Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[def28]

Bamf said

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that the end sequence has Logan waking up in the mansion, Cyclops and Jean are alive, and Xavier and Magneto are working together. If Cyclops and Jean are alive, then that means the events of the trilogy never took place, and as such, they have been erased. Given James Marsden's recent interview where he basically confirmed he WAS on that flight with Halle, it now appears that there is truth to the James has a cameo at the end speculation, and as such, truth to the wiping of the main trilogy and the inevitable First Class follow ups are now a reboot.

Gotcha, thanks Nell.

I still dont think that confirms the OT cant continue on though. But we'll see.

the question would be:

Will Fox and Singer want to make any other X-Man to really SHINE in a big way?

They gotta play those cards at some point...

 

[Angamb]

hopefully its before 2020

 

[marvelrobbins]

Also

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The ending hints at Magneto possibly never being a villain by him being at Xavier's side In new 2023

If true It strongly suggests the trilogy+The Wolverine are erased by the time
travel.Thus you have a reboot where only FC and 1973 parts of DOFP are In
cannon moving forward.

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The ending has patrick Stewert,Ian Mckellen,Halle Berry,James Marsden,and Famke Janssen playing versions of characters In 2023 but everything we saw of them In past Is now erased from Contunity

People need to accept In ensemble films some characters are going to get focus more than others.The avengers Is still more a Tony Stark and Captain america centric film.Thor,Black Widow,Bruce Banner,Nick Fury,and Especilly Hawkeye get less focus compared to those 2.
If Justice League follows Man of steel Sequel/Batman Reboot I gurante you the focus will be on Superman and Batman.Magneto had just as much focus In
First Class as Wolverine had In X-Men and X2.I don't mention Last Stand because you will never have me trying to defend that film

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If rumored ending Is true and magneto doesn't become a villain after wolverine's time travel mission Magneto may become the wolverine of FC3 and beyond

The focus In DOFP will be on both timeframes Xavier and magneto and Wolverine.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

from a business point of view it doesnt make sense to get original actors back 8 years later to bring the faith back but just to recast all roles in two years.

Why not? It happens all the time. After the original cast of Star Trek ran out of cinematic steam, the Next Generation actors were brought to the silver screen. But NOT before having William Shatner appear in Star Trek: Generations to pass the baton, as it were, to Patrick Stewart's "Jean Luc Picard and the new film cast (and for Captain Kirk to die off gracefully). The same thing happened in 2009 when Leonard Nimoy appeared to christen the new cast of Star Trek under Abrams vision.

Look at another franchise: Star Wars. They are bringing back Mark Hamil, Carrie Fisher and even Harrison Ford to kick off the new film series--which will have new, younger actors.

I believe that Days Of Future Past will be that turning point for this franchise. And it's necessary.

 

[psylockolussus]

from a business point of view it doesnt make sense to get original actors back 8 years later to bring the faith back but just to recast all roles in two years.

Its a bad decision, really, if they recast the OT right after they brought them back! Worse than rebooting Spider-Man.

Then when the next film underperforms at the box-office, fans will wonder why?

 

[psylockolussus]

The roles are already recast. McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Hoult. They're the future of the series, along with Jackman, whoever ends up playing Cyclops, Jean and Storm in three years.

Thats not even a recast.

They are playing the "younger version" of the characters we saw in OT.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Its a bad decision, really, if they recast the OT right after they brought them back! Worse than rebooting Spider-Man.

Then when the next film underperforms at the box-office, fans will wonder why?

Rebooting spiderman was the best thing Sony did

 

[psylockolussus]

It makes no sense to use the older cast again.

While Xavier, Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean, Storm and Gambit are fighting Sinister back in the 80s, who are 90-year-old Xavier and Magneto, Wolverine, Rogue, Kitty, Iceman and Colossus fighting in 2024?

There's no easy way to justify a continuation to the old timeline when the whole point of Days of Future Past is to retire it. Its like if Paramount did another Nimoy/Shatner Star Trek.

And as if the entire OT cast are as old as Nimoy/Shatner, that all of them are in their 80s Thats not even the case.

And Fox could easily come up with a new villain for the OT cast to battle with. Again, you're assuming things like its already official.

Seriously, Xavier, Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean, Storm and oh wait, there's Gambit too fighting back Sinister in the 80s.... thats not even official.

 

[Naji Assan]

And as if the entire OT cast are as old as Nimoy/Shatner, that all of them are in their 80s Thats not even the case.

And Fox could easily come up with a new villain for the OT cast to battle with. Again, you're assuming things like its already official.

Seriously, Xavier, Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean, Storm and oh wait, there's Gambit too fighting back Sinister in the 80s.... thats not even official.

When it becomes official, will you still come here to bash the younger cast and remind everyone how Fox messed up by going with them instead of the older actors?

You're setting yourself up for disappointment with this notion that the older cast was brought back to "help" the younger cast. Your refusal to accept the Avengers influence on the franchise isn't helping either.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

The triumph of The Avengers film is the entire reason we're even getting Days Of Future Past on this scale of production (especially in terms of the budget being spent). It has forced FOX to realize they need to up their game and get competitive with this.

