The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!! - Part 1

[the dmg]

Hello, posters, look at Robin. Now back to Batman, now back at Robin, now back to Batman. Sadly he isn’t Batman, but if Batman got zapped by the Omega Sanction he could be.
Look down, back up. Where are you? You are in a cave with the Batman you dream of. What’s in your hand, back at me, I have it, it’s an oyster with two tickets to that Zorro movie you love. Look again, Batman's parents are now dead!


Everything is possible when you read comics. I’m in a flying batmobile.

Nicely done.

 

[bonesawmcgraw]

I'm almost amazed at how ugly the argument gets, especially since our side already lost. Nolan made his decision. He's not going to be in these movies, so it seems silly to me to start spewing hate when people talk about him. It almost seems like these people are insecure; perhaps they fear that, by talking about him, we might cause him to exist.

Of course, if Nolan did use Robin, I am sure it would kick ass--and then all these posts of hate would look ridiculous, so I can see why people would be afraid of that. Nobody wants to look ridiculous.

Which is why we won't see Robin in a Nolan movie.

 

[DaveMoral]

^Robin hasn't been ridiculous in 20 yrs, arguably more than that even when he was still wearing the original costume. Heck, of all the characters in Batman comics that have had a successful spin-off book... Robin's ran the longest. And the stories have been great!

 

[Drz]

Which is why we won't see Robin in a Nolan movie.

So you're saying Nolan is fine with changing Batman's costume, but not Robin's so he won't ever add him?

I have to agree with Saint, it seems people are very very insecure and afraid of different opinions. The amount of hostility and forced negative arguments is astonishing.

 

[Shemtov]

I would have no problem if there's a sub-plot where a teen-ager named Dick Grayson believes Batman isn't so bad and imitates him as "Nightwing" and Bruce tries to dissuade him.

 

[Secret Fawful]

Explain to me what makes Nightwing so much better as a fit to do the story of Batman's partner, heir, and grounding in humanity without using the suit as an example.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Batman will always be learning, but there's varying degrees of learning. He's still taking his baby steps in Nolan's movies. In TDK he only just learned about the type of psychotic freak criminal like the Joker exists.

Forget time frame, and issues in the comics. Look at the movies in terms of Batman's progression as a character. He's not ready to take on a partner yet. He literally just accepted his role as Batman as being infinite instead of finite at the end of TDK.

I just don't see him being ready to adopt a father figure and mentor role to a young partner yet. Especially in light of his current situation.

Fair enough.

Nicely done.

Thanks guys! t:

Also, I like how it's always "I don't like him," as if Robin is one person.

Do you not like Dick Grayson? Do you at least like him when he becomes Nightwing?

Do you not like Jason? Do you not like Tim? What about Stephanie? Carrie?

"Robin" is many characters, all very different from one another.

Is it just the concept?

What if Robin was like, a totally hot, legal chick who Batman boned? THAT WOULD BE AWESOME AND TOTALLY NOT GAY.

They wear fancy suits so they all suck.

Which is why we won't see Robin in a Nolan movie.

 

[Xtroid]

I want a female Robin.

 

[Galactus123]

No Robin. Nightwing maybe

He could use the Batman Begins batsuit without cowl and cape. Then add that blue Nightwing symbol and it would be perfect.

 

[Secret Fawful]

Do you people really want Nightwing? I'll say it again, and repeat this as many times as I have to. Explain to me what makes Nightwing a better fit than Robin to do the story of Batman's partner, heir, and grounding in humanity without using the suit as an example.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Skipping straight to Nightwing without bothering with Robin removes the father and son relationship from their history and makes their partnership a lot less interesting. Batman might as well have pulled one of those fake Batmen aside in TDK and taken him under his wing.

Edit: There seems to be a good number of people stuck on the "Seduction of the Innocent" thing where Batman and Robin were portrayed as gay lovers meant to "corrupt" young readers. I mean, it's fun to look at certain old comic panels and giggle at the (usually unintended) innuendo in some of them, but I thought most comic book fans despised that nut's book and all the censorship it brought about.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Do you people really want Nightwing? I'll say it again, and repeat this as many times as I have to. Explain to me what makes Nightwing a better fit than Robin to do the story of Batman's partner, heir, and grounding in humanity without using the suit as an example.

It IS just the suit. And the age. Since they're the same character, heh.

It's like a Spider-Man fan wanting Eddie Brock to show up as Anti-Venom without doing Venom first. If you don't lay the groundwork of the character's first identity, the second one doesn't make sense. Nightwing without Robin is not Nightwing; he's just another vigilante. Isn't that the type of **** we frown upon? Nightwing in Name Only?

But there are people around here wanting Bane to be a heavily armor merc/ex-cop/Black Mask-Deadshot hybrid (whatever the hell that means), so nothing surprises me.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Which is why we won't see Robin in a Nolan movie.

