Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[danoyse]

Guys...things are starting to get unfriendly in here again. I posted a reminder just yesterday about needing this conversation to be had in a civil manner if you want this thread to stay open. I will close this thread if you are incapable of doing so.

 

[danoyse]

Minority or not, not all people have their attention on Star Wars. So its not "all attention is on Marvel and Star Wars films", there's also other Disney films out there, especially if you go outside of this forum.

Yes, but if you think Frozen pushed those films towards the back of the room, you wouldn't be right about that. Because...no.

 

[psylockolussus]

Go read my posts in the last page and I definitely didn't say that. I just don't think Disney is all about Marvel/Star Wars that when someone mentions Disney, its automatically about a Marvel film or Star Wars. There's so many other things going for Disney right now.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Agreed.

I'm not sure why some of you guys and gals are "shocked" that this change is coming; the writing has been on the wall for months. And personally I welcome it. Do you know what this could mean for these characters? ACCURACY.

When the first X-Men film came out there was no other game in town. Now, there is and FOX is clearly doing what's necessary to keep pace. In my opinion, the OT series always felt like another timeline anyway--definitely nothing from the 616 era of Marvel's X-Men. I don't recognize any of the characters on screen save Xavier and Magneto. Logan is there in spirit. But what makes Logan work in the comics is that the runt has a larger than life personality. That is lost with the 6'4 uber-hot Hugh Jackman (although I will forever applaud his performance).

But why not see these characters on the silver screen as they were intended to be? The comics have continued to sell for 40-plus years for a reason. Could it be because their character dynamics work? I want my Bobby/Ice-Man to be a jokester. I want my Storm to be Marvel's equivalent of a commanding Wonder Woman. And I want Scott in charge. These dynamics have worked for decades. And yet, we've gotten none of this over the last 13 years. Why the hell some would mourn this "Else-worlds" take on X-Men is just beyond me. I really don't understand it.

Nell, you say you've become emotionally invested with these characters. How? The only character that has ever been truly fleshed out is Wolverine. To smaller extents Xavier and Magneto have had their stories shared. But what about everyone else? We know little--if nothing at all--of the other X-Men.

And that's a shame.

How?

Simple, Lightning - I don't agree with you.

In my opinion, the movies did an excellent job of capturing these characters and portraying them in the movie universe. Were they 100% accurate? No. And I am certainly disappointed where some of the things didn't hit right. But I 100% disagree with you that the main trilogy got them wrong. I think the main trilogy got things mostly right, and in many ways, got them BETTER than the comics. Yea, Storm and Iceman kinda sucked. Yea, I hate that Cyclops got killed and Rogue took the cure. But that's really about all I can think of. Everything else was pretty close to spot on in my book.

A reboot won't get everything right, and will come with it's own flaws, and get it's own characters wrong, so I don't know why people are looking at a reboot as some sort of cure all incapable of ****ing anything up.

But, we've spent 13 years with this adaptation, and I see no reason to toss it aside for some NEW vision that's going to **** it's own stuff up and be just as wrong as the current version ever was.

I also don't see how someone can bash the main trilogy, but then turn around and champion the First Class version of the series, when X-Men: First Class got way more wrong in terms of comic book accuracy than probably the previous 4 movies -combined-.

 

[Naji Assan]

How?

Simple, Lightning - I don't agree with you.

In my opinion, the movies did an excellent job of capturing these characters and portraying them in the movie universe. Were they 100% accurate? No. And I am certainly disappointed where some of the things didn't hit right. But I 100% disagree with you that the main trilogy got them wrong. I think the main trilogy got things mostly right, and in many ways, got them BETTER than the comics. Yea, Storm and Iceman kinda sucked. Yea, I hate that Cyclops got killed and Rogue took the cure. But that's really about all I can think of. Everything else was pretty close to spot on in my book.

A reboot won't get everything right, and will come with it's own flaws, and get it's own characters wrong, so I don't know why people are looking at a reboot as some sort of cure all incapable of ****ing anything up.

But, we've spent 13 years with this adaptation, and I see no reason to toss it aside for some NEW vision that's going to **** it's own stuff up and be just as wrong as the current version ever was.

I also don't see how someone can bash the main trilogy, but then turn around and champion the First Class version of the series, when X-Men: First Class got way more wrong in terms of comic book accuracy than probably the previous 4 movies -combined-.

I don't get why you're so against this method of reboot. The 13 years of storytelling you loved are still relevant to Xavier and Wolverine who will remember the old timeline when Days of Future Past starts the new one.

We coulda gotten a complete reboot but instead Singer found a way to make things work (as did Abrams).

