The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!! - Part 1

[Vile]

If Nolan were to give Bats a sidekick (which I doubt) I'd have no problem if they just skipped right to Nightwing.

 

[Secret Fawful]

And for the record, I understand Robin's character just fine. Don't act as if I know nothing about the character-- it's not rocket science. I've given him his chance and was turned off by the character, which is why I skip over stories that feature him, as I said. I don't need to have read every Robin-centric adventure to make a judgment as to whether he works for me or not. Solo Batman is the way to go.

I'll act that way as long as you display complete ignorance of the character.

His fans believe he can bring out a missing element in Bruce, something more to live for than beating up criminals. That Robin can give Batman's life a deeper meaning, and that he sees himself in Dick Grayson and can maybe be a stabilizing force in his life, while steering him towards the right way to do things if he insists on following in his footsteps. I'm sure I've left some things out, as no two people interpret things identically, but that's the way I see their side of the argument. My point is, that isn't the least bit interesting to me.

So, let me get this straight. You like Batman, yet one of the most important elements of his life and character and future isn't the least bit interesting to you. Your loss.

And SecretFawful, you really need to loosen up. I'd be embarrassed if I were you and I re-read that last post. Thumping your chest and trying to run me off because you think you have a deeper understanding of the multi-faceted and mind-bending complexity of the "Boy Wonder" than I do? Come on man.

Loosen up? Me get embarrassed?

I'm trying to run you off because you're in a topic arguing with people over a character you don't like with statements about said character that made you look like an utter fool in the discussion. It's not really any skin off of my back, I just got testy because I hate it when someone goes at other's throats with what seems like little or no knowledge of the subject. Are we at your throat as well? A bit but I guess we're all just a bunch of rotten *******s.

I think my comment about his gay costume has created some real animosity towards me, and I apologize.

Good.

Just know that the vast majority of folks around the world make the same kinds of comments about Robin, and I didnd't think it was out there enough to cause such anger.

I'd speak the same way to any other person who said what you did the way you did. After all, I'm not a nice guy or a gentleman.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I just wrote two fairly lenghty, honest, and civil posts about why I don't care to see Robin in a Nolan Bat-film, and your response is that I'm "ignorant"?

Lets see:

Some folks are a lot more into the comic medium than I am and can accept a kid in a flamboyantly gay little costume

Insulting the character.

Robin isn't in the film. I promise. The character is pure silliness, and I can't see how he'd hold the interest of anybody over the age of twelve, but that's just me.

Insulting the people who like him.

A man dressed as a bat is pushing it,

Clearly comics arent for you then.

His costume is very silly,

Its no more silly than those of Batman, Superman or Spiderman. Or does the fact that Batman's suit is black make it cool and not ridiculous?

Repeating myself here-- I prefer a Batman lurks in the shadows, investigates crime scenes, and pulvarizes criminals alone. Justify Robin any way you want, it isn't going to change the way I feel about the Batman and his methods.

So you could have simply said that instead of taking a shot at Robin.

 

[Anchor_Content]

Or not. I've probably got about 30-40 Batman stories laying around, along with a couple seasons of BTAS, the Gotham Knight DVD, and both of Nolan's films. That's plenty of Batman for me. Please don't try to make it sound like you're cooler than me because you read more comic books. That could get kind of ugly. I like to hike, go camping, paint, write and record music, and shoot amateur films, plus I have a family, a full-time job, and am taking classes two nights a week, so reading comics isn't real high on my priority list. Sorry.

And no, that doesn't make my opinion on what Nolan is doing with his Batman films any less valid than yours. Actually, I think I've got my finger right on the pulse of what he is doing, where as you seem to think including Robin in his continuity would be a good idea, so maybe its the other way around.

Wh-o-o-o-o-a.... Peeps need to be cool and relax 'round here

Plenty of Batlove to go around

 

[Bat-Mite]

I'm not the least bit homphobic, I have co-workers and casual friends that are gay, and would say the same thing about Robin in their presence.

I'd be surprised if those friends of yours would appreciate that. Robin's costume isn't and never has been "gay," as cloth is incapable of having a sexual orientation. His old costume with the skivvies and the pixie boots is considered "campy" to modern tastes, and even though camp is strongly associated with the gay community, that does not mean that all gay people are campy or even find the style appealing. The two terms are not interchangeable, and it's best for you to learn that now lest you offend more people in the future.