 

[Naji Assan]

The triumph of The Avengers film is the entire reason we're even getting Days Of Future Past. It has forced FOX to realize they can get competitive with this.

Exactly. The franchise that once refused to show The Sentinels, made Juggernaut into a mutant and pretty much ignored all cosmic ties will now embrace all those elements and give us its answer to Thanos with Apocalypse.

"Phase I" (X-Men, X2: X-Men United, X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins: Wolverine and The Wolverine) was good. What's up ahead will be great.

 

[psylockolussus]

When it becomes official, will you still come here to bash the younger cast and remind everyone how Fox messed up by going with them instead of the older actors?

You're setting yourself up for disappointment with this notion that the older cast was brought back to "help" the younger cast. Your refusal to accept the Avengers influence on the franchise isn't helping either.

I'm not even bashing them. If its bashing for you, then I take it you're bashing the OT cast.

Okay we get it, you want a reboot so badly and Fox to copycat MCU's model. But what you're asking is fantasy. Fox is not suddenly gonna jump the reboot bandwagon because the other franchises just did that.

If you don't think the OT cast wasn't brought back for $$$ and just for story purposes, then I think you don't know how to movie industry works. Obviously the OT cast are the "Iron Man" of this franchise, simply because the franchise started/peaked with them. And the success of Avengers made them realize that they could milk the popularity of the OT cast.

 

[psylockolussus]

Exactly. The franchise that once refused to show The Sentinels, made Juggernaut into a mutant and pretty much ignored all cosmic ties will now embrace all those elements and give us its answer to Thanos with Apocalypse.

"Phase I" (X-Men, X2: X-Men United, X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins: Wolverine and The Wolverine) was good. What's up ahead will be great.

If there's a such thing as phases to the X-Men series, I'd say we're already in Phase 3.
Phase 1 - original trilogy
Phase 2 - spin-offs
Phase 3 - long awaited return of the OT cast, altered timeline/s

 

[Naji Assan]

I'm not even bashing them. If its bashing for you, then I take it you're bashing the OT cast.

Okay we get it, you want a reboot so badly and Fox to copycat MCU's model. But what you're asking is fantasy. Fox is not suddenly gonna jump the reboot bandwagon because the other franchises just did that.

If you don't think the OT cast wasn't brought back for $$$ and just for story purposes, then I think you don't know how to movie industry works.

If Fox really felt the OT cast is the goldmine you say they are, then why even involve the younger cast in this movie?

They coulda made present-day 2016 (three years after X3) and set the future in the 2040s.

Or better yet, they coulda just made a direct sequel to X3 five years ago instead of Origins.

I respect the older cast, but its time to let them go. We have a tremendous new cast with actors I never thought would agree to play these characters and we got to keep Jackman. I'm happy.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

For me it's not even about the actors themselves at this point: it's about the characters themselves. There is so much potential being lost with great story-telling because certain actors/characters have dominated each and every movie. The audiences will NEVER accept Logan as a supporting character now because in their mind Hugh Jackman IS The X-Men.

The only way to change that level of thinking is to switch up the players and that happens with the opportunities presented by a reboot.

 

[Naji Assan]

Obviously the OT cast are the "Iron Man" of this franchise, simply because the franchise started/peaked with them. And the success of Avengers made them realize that they could milk the popularity of the OT cast.

Wolverine is the franchise's Iron Man. Not the OT cast.

If there's a such thing as phases to the X-Men series, I'd say we're already in Phase 3.
Phase 1 - original trilogy
Phase 2 - spin-offs
Phase 3 - long awaited return of the OT cast, altered timeline/s

Phases lead up to something. None of what you posted leads up to anything.

The first six films lead to Days of Future Past, completing a "Fox Phase I".

Fantastic Four, X-Force and Wolverine III will lead to the next X-Men, completing Phase II, etc.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

FOX has never planned anything with this franchise. It's always felt very "film-by-the-seat-of-our-pants in my opinion.

I would like it too if DoFP actually lead up to something cohesive. One can always hope.

 

[Naji Assan]

FOX has never planned anything with this franchise. It's always felt very "film-by-the-seat-of-our-pants in my opinion.

I would like it too if DoFP actually lead up to something cohesive. One can always hope.

When Singer returned to the franchise the reboot process began. First Class set the stage, Days of Future Past is the actual show, one in which the events of the first six films culminate.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

When Singer returned to the franchise the reboot process began. First Class set the stage, Days of Future Past is the actual show, one in which the events of the first six films culminate.

That's a great theory. Let's just hope it all makes sense when it's over. Because up till now? The continuity has been pretty f***ed up on high levels of suckitude.

 

[Naji Assan]

That's a great theory. Let's just hope it all makes sense when it's over. Because up till now? The continuity has been pretty f***ed up on high levels of suckitude.

They just needed The Avengers push. As did Warner Bros. and Sony.

Days of Future Past, X-Force, Sinister Six, Batman vs. Superman...none of it woulda happened without The Avengers.