Anywhoo.... I like most fans of the comic book character Batman would love to see Robin done well on film. But I'd rather not see his character bastardized for the sake of this film. In Nolan's original Batman project Robin would have been a main character, he was going to adapt DKR, for those interested. But so far in Nolan's films he just hasn't been able to fit. Begins showed us Batman's origin, Bruce didn't even know how to be Batman, let alone train someone else to be Batman. In The Dark Knight we're still early in the career but it would have had a better chance than Begins, but the mob was all but destroyed by Joker and Two-Face. The Dark Knight Rises could very well be the remnants of the mob being rebuilt by Bane so he can become the new king of Gotham. If there is a fourth movie, a vague sequel then Robin could be introduced as the mob attacks the circus. Keep up the story of Dark Victory with the movie universes twists, like Dick acting like Lucius as an Oracle type figure. Dick could go out, flexing his detective skills, trying to discover who killed the Graysons. Maybe wearing the circus suit (Black and red one). And at the end of the movie, becomes Nightwing after customizing himself a Batsuit, when Batman cannot take down foes alone.

 

[the amazing fro]

I think the main hangup with robin (and one that I admit is a valid point) is his age and the question of "why would batman put a young boy in danger?" The only way of getting rid of that is making him older but the older you make him the more the whole father/son aspect decreases. Also by making him older you change the whole poignancy of his origin resembling batman's. A 10-15 year old losing his parents is a lot different to a 20-30 year old losing his parents (not that its any worse or better its just different).

So its a toughie. What do you want to sacrifice the suspension of disbelief or the characters relevance to the mythos?
also Anyone who says the costume is a problem is misguided (to put it politely). Costumes can be changed.

 

[the amazing fro]

EDIT wot wot

 

[COMPO]

What if he's what twelve in the first film he's in and kind of helps Batman at the end but gets captured like Tim Drake in the Batman cartoon yet still showing he's got some skill and then have the next movie be set like three years or so later where we have a robin who is in his mid-teens he's been trained by Batman and is ready to go out on his first mission.

 

[the amazing fro]

What if he's what twelve in the first film he's in and kind of helps Batman at the end but gets captured like Tim Drake in the Batman cartoon yet still showing he's got some skill and then have the next movie be set like three years or so later where we have a robin who is in his mid-teens he's been trained by Batman and is ready to go out on his first mission.

I would say 13 instead of 12 (what difference does one year make, I hear you cry? The answer: I don't know but it just does) but the rest sounds all good

 

[Rowsdower!]

Just my two cents, but I really don't want to see Robin in Nolan's Batverse. With the emphasis on realism, a young kid fighting crime would just get killed and going with an older guy takes away from the essence of the character, so why bother? Plus, I'd like the focus to stay on Batman. I don't think there's a need to fit in other hero characters and their individual subplots. That's how you get Iron Man 2 (not a terrible movie, but a movie with a few too many characters).

 

[Bat-Mite]

I think the main hangup with robin (and one that I admit is a valid point) is his age and the question of "why would batman put a young boy in danger?" The only way of getting rid of that is making him older but the older you make him the more the whole father/son aspect decreases. Also by making him older you change the whole poignancy of his origin resembling batman's. A 10-15 year old losing his parents is a lot different to a 20-30 year old losing his parents (not that its any worse or better its just different).

So its a toughie. What do you want to sacrifice the suspension of disbelief or the characters relevance to the mythos?
also Anyone who says the costume is a problem is misguided (to put it politely). Costumes can be changed.

The best way to deal with that controversy is to confront it head on in the story itself. It makes for some good drama.

 

[the amazing fro]

The best way to deal with that controversy is to confront it head on in the story itself. It makes for some good drama.

Robin Year one is awesome (far far far better than Dark Victory. Robin is barely in it).When Robin is introduced maybe in the next series this is the book they should come to first.

 

[Two-Face]

No Robin. Nightwing maybe

He could use the Batman Begins batsuit without cowl and cape. Then add that blue Nightwing symbol and it would be perfect.

How will that work? He HAS to be Robin before you can move onto Nightwing. You have to tell his past or don't do it all.

 

[Knight Rise]

How will that work? He HAS to be Robin before you can move onto Nightwing. You have to tell his past or don't do it all.

Thats what people have been trying to say

 

[EternalMaster]

Nolan Batman has been guilt-tripping over possibly ruining other people's lives. He just lost Rachel last film and was pretty broken up over it.

I just don't get how some people here think Robin would logically fit into the third film after what transpired in the last one.

 

[DarkKnight FTW]

I'm not for Robin being in TDKR but I always liked the way BTAS handled it by having him be Robin through college, he went to Gotham U, and then he moved on to Nightwing after.

 

[Two-Face]

Nolan Batman has been guilt-tripping over possibly ruining other people's lives. He just lost Rachel last film and was pretty broken up over it.

I just don't get how some people here think Robin would logically fit into the third film after what transpired in the last one.

I agree.