 

[Knight Rise]

If Nolan were to give Bats a sidekick (which I doubt) I'd have no problem if they just skipped right to Nightwing.

Since that would make no sense and Nightwing isnt a side-kick

 

[Vile]

With some changes he could be. I'd just rather not see Bats drag a pre-teen around.

 

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

This is probably not a particularly original idea, I'm sure I'm not the first to come up with it, but if they did put Robin in this series of movies, here's how I'd like to see it done:

- "My" Robin would be sort of a mix between Dick and Jason. Name-wise, I'd use Dick, mainly because he's the most recognizable Robin to the general audience, but also so that purists wouldn't get their panties in a twist about one of the others coming first. This'd also set up a possible Nightwing spin-off or reference.

- He's be in his mid-to-late teens. No pre-pubescent "boy wonder." If we're going to see him beating on thugs without it looking like a scene out of 3 Ninjas, he can't be too young.

- He'd start out as a less-than-successful vigilante in his own right, not unlike the impostor Batmen from TDK, but without the hokey Batman-wannabe costume. After getting his ass handed to him a few times, with Batman saving his bacon, Dick stumbles upon Batman trying to apprehend some villain/mob boss/what-have-you. Seeing an opportunity, he jumps in, but falls short. Batman saves him from the villain's underlings, but in the process, lets the big fish get away. Batman scowls, gets in Dick's face, with Dick assuming the worst, but Bats says something along the lines of "If you're going to do this...and obviously you are, whether I like it or not... you're going to do it right." and takes him under his wing. For the first while, if not the entire movie, Bruce doesn't reveal his identity to Dick, being only "Batman" to him. In the end, Robin proves himself, and comes through big in the end, hinting at a foundation of trust and friendship building from there on.

- no "youthful ward" nonsense. It's just gay joke fodder, and wouldn't really add anything to the story. Bruce can help him out financially and whatnot, but literally or figuratively adopting him isn't really necessary.

 

[Knight Rise]

i just want a hint to Robin, something like whats in my signature. I dont want anything to appear out of this movie thats physically related to Robin

 

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

Well, seeing as how Rachel's dead, and that's who he said that to, I guess that's out.

...but yeah, I get what you're saying.

 

[Knight Rise]

Well, seeing as how Rachel's dead, and that's who he said that to, I guess that's out.

...but yeah, I get what you're saying.

it originally said:

Bruce walks out of Wayne Manor and looks up into the sky. The Bat Signal beckons that Batman be summoned. Lines from The Dark Knight between Bruce and Rachel begin to call out into the night

"Remember when you said we'd be together when Gotham no longer needs Batman?"

Bruce glances up into a tree. A robin looks down at him curiously

"It's coming"

(cut to black)

THE DARK KNIGHT RISES

 

[antsman41]

At best, if JGL is Dick Grayson we will get a scene like at the end of Dark Victory at the end of TDKRises that will only foreshadow Dick as Robin...

 

[DaveMoral]

I'd be surprised if those friends of yours would appreciate that. Robin's costume isn't and never has been "gay," as cloth is incapable of having a sexual orientation. His old costume with the skivvies and the pixie boots is considered "campy" to modern tastes, and even though camp is strongly associated with the gay community, that does not mean that all gay people are campy or even find the style appealing. The two terms are not interchangeable, and it's best for you to learn that now lest you offend more people in the future.

What really torques me off about the comments about the Robin costume and it's camp, or "gay-ness," or whatever... that costume hasn't been in use for 20 years! 20 years! Give it a rest. Are the only stories you've read with Robin seriously that old? I'm flummoxed by that. There are some decent stories from back in the day when Dick was Robin, some decent stories done more recently depicting Dick as Robin, but that suit is old hat and hasn't been on film since 1966. Tim Drake's costume has been the default costume for Dick Grayson in television and film media since it appeared in the comics. Something with which I am totally cool. If they were going to use the character at all with the yellow, red and green colors included it would draw from Tim Drake's costume, surely. No pixie boots, no bare legs, no speedos. Full leggings, ninja tabi boots, long cape with black outside, kevlar torso and a freaking bo staff.