The franchise was in a corner after X3. Either way something had to reinvigorate it.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And yet this will be the 4th movie since X-Men 3... more movies than before X-Men 3... so obviously X-Men 3 didn't kill the franchise nor paint it into a corner...

 

[BMM]

It wasn't said that X-Men: The Last Stand killed the franchise. It was said that X-Men: The Last Stand painted the franchise into a corner and that the franchise needs reinvigorating. Obviously, Naji Assan isn't alone in that assessment. Otherwise, Bryan Singer wouldn't be openly discussing using the first direct sequel to X-Men: The Last Stand (that isn't a Wolverine spin-off) as a means to also "fix s---."

 

[X-Maniac]

And yet this will be the 4th movie since X-Men 3... more movies than before X-Men 3... so obviously X-Men 3 didn't kill the franchise nor paint it into a corner...

I'm not one of the rabid haters of X3 but it's clear it left a nasty taste (by not rounding off character arcs in a satisfying way) and many people lost faith. The franchise has struggled since then with every film it has released.

DoFP should hopefully restore the faith and allow the franchise to move forwards. Thankfully, First Class (even though not a massive success) easily provides the ready-made platform for a DoFP storyline (as the past setting and actors are already in place), so it's almost like they knew they were going to do this all along.

 

[Angamb]

yes, Ive got this thought for some time now.

Its like all of this was somehow planned a long time ago, and not just last year.

First Class and then DOFP with both cast seems like the smartest plan Fox and Singer could have done. so..... if this was in discussions years ago.... Props to them!

 

[X-Maniac]

yes, Ive got this thought for some time now.

Its like all of this was somehow planned a long time ago, and not just last year.

First Class and then DOFP with both cast seems like the smartest plan Fox and Singer could have done. so..... if this was in discussions years ago.... Props to them!

They have always wanted to do DoFP. It just got pushed to the top of the list after The Avengers box office woke everyone up and First Class didn't perform as well as expected.

 

[Angamb]

I think Matthew and Fox wanted somehow a FC trilogy almost back to back

but for some reason, Lauren and Singer pushed for Days of future past and curiously Singer ended getting the job.

Lauren has been wanting to do this story since X3 days I think, and Im sure she played a big role on this and getting Singer back on the franchise back in 2009, with the FC treatment.

Maybe the original plan was to shot two FC movies and then DOFP, but yeah, Avengers more than likely had a big impact on their plan change.

 

[Naji Assan]

I'm not one of the rabid haters of X3 but it's clear it left a nasty taste (by not rounding off character arcs in a satisfying way) and many people lost faith. The franchise has struggled since then with every film it has released.

DoFP should hopefully restore the faith and allow the franchise to move forwards. Thankfully, First Class (even though not a massive success) easily provides the ready-made platform for a DoFP storyline (as the past setting and actors are already in place), so it's almost like they knew they were going to do this all along.

It definitely happened after Origins, ironically around the same time Singer returns to the franchise (he was flirting with the idea of directing First Class).

My guess is it took Singer to tell them "Look how bad things have gotten story-wise, guys." Origins was critically panned deservingly so. It made money but was the lowest point the franchise reached. I think Singer came back to the rescue and saw an opportunity for a Star Trek '09 style reboot (this was a year after Abrams' movie).

First Class gets critical acclaim, makes decent money, but above all begins the reboot process. Sets it up.

Now with Days of Future Past what was once a franchise where Xavier, Cyclops, Jean and Deadpool are dead, can feature all those characters in younger, arguably better forms along with a rejuvenated and fierce Magneto.

The cherry on top being the ageless Wolverine and the franchise's champion Hugh Jackman who's stuck to the series through thick and thin. Good or bad he's always been there.

Now we can have the roster fans of the books always wanted and one that general audiences will love.

 

[Angamb]

from a business point of view it doesnt make sense to get original actors back 8 years later to bring the faith back but just to recast all roles in two years.

When all the producers have said that they actually see another movie with original cast and Singer is more than likely back to stay.... now way they will stop here, lol.

No when Marvel is building their big saga with the same cast and when Warner is making big steps to get the whole Justice League on screen.

 

[Naji Assan]

from a business point of view it doesnt make sense to get original actors back 8 years later to bring the faith back but just to recast all roles in two years.

When all the producers have said that they actually see another movie with original cast and Singer is more than likely back to stay.... now way they will stop here, lol.

No when Marvel is building their big saga with the same cast and when Warner is making big steps to get the whole Justice League on screen.

The roles are already recast. McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Hoult. They're the future of the series, along with Jackman, whoever ends up playing Cyclops, Jean and Storm in three years.

