Official Relationship Thread: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

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You've got the internet obviously since you're posting on here. Do a google search. When I was getting into running, I thought it'd be fun to run with a group, so I did a search for running groups. Found one where everyone met at a bar, we'd go for a run, then have some drinks. It was that easy. Before I met my wife, she moved to a new city for a year for school, she always liked to knit, but always found it more fun to do in a group setting, she looked online, found a group of girls that did it. She just emailed one and joined the group.

You're in a new city, expand your horizons, get out of your comfort zone, try something new. What's something you've always wanted to try, but never got around to it, do that.

Well I can't think of anything i've always wanted to try but never got around to... that isn't really odd or expensive.

Like i've always wanted to learn how to hack a computer. I've always wanted to learn how to pick a lock, or hot wire a car :funny:

Or I wish I had the money to learn to drive, or to travel a bit more.

I've definitely done the google thing. And I did find one film club that goes and sees films together... but I dunno, I just enjoy those hobbies as something that I do alone. I don't particularly enjoy going to the cinema with groups of people.

I like poker, I like playing pool, I like darts, I like quizzes, I like comedy nights, I like open mic nights... all those things happen in pubs/clubs.

I think I just have to figure out a way to either grow a pair and just learn to say no to alcohol even in that setting, or have a bit more control over how much I drink and who I drink with.

Drinking is fun... I'd stick with doing that.

:hehe:
 
Well I can't think of anything i've always wanted to try but never got around to... that isn't really odd or expensive.

Like i've always wanted to learn how to hack a computer. I've always wanted to learn how to pick a lock, or hot wire a car :funny:

Or I wish I had the money to learn to drive, or to travel a bit more.

I've definitely done the google thing. And I did find one film club that goes and sees films together... but I dunno, I just enjoy those hobbies as something that I do alone. I don't particularly enjoy going to the cinema with groups of people.

I like poker, I like playing pool, I like darts, I like quizzes, I like comedy nights, I like open mic nights... all those things happen in pubs/clubs.

I think I just have to figure out a way to either grow a pair and just learn to say no to alcohol even in that setting, or have a bit more control over how much I drink and who I drink with.

:hehe:

Yeah, but part of the film club is probably hanging out after the movie and talking about it. Haven't you ever left a movie and want to talk about it with someone?
 
No, but I think I need to be a fun, confident and social person in order to attract the kind of man i'd be attracted to. Because i'm not attracted to people that wanna stay in and watch tv, or never wanna go out and socialise, or never wanna do anything spontaneous and crazy.

Besides, that's my 'me' time. Lazing around doing nothing is what I do when i'm by myself, or with my closest friends.

And the other thing is, i've never courted anyone in a normal way. I have absolutely no idea how to do it, or how anyone does it for that matter :(
Isn't that what your SO will eventually end up being? :cwink: The going out thing does kinda get old for me. Fiance and I have the most fun when we're lazying around doing random stuff. Usually going out means a good conversation, but it's still always just the two of us sharing a quiet meal.

25. Depressingly old to still not have sorted my life out.
Eh, 25's still young. I had a housemate who was 36 and still got trashed on the weekends to de-stress. But I guess it's different when you have a job and your career is on the up-and-up and you drink to de-stress from the workweek. As opposed to drinking when your life is very up in the air.

You've got the internet obviously since you're posting on here. Do a google search. When I was getting into running, I thought it'd be fun to run with a group, so I did a search for running groups. Found one where everyone met at a bar, we'd go for a run, then have some drinks. It was that easy. Before I met my wife, she moved to a new city for a year for school, she always liked to knit, but always found it more fun to do in a group setting, she looked online, found a group of girls that did it. She just emailed one and joined the group.

You're in a new city, expand your horizons, get out of your comfort zone, try something new. What's something you've always wanted to try, but never got around to it, do that.
I've had to tell several people today that they could find useful resources on the internet. :funny:

Have you tried http://www.meetup.com/ ? I was looking to network for job-related stuff, and it actually looks pretty legit for that. It's not all singles clubs, but groups revolving around real interests.
 