Anyone that disses Robin and doesn't get why he's integral not merely to the mythos of Batman but the psyche of the guy and keeping him human, read A Lonely Place of Dying. There is a reason the writers brought Robin back, and it's because they felt Batman would become increasingly unhinged as he focused solely on his war on crime alone. Loeb did it in Dark Victory, and Wolfman and Perez did it with A Lonely Place of Dying and Year Three showed it perfectly in the aftermath of Jason Todd's death.

Anyone that says Batman was a loner in '89 seems not to have realized how short a period of time that was. '88 say Jason Todd killed in A Death In The Family, and '89 had Batman becoming unhinged, brutally violent and sloppy and then did A Lonely Place of Dying, and '90 introduced Tim as Robin III with the new armored costume with a black cape for stealth.The whole period after Jason died was used to show how much Batman needs Robin, even if Jason was written like a jerk. They made a new, far more likable Robin to do this.

 

[bonesawmcgraw]

it originally said:

Bruce walks out of Wayne Manor and looks up into the sky. The Bat Signal beckons that Batman be summoned. Lines from The Dark Knight between Bruce and Rachel begin to call out into the night

"Remember when you said we'd be together when Gotham no longer needs Batman?"

Bruce glances up into a tree. A robin looks down at him curiously

"It's coming"

(cut to black)

THE DARK KNIGHT RISES

Brutal

 

[Godman]

no robin, pain and simple

 

[Mr. Earle]

Every page of this thread goes like this:

- I would like to see Robin in TDKR or some other movie.
- No Robin ever. He sucks.
- But let me explain.
- No, i said he sucks.
- Well ok then, so anyway i think Robin....
- Hell no to Robin.
- OK dude we heard you, so can we move on?
- Hey guys what if Nolan went straight to Nightwing?
- You dont know anything about Robin or NW do you? Let me explain....blah, blah, blah.... So you see why they cant do that.
- Well i still think he sucks.
- WE GET IT.


Repeat ad nauseum. **** this thread, i'm outta here. I'm tired of feeding the ignorant trolls going around in circles. Besides if Nolan were to adapt the character and succeed you'd act as if you were supporters all along.

 

[Anchor_Content]

Every page of this thread goes like this:

- I would like to see Robin in TDKR or some other movie.
- No Robin ever. He sucks.
- But let me explain.
- No, i said he sucks.
- Well ok then, so anyway i think Robin....
- Hell no to Robin.
- OK dude we heard you, so can we move on?
- Hey guys what if Nolan went straight to Nightwing?
- You dont know anything about Robin or NW do you? Let me explain....blah, blah, blah.... So you see why they cant do that.
- Well i still think he sucks.
- WE GET IT.


Repeat ad nauseum. **** this thread, i'm outta here. I'm tired of feeding the ignorant trolls going around in circles. Besides if Nolan were to adapt the character and succeed you'd act as if you were supporters all along.

 

[Vile]

Every page of this thread goes like this:

- I would like to see Robin in TDKR or some other movie.
- No Robin ever. He sucks.
- But let me explain.
- No, i said he sucks.
- Well ok then, so anyway i think Robin....
- Hell no to Robin.
- OK dude we heard you, so can we move on?
- Hey guys what if Nolan went straight to Nightwing?
- You dont know anything about Robin or NW do you? Let me explain....blah, blah, blah.... So you see why they cant do that.
- Well i still think he sucks.
- WE GET IT.


Repeat ad nauseum. **** this thread, i'm outta here. I'm tired of feeding the ignorant trolls going around in circles. Besides if Nolan were to adapt the character and succeed you'd act as if you were supporters all along.

I would like to see Robin in TDKR or some other movie.

 

[The Joker]

I'm not against Robin making his way into the movies, but not in TDKR. Batman is still in the learning process of his early days himself. I don't think he's in a position to be guiding a young partner through it all yet.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I said i was gonna go, but i'd like to respond to this. ^

Batman will always be learning, there will always be new challenges for him to face and obstacles to overcome so i doubt they ll ever give us the batgol that just steamrolls through everything. Also, dont forget that Batman adopted Dick in his third year so he was hardly a veteran.