Stewart, McKellen, Berry, Paquin, Page, Ashmore, Cudmore...they're back to serve the story and to go out with a bang. Not to usurp the franchise from their younger replacements.

 

[Angamb]

This is another eternal discussion.

Fox can do both movies, FC can introduce young Cyclops and Jean, but Fox cant use the whole gang in the past and the producers along with Singer know it, so no way they will lost a good part of the team, when the other studios are making bigger and bigger universes each year.

Fox, Singer and Lauren wont waste the opportunity of doing another huge movie with the whole OT cast, they know now the potential of that movie and they wont waste it.

Only time will tell.

 

[Naji Assan]

This is another eternal discussion.

Fox can do both movies, FC can introduce young Cyclops and Jean, but Fox cant use the whole gang in the past and the producers along with Singer know it, so no way they will lost a good part of the team, when the other studios are making bigger and bigger universes each year.

Fox, Singer and Lauren wont waste the opportunity of doing another huge movie with the whole OT cast, they know now the potential of that movie and they wont waste it.

Only time will tell.

It makes no sense to use the older cast again.

While Xavier, Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean, Storm and Gambit are fighting Sinister back in the 80s, who are 90-year-old Xavier and Magneto, Wolverine, Rogue, Kitty, Iceman and Colossus fighting in 2024?

There's no easy way to justify a continuation to the old timeline when the whole point of Days of Future Past is to retire it. Its like if Paramount did another Nimoy/Shatner Star Trek.

 

[Manic X]

Why would the OT need to start new movies in 2024? It can start after The Wolverine.
The comics DOFP never continued in the future.

 

[Angamb]

lack of imagination maybe?

 

[Manic X]

LOL this whole thread with everyone 'knowing' exactly what Fox intends to do next makes me laugh.

 

[X-Maniac]

It makes no sense to use the older cast again.

While Xavier, Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean, Storm and Gambit are fighting Sinister back in the 80s, who are 90-year-old Xavier and Magneto, Wolverine, Rogue, Kitty, Iceman and Colossus fighting in 2024?

There's no easy way to justify a continuation to the old timeline when the whole point of Days of Future Past is to retire it. Its like if Paramount did another Nimoy/Shatner Star Trek.

I'm really not sure that they will just ditch the OT cast.

I also think the next film will depend partly on how critics and fans react to DoFP.

If the reviewers are praising the OT cast in the future section of the movie, the studio might not be willing to just dump Halle, Anna, Shawn, Famke, James and Daniel.

 

[X-Maniac]

LOL this whole thread with everyone 'knowing' exactly what Fox intends to do next makes me laugh.

No one is 'knowing' what's next - that's why we're getting this endless discussion about what we think is best for the series. If we knew for sure, there'd be no need for this thread!

 

[Angamb]

If the reviewers are praising the OT cast in the future section of the movie, the studio might not be willing to just dump Halle, Anna, Shawn, Famke, James and Daniel.

actually, its not only those 6 names.

will Fox drop...

Halle Berry
James Marsden
Anna Paquin
Ellen Page
Shawn Ashmore
Daniel Cudmore
Ben Foster
Kelsey Grammer
and Alan Cummin?

Fox and Singer have the WHOLE X-Men team right there to use them if they want it. So to drop all those characters and actors right now would be a big stupid decision.

 

[GuestStar2004]

If the reviewers are praising the OT cast in the future section of the movie, the studio might not be willing to just dump Halle, Anna, Shawn, Famke, James and Daniel.

i doubt halle,anna,shawn famke,james and daniel will get alot of praise, 2 would be cameos, and the others won't have as strong acting roles as wolverine, older magneto,older xavier, and 3 or 4 of the FC cast

its like saying the actor playing quicksilver will get praise for his role... no probably not

as for whether they will give up the OT? I don't think they will but i don't think they are quite up there with how some people think fox see's them, its all wolverine and friends to them, i do believe personally we will see the OT again but probably not for a while

 

[EnDz0n3]

No one is 'knowing' what's next - that's why we're getting this endless discussion about what we think is best for the series. If we knew for sure, there'd be no need for this thread!

Try telling that to Naji Assan. He knows EXACTLY what Bryan's next move is and don't you dare disagree lol

 

[The Guard]

It makes no sense to use the older cast again.

While Xavier, Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean, Storm and Gambit are fighting Sinister back in the 80s, who are 90-year-old Xavier and Magneto, Wolverine, Rogue, Kitty, Iceman and Colossus fighting in 2024?

Apocalypse. It's very doable. It's just unlikely they'll do it.