Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[danoyse]

Jesus...

Uh-huh...

I'm just...gonna go see The Hunger Games now.

 

[The Guard]

I don't understand why people are up in arms over the original trilogy possibly being erased.

Those things still very much happened in this franchise and at some point in the timeline, or the events of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST would make no sense in context. It's not like the actual movies are being removed from existence.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It would be such a shame if they'd let McAvoy, Fassbender and Lawrence take a back seat for Hugh. They have a really good thing going on here, and now's the time to take advantage of these acclaimed actors and the compelling characters they're playing if they're really serious about passing the "torch" to them.

Now Stewart and McKellen aren't "acclaimed actors?"

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Jesus...

Uh-huh...

I'm just...gonna go see The Hunger Games now.

Like I said, god forbid someone have a different opinion.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't understand why people are up in arms over the original trilogy possibly being erased.

Those things still very much happened in this franchise and at some point in the timeline, or the events of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST would make no sense in context. It's not like the actual movies are being removed from existence.

You don't understand why someone would be upset that the stories and characters they've loved for the last 13 years are being invalidated?

Days Of Future Past can exist without the last 6 movies, because not one single piece of them leads up to the world of Days Of Future Past. The future events come about because of an individual situation in 1973 and has nothing to do with the events of the main trilogy, or the 2 X-Men movies.

The sole single purpose of X-Men: Days Of Future Past is to tell me that the movies that I have loved for 13 years are no longer valid and no longer a true part of the franchise and no longer count.

And you don't see how I'm "up in arms" about that???

 

[def28]

Now Stewart and McKellen aren't "acclaimed actors?"

Fervid didnt say that in the post you quoted at all. It was about Jackman taking all the time from the FC actors if they are indeed passing the torch here.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's funny how the OT actors are so dismissed by some here.

Patrick Stewert Is perfect translation of Xavier from Comics to screen.Many forget now throughout the 1990's many comic fans wanted him to play Xavier on big screen.Patrick was nominated for emmy for moby dick TV movie

Ian Mckellen Is acclaimed 2 time oscar nominee who also in aother big Franchise Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit

Halle Berry and Anna Paquin have won oscars.Ellen Page has been nominated for a Oscar.Halle also got good notice for HBO film on dorthy dangerir and Anna got good notices for first season of true Blood.

Out of FC/DOFP cast Jennifer lawrence oscar win and Peter Dinklage's emmy win for game of thrones,even more amazing considering how emmys treat genre shows,are on same league as some of OT cast with acclaim.

I didn't even mention Hugh Jackman getting oscar nomination for Les Mes and some think he could get another for Prisoners.

It's time some admit that Is new timeline Is created by time travel of DOFP then X-Men trilogy and the Wolverine are erased.Just admit it those who wanted a reboot you are likely getting it except for first class and 1973 parts of DOFP still count.Some here will like that.Others upset they didn't go all the way.Still others upset like me films they like like X2 and the wolverine are now ilrelvent to future films.

Well anyway I am starting a marathon of comic book films from Superman to this year's crop with fresh eyes and see if my oporion changes.

 

[def28]

[BLACKOUT]It's time some admit that Is new timeline Is created by time travel of DOFP then X-Men trilogy and the Wolverine are erased.[/BLACKOUT]

I think alot of posters here saw that possibility coming if thats what happens. But not everyone needs to admit what happens at the end of the film without having seen it...

 

[Angamb]

there is a spoilers topic and shouldnt that comment be considered a SPOILER?

and if so, isnt that a reason for a ban?

 

[Fervid09]

Now Stewart and McKellen aren't "acclaimed actors?"

Where did I say that?

Jesus, people here are getting way too defensive.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

It's funny how the OT actors are so dismissed by some here.

Its today's instant gratification, sense of entitlement culture.

Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan and the rest aren't "new" so they are taken for granted, cast aside and ultimately unappreciated because "WE NEEDZ TEH REBOOT OH NOEZ!!!!"

 

[Manic X]

Its today's instant gratification, sense of entitlement culture.

Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan and the rest aren't "new" so they are taken for granted, cast aside and ultimately unappreciated because "WE NEEDZ TEH REBOOT OH NOEZ!!!!"

I hate reboots. Have you seen the new Robocop reboot? Looks like trash. I can't wait until it fails so we can reboot it properly.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I hate reboots. Have you seen the new Robocop reboot? Looks like trash. I can't wait until it fails so we can reboot it properly.

I can't wait until it fails so that people can realize that we already have a RoboCop movie, and it's perfectly fine and doesn't need to be redone

 

[marvelrobbins]

Since it has been 20 years since last Robocop I don't have a problem with In theory rebooting Robocop.The problem Is when they do a reboot when the series they now want to say didn't happen Is fresh In people's mind.The 2001 reimaging of planet of the apes happened 25 years after end of original apes franchise.Rise come out 10 years after that.There should be a at least 10 year gap before rebooting.

I don't like what I am seeing for new robocop because it looks like crap compared to original.Robocop has 1 good film.1 soso film.1 crap film and a crap tv show.