Then, even in one year you get 12 issues, therefore a max of 12 stories (more if there are more bat titles), and here we've only got 2 movies = 2 stories, so its easy to feel like he only just started. But dont forget that TDK is already six months after BB, so you dont really need to register a lot of stories just to show that Batman is standing well on his feet before you adapt Robin.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

What really torques me off about the comments about the Robin costume and it's camp, or "gay-ness," or whatever... that costume hasn't been in use for 20 years! 20 years! Give it a rest. Are the only stories you've read with Robin seriously that old? I'm flummoxed by that. There are some decent stories from back in the day when Dick was Robin, some decent stories done more recently depicting Dick as Robin, but that suit is old hat and hasn't been on film since 1966. Tim Drake's costume has been the default costume for Dick Grayson in television and film media since it appeared in the comics. Something with which I am totally cool. If they were going to use the character at all with the yellow, red and green colors included it would draw from Tim Drake's costume, surely. No pixie boots, no bare legs, no speedos. Full leggings, ninja tabi boots, long cape with black outside, kevlar torso and a freaking bo staff.

Also, I like how it's always "I don't like him," as if Robin is one person.

Do you not like Dick Grayson? Do you at least like him when he becomes Nightwing?

Do you not like Jason? Do you not like Tim? What about Stephanie? Carrie?

"Robin" is many characters, all very different from one another.

Is it just the concept?

What if Robin was like, a totally hot, legal chick who Batman boned? THAT WOULD BE AWESOME AND TOTALLY NOT GAY.

 

[The Joker]

I said i was gonna go, but i'd like to respond to this. ^

Batman will always be learning, there will always be new challenges for him to face and obstacles to overcome so i doubt they ll ever give us the batgol that just steamrolls through everything. Also, dont forget that Batman adopted Dick in his third year so he was hardly a veteran.

Then, even in one year you get 12 issues, therefore a max of 12 stories (more if there are more bat titles), and here we've only got 2 movies = 2 stories, so its easy to feel like he only just started. But dont forget that TDK is already six months after BB, so you dont really need to register a lot of stories just to show that Batman is standing well on his feet before you adapt Robin.

Batman will always be learning, but there's varying degrees of learning. He's still taking his baby steps in Nolan's movies. In TDK he only just learned about the type of psychotic freak criminal like the Joker exists.

Forget time frame, and issues in the comics. Look at the movies in terms of Batman's progression as a character. He's not ready to take on a partner yet. He literally just accepted his role as Batman as being infinite instead of finite at the end of TDK.

I just don't see him being ready to adopt a father figure and mentor role to a young partner yet. Especially in light of his current situation.

 

[serendipity]

Well since this thread is going to hell, i might as well pass the time with jokes.



Hello, posters, look at Robin. Now back to Batman, now back at Robin, now back to Batman. Sadly he isn’t Batman, but if Batman got zapped by the Omega Sanction he could be.
Look down, back up. Where are you? You are in a cave with the Batman you dream of. What’s in your hand, back at me, I have it, it’s an oyster with two tickets to that Zorro movie you love. Look again, Batman's parents are now dead!


Everything is possible when you read comics. I’m in a flying batmobile.

 

[bonesawmcgraw]

Lets see: Insulting the character. Insulting the people who like him.
Clearly comics arent for you then. Its no more silly than those of Batman, Superman or Spiderman. Or does the fact that Batman's suit is black make it cool and not ridiculous?
So you could have simply said that instead of taking a shot at Robin.

Yeah, leave poor Robin alone! What's he ever done to you? Comic book characters have feelings too y'know

 

[Saint]

My main issue, and that's not to say people around here, is that nine times out of ten, the "argument" (and I use that term loosely) against Robin amounts to little more than childish insults, homophobia, and otherwise close-mindedness.

It's fine if you think he simply wouldn't fit into the story, or you prefer a solo Batman. But it so often gets so ugly and mean-spirited whenever Robin is even mentioned.

And yeah, that includes Christian Bale. Brilliant actor, and seems like a cool guy, but his comments on Robin border on immature and ignorant. Crapping on the hard work of 70 years worth of quality writing isn't cool. I think "not my cup of tea" would suffice.

I'm almost amazed at how ugly the argument gets, especially since our side already lost. Nolan made his decision. He's not going to be in these movies, so it seems silly to me to start spewing hate when people talk about him. It almost seems like these people are insecure; perhaps they fear that, by talking about him, we might cause him to exist.

Of course, if Nolan did use Robin, I am sure it would kick ass--and then all these posts of hate would look ridiculous, so I can see why people would be afraid of that. Nobody wants to look ridiculous.