Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[psylockolussus]

So condescension and sarcasm are your tools when debating. Common sense is mine. This is the part where I realize you hope things turn out the way you want them to rather than how they seem to be coming along. You're entitled to believe Star Trek '09 and The Avengers had no influence on Fox shifting their game plan for this franchise.

If Fox really wanted to take the Star Trek 09, they wouldn't have the effort to bring back the OT gang. It would be just call Hugh Jackman - the Leonard Nimoy of X-Men. LOL! seriously?

And almost everybody from First Class would be back except for the characters that were killed. That wasn't the case for the FC cast but thats the case for the OT cast.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Eh oh here we go

Place your bets now I can see this going on for 2 pages

 

[Naji Assan]

I just can't wait for your reaction when the OT cast comes back for a 5th X-Men film.

I'm pretty sure you didn't expect them to return for the 7th X-Men film because you expected First Class to be the Star Trek 2009 of this franchise.

No, the moment Days of Future Past was announced as the comic they were adapting for the First Class follow up I knew we'd be seeing the older cast. And yes, I seriously doubt the older cast will return after this.

 

[psylockolussus]

Eh oh here we go

Obviously I can't raise an opinion without getting a reaction from you.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I am skeptical If the rumored ending Is one we see on screen may 23 we will
see OT cast besides Hugh Jackman again not because I want a reboot or a trek 2009 situation.I am oppossed to both but that's the situation the rumored
ending Is hinting at If

Spoiler

The ending which hints at Magneto never being a villain,resurrecting cyclops and Jean,and wolverine having no memory at end of most films

Is on screen.

 

[SuperT]

Eh oh here we go

Place your bets now I can see this going on for 2 pages

I'm going to say AT LEAST five to six minimum.

 

[psylockolussus]

No, the moment Days of Future Past was announced as the comic they were adapting for the First Class follow up I knew we'd be seeing the older cast. And yes, I seriously doubt the older cast will return after this.

And you also expected that only 5 people from the FC cast would be back and Havok would just return in a small role?

You're clearly underestimating the OT cast. Yes Fox could easily ditch them for a cast that is more refreshing especially there have been a couple of reboots when it comes comic-book films, but still the cast that banks more money is the OT cast.

They are not bringing them just to give them their swan song. Like I said yesterday and the naysayers did not answer this question:

Do you think this franchise would be in a bigger shape right now if we aren't getting the OT cast next year?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

It is, but its a reboot as well. The reboot process begins after 1973, not before it.

Reboot "process"???

There is no reboot "process". You either reboot, or you don't. The very nature of a reboot does not entail a "process". You just toss everything out and start over.

 

[Naji Assan]

Reboot "process"???

There is no reboot "process". You either reboot, or you don't. The very nature of a reboot does not entail a "process". You just toss everything out and start over.

Fox chose not to reboot the usual way (Batman Begins, The Amazing Spider Man, Man of Steel) and instead concocted a different way to reboot the series. Or maybe Lauren Shuler Donner just watched Star Trek '09.

You seem to have a problem with the direction they're taking. The reboot direction. At least be happy that we're not getting the Amazing Spider Man treatment where we're supposed to forget everything we loved about the portrayals of the characters in that franchise.

Here, we keep Jackman, and despite the fates of all the characters after 1973 not amounting to what happened in the original trilogy, they're still the same characters just younger. In 2017 Fassbender will still be emulating McKellen and McAvoy will still be channeling Stewart.

 

[psylockolussus]

Again, you made it sound like its already official.

 

[Naji Assan]

Again, you made it sound like its already official.

Would you prefer if Fox ditched the younger cast in favor of the older cast and abandoned all plans to establish a shared universe by adapting properties like X-Force, X-Factor, Excalibur, New Mutants, Starjammers and Alpha Flight?

Sounds to me like you just want "OT cast" movies.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Fox chose not to reboot the usual way (Batman Begins, The Amazing Spider Man, Man of Steel) and instead concocted a different way to reboot the series. Or maybe Lauren Shuler Donner just watched Star Trek '09.

You seem to have a problem with the direction they're taking. The reboot direction. At least be happy that we're not getting the Amazing Spider Man treatment where we're supposed to forget everything we loved about the portrayals of the characters in that franchise.

Here, we keep Jackman, and despite the fates of all the characters after 1973 not amounting to what happened in the original trilogy, they're still the same characters just younger. In 2017 Fassbender will still be emulating McKellen and McAvoy will still be channeling Stewart.

And if they wanted to pull a Star Trek 2009, they just would have done that.

Instead of making X-Men Origins: Wolverine, X-Men: First Class, and The Wolverine, and tying them altogether with the main trilogy, as well as to each other, when they were just going to wipe it away with X-Men: Days Of Future Past.

I'd almost agree that X-Men: Days Of Future Past was going to be a Star Trek '09 style reboot - if it weren't for The Wolverine.

If X-Men: Days Of Future Past was intended to come out, and wipe out the main trilogy, and everything that happened before in a method of "soft reboot", then why would they make The Wolverine, all the while making X-Men: Days Of Future Past AT THE SAME TIME, tie The Wolverine so explicitly, clearly, and blatantly to the past movies, most specifically the often shunned X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine?

They wouldn't.

I would agree that the First Class cast will probably be the focus going forward. That doesn't mean that it is a "reboot". It means that it is a recast for a series of prequel movies that may or may not directly and specifically lead into the original X-Men film.

 

[psylockolussus]

Would you prefer if Fox ditched the younger cast in favor of the older cast and abandoned all plans to establish a shared universe by adapting properties like X-Force, X-Factor, Excalibur, New Mutants, Starjammers and Alpha Flight?