Terminator salvation may not have been great but it's far too soon for terminator reboot.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Reboots won't stop being made, it's for kids of today, and as long as they make money reboots will keep happening

 

[The Guard]

You don't understand why someone would be upset that the stories and characters they've loved for the last 13 years are being invalidated?

I don't understand why someone, given the information we have, would believe they're actually being invalidated in any respect with this move. Those movies still exist. You can still pop them in and love those characters and stories. Even if filmmakers were to say "Well, that never happened, so this...", those things still, from a story, character and franchise standpoint, obviously did happen. They had to happen in order for DAYS OF FUTURE PAST to do anything to "erase" them. They just happened prior to the events of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't understand why someone, given the information we have, would believe they're actually being invalidated in any respect with this move. Those movies still exist. You can still pop them in and love those characters and stories. Even if filmmakers were to say "Well, that never happened, so this...", those things still, from a story, character and franchise standpoint, obviously did happen. They had to happen in order for DAYS OF FUTURE PAST to do anything to "erase" them. They just happened prior to the events of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST.

Agreed.

I think I've figured out why some of us are at odds with each other regarding this topic. There is basically two groups forming here:

1.) There is a group of users here who are clearly more attached to the movie-verse than the comics. This group of posters acknowledge that the movie series has not been perfect but they feel that FOX's films retain enough good elements to be acceptable. They cannot see anyone else playing these characters than Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Patrick Stewart, etc.,--or at the very least--are unwilling to embrace new actors take on these iconic roles. They'd rather "live with" what has been given to us. This group reminds me of the Trekkies who were offended in 2008/2009 when the iconic characters of Spock, Kirk, Uhura, etc., were recast with new actors. They also felt that the 1960s series of Star Trek was invalidated by JJ Abrams' 2009 film--even though the filmmakers carefully orchestrated a separate timeline so that both series could exist honorably.

2.) Then there are those of us (myself included) who are more dedicated and attached to the characters as depicted in the comics' source material. We are probably the more critical bunch because we feel that the imperfections of the movie universe are too great to be completely ignored. We're thankful that this comic ever saw the light of day on the silver screen but we know it hasn't quite reached its greatest potential. And while we've enjoyed certain actor performances from the OT and FC films, we are more concerned with the the characters being portrayed accurately and fairly--and if these current actors are recast in favor of better casting choices we embrace that. As a group, I think we are more open-minded to the possibilities of seeing something better for not only this film franchise--but most importantly--Marvel's X-Men.

Neither group is wrong for their position. But I also don't think either group will ever see eye to eye on this topic because our priorities for this franchise are so different.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It would be such a shame if they'd let McAvoy, Fassbender and Lawrence take a back seat for Hugh. They have a really good thing going on here, and now's the time to take advantage of these acclaimed actors and the compelling characters they're playing if they're really serious about passing the "torch" to them.

To me that says we finally have acclaimed actors that are playing Xavier and Magneto unlike the two that played these characters before.

If not I apologize.

 

[Fervid09]

To me that says we finally have acclaimed actors that are playing Xavier and Magneto unlike the two that played these characters before.

If not I apologize.

I was solely referring to the FC actors in my original post, since it's with their characters that Logan would be spending the majority of his screentime, and the discussion was about Hugh being the focus again. I wasn't even thinking about the OT cast at all while I was typing that post, and I certainly neither said nor implied anything about "finally" getting acclaimed actors for Xavier and Magneto. I know who Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are.

 

[The Guard]

Agreed.

I think I've figured out why some of us are at odds with each other regarding this topic. There is basically two groups forming here:

1.) There is a group of users here who are clearly more attached to the movie-verse than the comics. This group of posters acknowledge that the movie series has not been perfect but they feel that FOX's films retain enough good elements to be acceptable. They cannot see anyone else playing these characters than Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Patrick Stewart, etc.,--or at the very least--are unwilling to embrace new actors take on these iconic roles. They'd rather "live with" what has been given to us. This group reminds me of the Trekkies who were offended in 2008/2009 when the iconic characters of Spock, Kirk, Uhura, etc., were recast with new actors. They also felt that the 1960s series of Star Trek was invalidated by JJ Abrams' 2009 film--even though the filmmakers carefully orchestrated a separate timeline so that both series could exist honorably.

2.) Then there are those of us (myself included) who are more dedicated and attached to the characters as depicted in the comics' source material. We are probably the more critical bunch because we feel that the imperfections of the movie universe are too great to be completely ignored. We're thankful that this comic ever saw the light of day on the silver screen but we know it hasn't quite reached its greatest potential. And while we've enjoyed certain actor performances from the OT and FC films, we are more concerned with the the characters being portrayed accurately and fairly--and if these current actors are recast in favor of better casting choices we embrace that. As a group, I think we are more open-minded to the possibilities of seeing something better for not only this film franchise--but most importantly--Marvel's X-Men.

Neither group is wrong for their position. But I also don't think either group will ever see eye to eye on this topic because our priorities for this franchise are so different.

True.

