The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!! - Part 1

[COMPO]

because they kept the dark theme whereas Schumacher's films went 2 light and campy and that wasn't even because of robin, the villains

 

[John Locke]

I don't think he'll add Robin. But I could see him adding Nightwing or even Red Hood.

 

[bullets]

are u sick? HELL no no robin. the character has always been a mistake and an excuse for parents to feel batman isnt dark enough. Robin should be eliminated from the original mythos to begin with. He was created for the purpose of parents *****in about their the batman world being too dark

There's been some good Robin stories over the years. I've always liked his character. It might not seem practical in the Nolan films but I wouldn't mind a young vigilante storyline. Event though they had the gall to have Joker kill him , Robin was popular enough to bring back under a red hood.

 

[Two-Face]

It looks like it won't matter how people feel about Robin... because Nolan has added him to TDKR!

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[Godman]

Are Loeb's boring and highly overrated stories all that people who consider themselves batfans read?
A very good story that could easily be adapted into a movie.
****ting dick nipples. Google them. You wont be able to unsee it.
That point is simply ridiculous. And no, none of their movies was perfect.

i stand corrected. i will rephrase. Nolan's movies and burtons movies were exceptional without robin and worked perfectly to achieve the character's great universe without robin. they werent perfect, as nothing is, but robin wasnt missed AT ALL in any of the great upscale batman movies. Batman forever and Batman and Robin were trash due to writing and also the concept of batman with a green tights, weird outfit child hovering around him is ust not acceptable. yuk. no matter what they try, for film in a realistic approach. ANY superhero with a mask that covers only ur eye area is stupid as that doesnt conceil anything and how will robin talk and no one acknowledge its his voice?

also another dynamic people miss is to make it believable that bruce wayne can be pre occupied when batman is out and about is understandble and logically can fool people, but bruce wayne hangin about a kid here and there and then suddenly two superheroes with the same descriptionn, robin's hair all exposed and dna can be taken from that hair if cops sweep a scene etc just isnt plausible in a NOLAN movie.

see nolan covered these basic things with batman as batman is well conceiled. only his mouth and his eye parts are visible and we see what happened when paper trails led back to him in TDK. now imagine the **** up robin would bring in. too many vulnerable spots. mask can be easily removed. is as much of a disguise as superman's which was always stupid, and how would robin disguise his voice or make villains fear batman anymore or respect him when he adds another potential casualty for batman to wirry about and deal with? in a realistic world. what we got is all we need from nolans characters. batman just needs to have more exceptional fight choreography, more shadowy scenes, more ninjitsu, and less growling and more of a whisper like in BB and we got a perfect movie.

robin has too much to explain to a smarter audience of today. i swear he would leave hair somewhere for cops to trace

 

[RustyCage]

Having recently read TLH and Haunted Knight thus far, I feel compelled to call Loeb 'awesome' in the face of all this nonsensical bashing of him.

 

[The Infernal]

Godman it still sounds like you're just hating on Robin. In theory it is possible to tell Robin's story in a Nolanverse Batman in a credible way and there was a lot more to the failure of Batman Forever and Batman & Robin than an odd teen sidekick. You're just ingoring anything else.

As far as the whole secret identity angle, you're just over thinking it. It's still a movie and I bet if people spent five minutes on it they could find tons of other basic logic flaws with those films. Why not ask why people don't understand that Clark Kent is Superman without the glasses?

And smarter audience of today? What happened, did we all have kids who are all smarter than ourselves and are old enough to see the next Batman movie? Or is it something in the water?

But in all fairness I seriously don't see Robin in this movie, even despite this rumour. I don't see the studio forcing his character on Nolan like Sony did with Raimi and Venom.

 

[Conebone69]

robin is not going to be in this movie... because for one nolan already said he would never have robin in his movies, and bale said he wouldnt do the movie if robin was in it

 

[Knight Rise]

ive read both Batman: The Long Halloween and Batman: Dark Victory and i really enjoyed both of them

 

[the amazing fro]

Having recently read TLH and Haunted Knight thus far, I feel compelled to call Loeb 'awesome' in the face of all this nonsensical bashing of him.

and correct. Loeb rules. Damn the plot holes.

 

[RustyCage]

Everything has plot holes (even TDK), and they tend not to be as detrimental as people make them out to be. Sometimes they even improve the experience if it's intended to be mysterious, or cuts what would have been a bunch of long-winded common sense.

 

[Godman]

Godman it still sounds like you're just hating on Robin. In theory it is possible to tell Robin's story in a Nolanverse Batman in a credible way and there was a lot more to the failure of Batman Forever and Batman & Robin than an odd teen sidekick. You're just ingoring anything else.

As far as the whole secret identity angle, you're just over thinking it. It's still a movie and I bet if people spent five minutes on it they could find tons of other basic logic flaws with those films. Why not ask why people don't understand that Clark Kent is Superman without the glasses?