Grargh, the ER?! :wow: Are you doing okay?

Being worked into the grave is IMO never good. IIRC isn't a non-managerial retail job? Being worked like that is not worth it ESPECIALLY for a job like that! You're young, you shouldn't be suffering so much for a job that isn't your lifelong dream/passion.

I know what you mean about the inadequacy thing. I'm super-shy in person and would never be able to ask someone out, or flirt without knowing if they were attracted to me first. That's why they invented online dating. :oldrazz:

And IMO someone is only settling if they're with someone who treats them like crap. Obviously that includes already-attached people, cheaters, abusers, etc. If someone isn't as attractive as you (which is always subjective anyway) or makes as much money as you, but they treat you exceedingly well, is that really settling? And that's not something you can sense right away.

I have 3 jobs. Civil Service, Concert Merchandiser, and a Sports Apparel retail job. Sports apparel one is a side job at the most, the other two are my main jobs and when I work both in the same day, i'm easily working 16-20 hours. I've been working 50+ hours a week for a while now.

i am pretty outgoing for the most part, but like you said, when it comes to asking a guy out and the like, i'm too shy to do it. as for the settling part, i don't care about the money and all that stuff as much as I do something substantial. i couldn't be with a guy who was happy barely scraping by and not doing anything to better himself.
 
I have 3 jobs. Civil Service, Concert Merchandiser, and a Sports Apparel retail job. Sports apparel one is a side job at the most, the other two are my main jobs and when I work both in the same day, i'm easily working 16-20 hours. I've been working 50+ hours a week for a while now.

i am pretty outgoing for the most part, but like you said, when it comes to asking a guy out and the like, i'm too shy to do it. as for the settling part, i don't care about the money and all that stuff as much as I do something substantial. i couldn't be with a guy who was happy barely scraping by and not doing anything to better himself.
50 hours a week is actually pretty normal. My cousin says his dad actually CRITICIZES him if he spends less than 60 hours a week at work. :oldrazz: But most people space it out over the course of 5 days, not two....:o Is there really no way to space out your jobs so you aren't working for 20 hours straight and then spending the next two days crashing? That's the part that's not healthy, IMO. Only ER doctors should have shifts like that....

I get what you mean about the ambition part. I couldn't be with a guy like that either. Unfortunately, I think they are more common if you work with or hang out with people who work entry-level jobs. Most of them aren't, say, writing a screenplay in their spare time....although my friends are, cause that's how we roll in Los Angeles. :oldrazz:
 
Well, yeah... the people of SHH :funny:

Don't really know what to say then, you seem to want to make a change, but want it to fall in your lap instead of looking or working for it. Waiting for that dare to be great situation never works, you've gotta search for it and until you do, nothing will change.
 
Isn't that what your SO will eventually end up being? :cwink: The going out thing does kinda get old for me. Fiance and I have the most fun when we're lazying around doing random stuff. Usually going out means a good conversation, but it's still always just the two of us sharing a quiet meal.


Eh, 25's still young. I had a housemate who was 36 and still got trashed on the weekends to de-stress. But I guess it's different when you have a job and your career is on the up-and-up and you drink to de-stress from the workweek. As opposed to drinking when your life is very up in the air.

Yeah eventually a potential SO would be that... but we're talking about the beginning of a relationship, which needs to be a bit more exciting for me than just meeting and then going round each others houses to watch tv.

Also, TBH, when I was working drinking was still just as much of a problem. But at least I felt like my life was still in control.

Don't really know what to say then, you seem to want to make a change, but want it to fall in your lap instead of looking or working for it. Waiting for that dare to be great situation never works, you've gotta search for it and until you do, nothing will change.