 

[psylockolussus]

If Fox really felt the OT cast is the goldmine you say they are, then why even involve the younger cast in this movie? They coulda made present-day 2016 (three years after X3) and set the future in the 2040s. Or better yet, they coulda just made a direct sequel to X3 five years ago instead of Origins.

I respect the older cast, but its time to let them go. We have a tremendous new cast with actors I never thought would agree to play these characters and we got to keep Jackman. I'm happy.

X-Manic already brought this up and I'm just gonna copy and paste the message:

First Class (even though not a massive success) easily provides the ready-made platform for a DoFP storyline (as the past setting and actors are already in place)

Get it? Instead of hiring new actors to fill the role of the other timeline, they just brought back some of the cast members who already appeared in the prequel and the actors were already signed up for more movies. That would also please the fans of the First Class movie.

And releasing spin-offs was Fox's plan since before X3 was released in theaters. Obviously they wanted to release something different from the OT. But that doesn't mean, they gave up releasing more films with them.

 

[psylockolussus]

Wolverine is the franchise's Iron Man. Not the OT cast.

Whats the top grossing film of MCU before the Avengers? Iron Man
Whats the top grossing X-Men movie of FOX before X-Men: Days of Future Past? X-Men: The Last Stand

Phases lead up to something. None of what you posted leads up to anything.

And as if X1 didn't lead up to X2, X2 didn't lead up to X3, X3 didn't lead up to Wolverine????

Almost every X-Men movie leads up to another movie.

 

[Naji Assan]

Get it? Instead of hiring new actors to fill the role of the other timeline, they just brought back some of the cast members who already appeared in the prequel and they were signed up for more movies. That would also please the fans of the First Class movie.

This is the problem with responding to your posts. You never seem to read mine.

I'll repeat what I said: you didn't need the younger actors to tell this story if the agenda really was to continue with the older cast.

You would set the future in the 2040s and send Kitty's (or Wolverine's) mind back to 2016.

They coulda done the entire film with just the older cast.

So I'll ask again, do you still think they think the older cast is the goldmine you say they are?

Whats the top grossing film of MCU before the Avengers? Iron Man
Whats the top grossing X-Men movie of FOX before X-Men: Days of Future Past? X-Men: The Last Stand

Iron Man is one character. Wolverine is one character. You're comparing the success of a team film to the success of a solo film. Wolverine and Iron Man are characters that are very profitable in their respective franchises when they're on their own.

And as if X1 didn't lead up to X2, X2 didn't lead up to X3, X3 didn't lead up to Wolverine????

Almost every X-Men movie leads up to another movie.

So Iron Man and Iron Man 2 are Phase I over at Marvel/Disney? I'm starting to think you're trying not to understand things out of spite because you don't like where they're going.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'll repeat what I said: you didn't need the younger actors to tell this story if the agenda really was to continue with the older cast.

Sure and you could say the same thing continue with the younger cast. They wouldn't need the OT cast to tell this story if they are just gonna continue with the FC cast. Infact, they could just bring back Hugh Jackman and like 3 to 4 OT characters.

Obviously, Fox saw it as opportunity to mix the FC cast with the OT cast.

So I'll ask again, do you still think they think the older cast is the goldmine you say they are?

Yes they are.

Iron Man is one character. Wolverine is one character. You're comparing the success of a team film to the success of a solo film. Wolverine and Iron Man are characters that are very profitable in their respective franchises when they're on their own.

So Iron Man and Iron Man 2 are Phase I over at Marvel/Disney? I'm starting to think you're trying not to understand things out of spite because you don't like where they're going.

I'm not looking it as 1 character thing. Before the Avengers, the films that featured Iron Man and its supporting cast is the most appealing when it comes to MCU films. For the X-Men, its the films with the original cast.

And about phases, MCU officially announced theirs, Fox has none. So no one knows what are the true phases of the X-Men movies. And you have your definition of "lead-in films". Just because the X-Men movies weren't leading to an Avenger-type of movie. That doesn't mean X1 didn't lead to X2, X2 didn't lead to X3, infact in every movie, they teased whats in store for the next movie. X2 with the Phoenix flame, X3 with Professor X being alive, The Wolverine with the mid credits scene.

 

[Naji Assan]

Sure and you could say the same thing continue with the younger cast.

No, for it to be a film exclusive to the younger cast you'd have to age McAvoy & Fassbender thirty years. Its easier to use Stewart and McKellen.

not looking it as 1 character thing.

Before Avengers, the films that featured Iron Man and its supporting cast is the most appealing when it comes to MCU films.

For the X-Men, its the films with the original cast.

And about Phases, MCU officially announced theirs, Fox has none. So no one knows what are the true phases of the X-Men movies.

There you go again hiding behind the word "official" to escape a debate. We're here to speculate. Nothing is set in stone until it is but we're not gonna wait until it is to try and figure it out.

Also this belief you have that the older cast is more appealing is based mainly on X3's box office. Appeal and money are not the same thing. X3 is one of two hated X films that drove the franchise into a storytelling hole it luckily escaped through First Class.

Last thing, Iron Man leading to Iron Man 2 doesn't mean those two films are one "Phase". A phase is a series of films that culminate in an "event movie", not back to back sequels.