And smarter audience of today? What happened, did we all have kids who are all smarter than ourselves and are old enough to see the next Batman movie? Or is it something in the water?

But in all fairness I seriously don't see Robin in this movie, even despite this rumour. I don't see the studio forcing his character on Nolan like Sony did with Raimi and Venom.

overthinking it? GREAT movies happend because great people OVERTHINK each scene the best they can...thats the difference between TDK and Daredevil so dont u dare tell me OVERTHINKING it. THIS is how great story tellers going for a realistic approach think

cinema has changed and when we were kids we believed claymation/stop motion was real looking and never questioned it cause it was state of the art, but since technology has improved we look back at most of that stuff as very old and dated looking. So times do change and the conscious level of the next generation always improves on what was.

things that worked in the 60s - 70s dont work in this da and age hence batman's hitech armor on film working far better than the tights angle and why superman returns just felt dated. Uness u base the batman movie in the era it was originally created 40s then RObin as we know wouldnt fit a nolan verse. batman is very updated and more acceptable in nolan's movies even the rubber neck angle had to be brought up as a pun.

i personally have never been a fan of the extreme characters in batman with robin being too flashy, penguin and his goofy looking self, mt freeze, croc etc etc. never really been into all that. Ive appreciated Batman honestly and fully from the book YEAR ONE and what burton did with it. when that came into play it changed my whole angle on batman which i was highly impressed wiht. before burton batman was another comicbook guy to me and spidey was my fav. i HATE side kick stuff. always have. its typical and overly done with EVERYTHING superhero related besides superman, whew.

Im more into the updated NON robin angle burton used for film. in fact i love the show THE BATMAN for excluding robin too. i just dont feel we get enough time to develop the dynamics of batmans full potential with all these characters. If robin was developed in the first movie and built a separate story leading up to the dark knight rises then yes it could be worked if his entire outfit was changed and made to fit todays technology.

Robin's look is just too goofy and not plausible in todays modern world which nolan tackled by fixing the car into a new age of things, and being workable with the technology the new cops of today have. robin is just outdated. Nolan's batman is about fear and redemption which u cant develop in one movie with a new character like robin and robin has never been scary lol. that mask is HORRIBLE. new age people, we need an update or set the movie in a time where skimpy masks worked

 

[Godman]

ive read both batman: The long halloween and batman: Dark victory and i really enjoyed both of them

without robin

 

[jacobed]

I'm not one that hates on Robin like some people do in fact in a different storyline I'd more than welcome Robin because he can be pretty awesome if done right like in Batman: Under the Hood but I do not think he belongs in this universe. I think it would take away from the overall dramatic story of Bruce Wayne being Batman and struggling with this dual identity and the notion of who he really is Bruce or Batman.

 

[phantasmata]

robin is not going to be in this movie... because for one nolan already said he would never have robin in his movies, and bale said he wouldnt do the movie if robin was in it

hey, hey, hey now. don't you go bringing up what nolan said! his word is only good when the fanboys agree w/ him.

 

[Knight Rise]

you aren't getting Robin or Nightwing

Robin is WAY too young of a character for someone like JGL

As for Nightwing, you cannot have him without introducing Robin. Grayson became Nightwing to step out of Batman's shadow and become a hero on his own. You cannot simply jump to Nightwing because it makes no sense.

Plus, this is a young Batman so Robin would be REALLY little

 

[Godman]

you aren't getting Robin or Nightwing

Robin is WAY too young of a character for someone like JGL

As for Nightwing, you cannot have him without introducing Robin. Grayson became Nightwing to step out of Batman's shadow and become a hero on his own. You cannot simply jump to Nightwing because it makes no sense.

Plus, this is a young Batman so Robin would be REALLY little

finally an intellectual with a mind to think consciously

 

[the amazing fro]

you aren't getting Robin or Nightwing

Robin is WAY too young of a character for someone like JGL

As for Nightwing, you cannot have him without introducing Robin. Grayson became Nightwing to step out of Batman's shadow and become a hero on his own. You cannot simply jump to Nightwing because it makes no sense.

Plus, this is a young Batman so Robin would be REALLY little

Elements of the comics can be changed y'know

However I think that it is a little early for robin. Though after Nolan..... who knows?

 

[raybia]

Regardless of my feelings about the Robin character I am certain that he will not appear in this series. To do it now and in this fashion would have this series "jumping the shark".

The events of BB in my estimate would only be a 2-3 years before the beginning of TDKR unless it takes place 7 to 8 years later and even then it doesn't correlate to Nolan's comments that Dick Grayson would be an infant at the time of BB.

Again I in no way see this happening so I cannot and will not take this rumor seriously. If by chance it does happen then Nolan better have one heck of a trick up his sleeve or he threatens to destroy everything he has built up at this point.