That's fair enough. I know I do need to actually do something instead of just whining about it, so maybe I should just go along to one of these things instead of coming up with pessemistic excuses not too. :)
 
Or you could hide under a blanket and hope that somehow everything works out. Works more often than you think. :o
 
Or you could hide under a blanket and hope that somehow everything works out. Works more often than you think. :o

Yeah that sounds good actually. Maybe I could even make a fort out of pillows :p
 
Also, TBH, when I was working drinking was still just as much of a problem. But at least I felt like my life was still in control.
Didn't you work at a bar? Just saying, its like asking me to work at a home for wayward women and not do something. :o

Secondly, you don't need a gym if you want to exercise, you can just run around your area.
 
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Nah, I don't feel bad. Although she made things incredibly awkward...
Yeah some people are jerks and make a big deal out of it. It's not all that different from trying to hit on someone who already has a boyfriend, IMO.
 
"Look lady, I"m sorry. I saw a cute girl and thought I'd take a shot. Had no idea you were into the ladies......but now that you mention it, you do have pubic hair stuck in your teeth.....could go either way I know but.....just sayin'." :o
 
You're looking at things the wrong way, you need to find a happy balance of everything in your life. You seem to think it's all or nothing. When I met my wife I was very comfortable in my own skin, I had a job I wasn't happy with, but it paid the bills and afforded me a fun life, had a good group of friends, but also had my own things going on too. It's not about burying yourself in one single thing and putting all your effort into that, it's about being okay with yourself, knowing that if you don't find someone that's okay, but it'd be a lot better if you had someone to share experiences with. I was cool with being by myself, but also knew if I wanted to hang out with people they were there.

I completely understand about finding a balance, and yeah maybe I am a bit "all or nothing" but my point is that in an ideal relationship it's not about the fact that you're balancing each other out coz you're opposites and filling in some sort of role that your beloved other lacks on her own; in an ideal relationship you're balancing each other out because you're compatible with each other. Because you share more things in common on a deeper level.

Other than that, I understand both what you and Anita are trying to say completely :)

I think you missed Anita's point, it's not about filling traditional roles, it's about that person having your back. Knowing that when the chips are down there's someone there that will help pick you up. Like when she's having a bad day or week or month at work, just listening to her as she unloads her feelings and interjecting every so often to try and help her work through the problem. Or when either of you are sick, letting that other person take care of you, not because they feel obligated, but because they care and it makes them feel good to help you get better. It's not gender roles, just helping and having the other's back.

No I got that, I was saying how some of the people around me tend to go back to that idea of filling traditional roles and are determined by it. I'm compelled to believe that some of the girls around here think the same way. I don't. That could prove to be a problem one of these days.

You seem to have an attraction to her and are just too scared to let your guard down and open yourself up in the fear of getting hurt. However, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

The thing is when you listen to Anita's story of what it took to get that compatibility is taking the risk. Saying what the hell, I'll give this guy a try, she didn't give up right off the bat. That's the thing you've got to be willing to take the risk, yeah, you might get hurt, but at some point you'll find the person you're compatible with.

Yeah... no honestly, I can't argue against this.



I want to stress the point to this whole idea of being a WORKAHOLIC: most of the time (and I'm sure I'm not alone on this in this thread) we're talking about being austere and denying ourselves an active social life or a committed relationship because we're afraid on one hand that it'll interfere with that all-important work, that it'll compromise our efficiencies at work, or that we won't be able to give a satisfying commitment to the other person because of that prior engagement with work. I certainly suffer from that. And I think what you're trying to say is that there's always a place where there's a balance, where as a workaholic I might be able to do a better job at my job if I'm fulfilled emotionally and I do have a fulfilling personal life.

But it just sounds like propaganda :oldrazz: Either that or I really am more scared that I'm aware of.
 
:funny: Yeah I missed that part of Nave's post. Lucky for him too, or else I would have brought out the :argh: big time!

Supportive doesn't mean "physically taking care of me," although he is better at killing spiders than I am. I'm more comfortable walking around at night by myself than he is, for one. :funny: It's not really a traditional role.

