was the whole point of how two-face was conceived in the movie. people were complaining that he had such a short amount of time but it's like he said, "there's no escape from this." he just wanted to mete out vengeance to everyone involved in what happened to him and rachel and then he probably would've committed suicide. the dude knew he was dying and he wanted to take down as many as he could with him.

back on topic: i've been a batman fan since i was a kid and have never cared for robin. guess i'm not a "true" fan, thank god. but then, i've always been able to talk to women with ease, have never lived in mommy's basement, have never tipped the scales at anything close to 200 lbs., and would rather spend the weekend bar-hopping than at comic-con, so there you go.

oh, jeez. i'm being deliberately controversial again. gosh.

Oh, I do so love the idiot response calling out a fan stereotype. Very intelligent, so very intelligent.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

No offense, but what is all this "too soon in Batman's career for Robin" business?

TDK was a year after Batman Begins. TDKR could likely take place another year after TDK.

Robin was introduced almost exactly a year after Batman was, in 1940. In comic time, he arrives in about the third year of Batman's career.

...yeah.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

I can't believe the idea of Robin is actually popping into people's heads. Nolan said it himself, that during his films, Robin is still a baby, and Bale even said that if Robin was in their films, he would chain himself to his house and would not go to work. They both are strongly against Robin. This is a silly thread.

 

[Hole Shot]

back on topic: i've been a batman fan since i was a kid and have never cared for robin. guess i'm not a "true" fan, thank god. but then, i've always been able to talk to women with ease, have never lived in mommy's basement, have never tipped the scales at anything close to 200 lbs., and would rather spend the weekend bar-hopping than at comic-con, so there you go.

Guess what? I've been a fan of Batman since I was kid too. Also, I'm not virgin nor has my mother ever had a basement. I go bar hopping probably too often. I surf, skate and ride motocross, in fact I'm a marketing director in the action sports industry. And...I LOVE ROBIN AND GETTING MY COMIC CON ON!



Still don't want him in this movie. Don't see the fit, and I've always been more partial to Tim.

 

[Gotham22]

Maybe just a Dick Grayson or Tim Drake cameo.

Thought I think we got the Tim Drake cameo in BB.

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

Even though Robin is an integral part of the Batman mythos, he will not be making an appearance in TDKR. First of all Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale have made it more than obvious that Robin simply doesn't fit with what they've created thematically. Also, this franchise is chronicling the formative years of Batman. In post crisis continuity, Batman has already gone against Catwoman, Hugo Strange, the Riddler, Man-bat, Poison Ivy, and Mr. Freeze before the events of Dark Victory. Still plenty of time left for Robin after Nolan leaves the franchise.

 

[Micah12345]

Remember when people said bane would never fit in the 'nolan universe?'

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

Remember when people said bane would never fit in the 'nolan universe?'

Well Nolan himself said Robin wouldn't fit with his universe. Unless Nolan doesn't control the Nolanverse...

 

[Knight Rise]

Was that the one with the microwave machine that didn't fry humans? Or was that the one with people falling off buildings?


So you're going to write off 70 years of pop culture?


I bet you liked G.I. Joe.

I didn't like it much.

 

[Knight Rise]

No offense, but what is all this "too soon in Batman's career for Robin" business?

TDK was a year after Batman Begins. TDKR could likely take place another year after TDK.

Robin was introduced almost exactly a year after Batman was, in 1940. In comic time, he arrives in about the third year of Batman's career.

...yeah.

Not in the form of Joseph Gordon-Levitt

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Not in the form of Joseph Gordon-Levitt

Okay, sure. I don't remember suggesting him.

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

No way will Nolan shoehorn Robin into the film. Batman, Bane, and Catwoman can already carry the movie as it is. This movie is "Bruce Wayne's" story, not Robin's.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Robin is a part of Bruce Wayne's story. Just like Alfred, just like Gordon.

 

[Knight Rise]

Okay, sure. I don't remember suggesting him.

All of this is because a LOT of people still think that's who hes gonna play if he's in the film at all. Stupid sounding? yes but that's why this discussion is really picking up

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

All of this is because a LOT of people still think that's who hes gonna play if he's in the film at all. Stupid sounding? yes but that's why this discussion is really picking up

Well, that's not why I'm discussing it. I've been talking about it since Batman Begins, because I feel like it's the right place to go thematically.

Nolan won't do it, but he also isn't putting Batman in grey tights, and that hasn't slowed the batsuit thread down.

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

Robin is a part of Bruce Wayne's story. Just like Alfred, just like Gordon.

I would love it if Nolan decided to put Robin in the film. I think the character is a great way of showcasing Batman's lost innocence as a child by having a child fight along side him. But Nolan is adamant that Robin just doesn't fit with the story he wants to tell. I'm guessing it's because of comparisons to the Schumacher films. Because of this, I can say with the utmost certainty, that Robin will not be making an appearance in TDKR. This report out of Michigan of "Robin's cave" is a Red Herring.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Robin can have his own damn low budget cable movie, just leave this alone...

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I would love it if Nolan decided to put Robin in the film. I think the character is a great way of showcasing Batman's lost innocence as a child by having a child fight along side him. But Nolan is adamant that Robin just doesn't fit with the story he wants to tell. I'm guessing it's because of comparisons to the Schumacher films. Because of this, I can say with the utmost certainty, that Robin will not be making an appearance in TDKR. This report out of Michigan of "Robin's cave" is a Red Herring.

I agree, there's barely a prayer's chance that Nolan will include Robin. If it's based on fear of Schumacher comparisons, that's really unfortunate. The character makes for incredibly rich storytelling and I'd think someone with Nolan's imagination and intelligence would see that.

 

[Knight Rise]

Well, that's not why I'm discussing it. I've been talking about it since Batman Begins, because I feel like it's the right place to go thematically.

Nolan won't do it, but he also isn't putting Batman in grey tights, and that hasn't slowed the batsuit thread down.

So you are more towards something after Nolan? Yeah I'd be cool with that. I thought you meant just for this film

 

[RetroNaz]

I've never liked the idea of a kid running around with Batman as a side kick.

And be as it may, talented people trying to justify the character being introduced originally to attract younger readers, I still can't get into him or the idea.

 

[Timstuff]

Robin is a part of Bruce Wayne's story. Just like Alfred, just like Gordon.

Not really. Alfred and Gordon were before Robin. Batman is a complete character without him. Many of Batman's best stories don't even mention him.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

So you are more towards something after Nolan? Yeah I'd be cool with that. I thought you meant just for this film

Personally, yeah, I think he'd be a perfect fit for the closing chapter of this trilogy.

Bruce's relationship with his father was such a huge part of Batman Begins. I can't think of anything that makes sense more than to mirror and revisit that.

But I'm not in charge, so... I wouldn't want Nolan pressured into including a character he (for whatever reason) doesn't seem to like.

As far as after Nolan, who knows what's coming? I'd bet more on a total reboot than even a loose continuation of the Nolan series, so...bleh.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Not really. Alfred and Gordon were before Robin. Batman is a complete character without him. Many of Batman's best stories don't even mention him.

Actually, no. Robin was around before Alfred.

 

[Knight Rise]

I've never liked the idea of a kid running around with Batman as a side kick.

And be as it may, talented people trying to justify the character being introduced originally to attract younger readers, I still can't get into him or the idea.

That's really why I don't want Robin in something like this. I like the dark Batman who has the "I work alone" attitude. Plus, why exactly would Robin be needed as a side-kick at the moment? There's no way in hell he could take on Bane alone if Bruce is injured