That said, I think there's definitely an element of wanting the original trilogy not to be invalidated, because some cling to the notion that FOX will do further X-Men films with the original cast. I just don't see that happening. The only reason they can afford to bring many of them back is their limited screentime and role in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST. Which was always the issue after THE LAST STAND. Assembling that cast again for that amount of time and a reasonable budget.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Its today's instant gratification, sense of entitlement culture.

Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan and the rest aren't "new" so they are taken for granted, cast aside and ultimately unappreciated because "WE NEEDZ TEH REBOOT OH NOEZ!!!!"

I'm sorry Nell but that doesn't make sense.

Marvel (and to be fair DC Comics, as well) has had "events" that have rebooted their universes many times. They have else-worlds, 616, Ultimate universes, etc., where beloved characters are reimagined. But consider the Ultimate Marvel universe for a moment: its arrival did not "invalidate" the classic 616. It is its own thing. Either you read it or you don't.

Therefore it's not about what's "new" or "casting aside" great actors like Patrick Stewart or Ian McKellan. That's a pretty cold and one dimensional interpretation of what's going on here. I'm sure everyone hear applauds those actors' portrayals of the characters. But the truth is--those actors are getting up there in age. They cannot play these characters forever.

What is sooo sad to me is that you'd rather see the entire franchise die off (or stand still) just so that no one else takes on the characters' roles. No offense but...that's actually kinda selfish, isn't it? It seems to me that you're less concerned about getting a great X-Men film based on the comics and more devoted to an interpretation of the X-Men that is especially fashioned for the general movie-going audiences by FOX Studios. Would you agree with that assessment? I ask that because you've said on several occasions here that if DoFP erases certain aspects of the OT films you're going to stop watching/supporting what comes next. Really? That is so...unfortunate.

It's not about the actors. Stan Lee & Co. wasn't thinking about them when they created these characters. No. Rather, it's about the longevity of Marvel's X-Men. The bottom line is that Xavier, Storm, Logan, Scott, Jean, etc., are bigger than their film counterparts--and they are ageless.

 

[psylockolussus]

The only reason they can afford to bring many of them back is their limited screentime and role in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST. Which was always the issue after THE LAST STAND. Assembling that cast again for that amount of time and a reasonable budget.

So I take it you're one of those people who said back in 2006 that it was gonna be impossible for Fox to bring the OT cast for a X-Men 4 movie.

You made it sound like the OT cast just agreed to be in this movie because their role is smaller than the previous X-Men films they appeared in.

I doubt thats the case. Some actors won't even agree to comeback if their role is limited. And for actors like Daniel Cudmore, Shawn Ashmore and even Anna Paquin, they would agree to comeback even if their role is big or not.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

True.

That said, I think there's definitely an element of wanting the original trilogy not to be invalidated, because some cling to the notion that FOX will do further X-Men films with the original cast. I just don't see that happening. The only reason they can afford to bring many of them back is their limited screentime and role in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST. Which was always the issue after THE LAST STAND. Assembling that cast again for that amount of time and a reasonable budget.

It's totally not going to happen. Budget constraints notwithstanding, these actors are not only moving on but they're also aging. Even the great Hugh Jackman--for all his musculature--is aging. The character he's playing is timeless though.

Here's the bottom line: Hugh, Halle, Patrick, etc., do NOT have patents on these characters. Anyone can play them. And to be totally frank, I'd rather not see this for the X-Men:

They wore the HELL out of the Star Trek actors in those films. And towards the end, the result was kinda laughable: A bloated William Shatner (bless him) trying to jump around on cliffs and s*** trying to fight like he did in the 1960s. No. They really should've stopped making the Star Trek Original Cast films after Star Trek: The Voyage Home. Because by time 1992 came around those actors were all...well...not looking the same anymore. Sometimes you have to just let it go and realize that potential has been reached and it's time to move on.

I think FOX is trying to avoid this by slowly phasing out the OT cast with grace. For example, Xavier is a major, pivotal character in the X-Men franchise. But do you guys honestly think FOX can get another 3 or 4 films out of Patrick Stewart over the next 10 years? What about Halle Berry? I'm not saying we HAVE to have certain characters in every film but why lose the characters or stop using them just because the actors who are playing them may be too expensive or old for the roles?

Again, the characters are timeless. It's okay to recast with new faces and move the franchise forward.

 

[psylockolussus]

If Harisson Ford got to play Indiana Jones for the first time in like 15 years and Daniel Craig (who looks so rugged) is still accepting roles as James Bond. I don't see why Hugh and Halle can't do 2 more films in the next 5 years. Its up to Fox whether they see this or not. We would probably get X-Men 6 by next year if only Bryan Singer didn't direct Superman Returns and Fox didn't decide to do spin-offs. Anyway the cast looks good for their age. Shawn/Anna/Daniel/Ellen are more fitting to their characters since they look like grown-ups now.

Patrick and Ian are old, but they have been like that since the 1st film. And I do think eventually, they have to give them their ending, to give more room for the other characters.

About James/Famke. Famke concerns me a little, because watching The Wolverine, its clear that she really aged, but she has this "femme fatale" look now that was missing in X1/X2. Then James Marsden, I haven't seen a film of him since the Box, but with the visor and if he dye his hair, he won't look too old.

 

[GuestStar2004]

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