 

[Knight Rise]

finally an intellectual with a mind to think consciously

I try

Elements of the comics can be changed y'know

However I think that it is a little early for robin. Though after Nolan..... who knows?

its like you disagree with yourself by this post, from my view. If elements of the comics can change, time wouldnt be an issue would it? no offense as i rest my case

 

[FlawlessVictory]

No way in hell will Robin be in this film. A lot of misinformation going around now with Batman and Superman and methinks that is partially on purpose.

 

[the amazing fro]

I try



its like you disagree with yourself by this post, from my view. If elements of the comics can change, time wouldnt be an issue would it? no offense as i rest my case

Its not a matter of faithfulness to the comics its a matter of wanting to see one more lone batman film before robin is introduced.

 

[The Infernal]

overthinking it? GREAT movies happend because great people OVERTHINK each scene the best they can...thats the difference between TDK and Daredevil so dont u dare tell me OVERTHINKING it. THIS is how great story tellers going for a realistic approach think

I believe I already did. Plus how did you get the inside track on how writers in movies work? I still think you're making an awful stretch.

cinema has changed and when we were kids we believed claymation/stop motion was real looking and never questioned it cause it was state of the art, but since technology has improved we look back at most of that stuff as very old and dated looking. So times do change and the conscious level of the next generation always improves on what was.

things that worked in the 60s - 70s dont work in this da and age hence batman's hitech armor on film working far better than the tights angle and why superman returns just felt dated. Uness u base the batman movie in the era it was originally created 40s then RObin as we know wouldnt fit a nolan verse. batman is very updated and more acceptable in nolan's movies even the rubber neck angle had to be brought up as a pun.

You may be older than me. I never thought Jason and the Argonauts was real. I felt the whole 'dated' look was part of its charm. I think the main reason things worked back then was because there was little alternative. The audience is likely as smart as they were back then.

i personally have never been a fan of the extreme characters in batman with robin being too flashy, penguin and his goofy looking self, mt freeze, croc etc etc. never really been into all that. Ive appreciated Batman honestly and fully from the book YEAR ONE and what burton did with it. when that came into play it changed my whole angle on batman which i was highly impressed wiht. before burton batman was another comicbook guy to me and spidey was my fav. i HATE side kick stuff. always have. its typical and overly done with EVERYTHING superhero related besides superman, whew.

You didn't find Burton extreme? Sure it never included Clayface or something like that, but Joker and Penguin were hardly down to earth either. They just weren't superpowered, but their whole characters were over the top and that was the point at the time.

Im more into the updated NON robin angle burton used for film. in fact i love the show THE BATMAN for excluding robin too. i just dont feel we get enough time to develop the dynamics of batmans full potential with all these characters. If robin was developed in the first movie and built a separate story leading up to the dark knight rises then yes it could be worked if his entire outfit was changed and made to fit todays technology.

I respect that. I just don't think that people can write Robin off as far as his inclusion in the over all story of Batman in the comics. I disagree about trying to include his character from the beginning though. If it were me then I'd include him in a multi-film story arc after this upcoming film.

Robin's look is just too goofy and not plausible in todays modern world which nolan tackled by fixing the car into a new age of things, and being workable with the technology the new cops of today have. robin is just outdated. Nolan's batman is about fear and redemption which u cant develop in one movie with a new character like robin and robin has never been scary lol. that mask is HORRIBLE. new age people, we need an update or set the movie in a time where skimpy masks worked

I don't think Robin was ever about being scary. Batman isn't all about fear, that's a small part of his persona to scare criminals. Redemption however does seem to fit more into Nolan's version of Batman and over all story arc and though I do think Robin/Dick Grayson could easily fit into that theme I agree with you that adding Robin in this movie would be too much. As far as your comments about his look, it's all just your personal taste and your have the right to that.

 

[Knight Rise]

Its not a matter of faithfulness to the comics its a matter of wanting to see one more lone batman film before robin is introduced.

im sorry, but that is a terrible way to look at it. thats like saying "Oh we'll make Batman's suit pink, but it doesnt matter as long as hes still the Batman persona we all know right?" no, you have to follow through with the basics of the story of Batman and one is Robin is his partner when Batman is older and more well into his state of being Gotham's Protector. Adding Nightwing makes no sense whatsoever if you put him in with Batman, all it does is satisfy a fanboy who now thinks "Yes, we finally got a look at Dick Grayson even though he comes out of nowhere with no training and no reason as to taking the name or how his childhood background was told. But its all good, we got him!" you HAVE to keep major things from the comics. No matter how badly you want this character, you certainly aren't getting JGL as Robin or Nightwing

 

[regwec]

All real Batman fans love Robin.

I want to make the argument that, if you accept the view that comics are an American mythology, then Batman-Catwoman-Robin is a coherent trinity like all those found in most ancient pantheons; man-woman-child.

Anyway, Robin can potentially be embarrassing, but the solution to that is not to explain him away. He is an underage vigilante, who owes his success to being taken under the wing of another mentally damaged orphan who perceives his pain. It's beautifully neat, in a way.