I think everyone's goal for a relationship is to form a partnership such that the whole of it is greater than the sum of its parts. I'd be fine without him, but I acknowledge that he makes me a better person. And vice versa.

And I dunno, I don't have much respect for the whole "filling traditional roles" thing. Like my coworker has a fairly traditional marriage, but she's career-ambitious too! So she ends up doing both her work stuff and all the home-stuff, and resents her husband for bossing her around like she doesn't have enough to do! He's holding her back, he won't let her fulfill her potential, and for that reason alone, I don't think they should be together. Your partner should not hold you back from your dreams.

No no no! I was saying how "fulfilling traditional roles" is being used by people around me as a way to justify their dating habits. :funny: my stance on traditional role division is anything BUT traditional.


What do you mean by 100%? Cause I assure you, it's a very very rare relationship that starts at 100%. They can certainly progress very quickly (I do know people who got married within a year of meeting), but I don't know anyone who met their partners and was immediately committed to marrying them. That's just like....incredibly unrealistic. :funny:

It all starts with getting to know them first. You can't go 100% in without getting to know the person.

I know what you mean by that, and that's exactly what I'm saying: you start by getting to know the person. By 100% I mean how, in the past, I've tried to make it to a 100% but people seem to want to back away from it. And it's not just about romantic relationships either, I'm talking friends, family, all around. So yeah, to say that I'm a bit skeptical about people after all that wouldn't be an understatement. :(

It's like... you want to make new friends, be better friends, a more involved son or brother or whatever, but they don't want you to be. They shrink away when you're starting to open up, they get uncomfortable. For years I thought this was some sort of social problem on my part, that maybe I wasn't reading "traditional roles" right (y'know, keep your distance, don't talk about your romantic problems with your sister, etc.) and hell, maybe it's better if I do think it's my fault coz that way I'd probably try to be better in the future, blaming others isn't exactly going to do anyone any good. So I restrain.

Right now I'm convinced that unless I don't learn to mature up a bit I'm not ready for a relationship. And then pot-head girl phones me up and says if I heard about the new poetry reading gig this weekend, and that she'd go if she could find someone who's going and can keep her entertained. Then when I ignore that, she says how that lunch we had last week was a "great" time for her and that we ought to do it again sometime.

:dry:

(I actually feel mean, I do find her attractive, I do love the attention she's giving me, I just don't think I'm in a good enough place to start dating right now).

She has a boyfriend.

:dry: okay.

i'm finally getting to the point where i am realizing that i need to slow down and quit working myself into the grave (being sent from work to the ER saturday helped emphasize that point)

but for the first time in a long time i actually feel like i'd be ok dating, but the only guys hitting on me are engaged, married, 10+ years older than me and i'm not interested in pursuing that at all. the guys i do like, i start to feel... inadequate and then i kinda just let it sit on the back burner.

i don't want to settle for less than i deserve or want, but sometimes that debbie downer voice in the back of my head tries to tell me that that might be all i'm gonna get :/

Okay first off--ER!? seriously? What'd you do to yourself? I can relate a little to this only mine wasn't as serious as getting into the emergency room (that last post about stress-induced tumours and ulcers). I'd lost so much weight in the past 6 months that now if I don't eat every 2-3 hours I get these *****ing stomach cramps that don't go away until I eat something. Doc thinks its ulcers and wants to run some of those zany new-age probing tests that I'm not convinced I want to do.

As for being a workaholic, like I said before -- I think we're prone to keep relationships and people at arm's length for a reason, but maybe an emotionally fulfilling relationship would only make the workaholic be better at work? Even if he or she's quite stable emotionally without a partner, with a partner might significantly boost morale or some *****.

Just don't ask Bruce Wayne.
 
Yeah that sounds good actually. Maybe I could even make a fort out of pillows :p

I read your post about the drinking problem... it seems like a recurring theme dude. Maybe you need find some way to channel all that somewhere else? There's no point in drinking casually if you're going to get drunk.
 
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