Sounds to me like you just want "OT cast" movies.

Umm yes.

Because those spin-offs are risky. If they aren't, Fox would have already released a Deadpool movie, what about a mutant team (that will feature at least 5 mutants) that isn't as well known as the X-Men?

Obviously, if you know how the movie industry works, you would consider these factors. You just don't throw 100 million dollars and hope the mainstream viewers would respond to it very well. Making movies isn't as cheap as releasing comic-books.

 

[Naji Assan]

Umm yes.

Because those spin-offs are risky. If they aren't, Fox would have already released a Deadpool movie, what about a mutant team (that will feature at least 5 mutants) that isn't as well known as the X-Men?

Obviously, if you know how the movie industry works, you would consider these factors. You just don't throw 100 million dollars and hope the mainstream viewers would respond to it very well. Making movies isn't as cheap as releasing comic-books.

Everything you wrote here Marvel/Disney championed in 5 years. They took characters other studios had kept on the shelf for years and assembled them into a billion dollar product.

Fox is starting to figure out that they can do the same. Is it risky? Yes. But the outcome is a Fox Avengers, a thought that's worth the risk.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Again, you made it sound like its already official.

This.

And yes, I seriously doubt the older cast will return after this.

(I meaning your opinion of how it's gonna go, therefore not based on anything concrete)

 

[psylockolussus]

And as if a X-Force film is gonna perform like a Thor movie, as if a New Mutants movie is gonna perform like a Captain America movie. I doubt movies for X-Force, Excalibur, New Mutants, X-Factor would perform very well at the summer. Sony/Disney/WB are using their most-appealing characters in the big screen and you want a X-Men spin-off to compete with them and other blockbuster movies?

It worked for Marvel since the characters they own are so distinct to one another. But X-Men? its always gonna be mutants and mutants and mutants. They will always gonna appear as spin-offs of the X-Men. Its not the same case with MCU. Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America and Thor and soon as GOTG, were introduced as their own thing but they later worked with the characters from the other franchises. But even in Marvel's catalogue, there's a limit to the amount of characters that can headline their own movie.

 

[EnDz0n3]

But it can be argued Cable, Deadpool and Havok were more popular than Thor, Iron Man and GOTG pre-2008 so it doesn't really matter how popular they are in the comics (the general audience wouldn't care if they are A-list, D-list in the comics)

 

[psylockolussus]

But do you think a solo movie for characters will respond well very to the audience? I don't think it will. Plus compare to Disney/Paramount, Fox is very different when it comes to marketing their movies. And when Marvel decided to make their own films, its pretty much common sense that they would release movies for the big four since the other studios already got X-Men, Fantastic Four and Spider-Man.

If The Wolverine can't even compete that much to the box-office takings of TDW, MOS and IR3. What about a X-Force movie, a Deadpool movie competing to movies featuring Spider-Man, Iron Man, Batman, Superman?

And if FOX don't release them in the summer, I'm sure they would perform similar to the Ghost Rider films and Daredevil or worse. And I don't think Fox will be very satisfied with that. Right now, they have the opportunity, to make more films with the OT cast.

 

[Loki882]

No, they would not, what actual evidence do you have to support that statement? You seem to like being pessimistic all over the place, but give no actual evidence to support your views.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't need an evidence for every statement that I have been saying. Just with the box-office earnings of the first six X-Men films, you will know that the movie goers were more supportive to the films that featured the OT cast.

And there hasn't been a single CBM movie that wasn't released in Summer that performed big at the box-office, well except for Thor: The Dark World.

 

[Naji Assan]

But it can be argued Cable, Deadpool and Havok were more popular than Thor, Iron Man and GOTG pre-2008 so it doesn't really matter how popular they are in the comics (the general audience wouldn't care if they are A-list, D-list in the comics)

Exactly.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah maybe it doesn't matter how popular they are in the comics, but that shouldn't mean that Fox should ditch their most appealing cast to make room for spin-offs that would just gross under 300 million.

 

[Naji Assan]

Yeah maybe it doesn't matter how popular they are in the comics, but that shouldn't mean that Fox should ditch their most appealing cast to make room for spin-offs that would just gross under 300 million.

You continue to look at this the wrong way. They're not spinoffs but rather lead-ins.

Here's a simpler way to break this down:

You want Fox to ignore the success story of The Avengers franchise, ditch the young cast and make another "OT cast" X film that will make half a billion at best.

Fox wants to adopt the Marvel/Disney model of smaller films that lead to bigger films. They're gonna gross 400 Million on these smaller films and aim for the billion with the bigger films.

Reading the above, sans your own personal bias, which business strategy seems more plausible? Yours or the studio's?

 

[psylockolussus]

Lead-in to what? A 2017 X-Men movie? The movie goers aren't see it that way when they saw the trailer inside the theater and Fox won't promote it as the lead-in for an upcoming cross-over. Fox didn't promote the Wolverine as a lead-in to DOFP.

Reading the above, sans your own personal bias, which business strategy seems more plausible? Yours or the studio's?

Mine since the studio haven't revealed their plan/schedule for the next 5 years. And hiring writers/directors for Deadpool, X-Force and even The Wolverine 3 doesn't automatically mean those movies will be released anytime soon.

 

[Naji Assan]

Fox didn't promote the Wolverine as a lead-in to DOFP.

But it was. It was the first in the Fox shared universe.

Paramount/Marvel didn't promote Iron Man as an Avengers lead-in either. Too early. But The Incredible Hulk? Tony's scene was in the TV spots.

Trank's Fantastic Four movie will probably have an X-Men presence to get things rolling.