Star Trek Beyond - Part 3

[Consona]

I've never liked Star Trek until the 2009 movie which I loved.

 

[Kathemy]

I've come to the conclusion that a majority of the people on the Hype are Star Wars fans, and those traditionally don't very much like Star Trek. It's only natural they'd like the reboot more.

 

[Consona]

I've come to the conclusion that a majority of the people on the Hype are Star Wars fans, and those traditionally don't very much like Star Trek. It's only natural they'd like the reboot more.

I'm a HUGE Star Wars fan and a HUGE Star Trek fan (pre-Abrams, but I liked 2009 one, the other ones went downhill), they are not mutually exclusive, quite the opposite actually. From epic hero's journey adventure to highly intellectual stuff, I love both of them.

But yea, I got your point.

 

[DyeLorean]

The new Star Trek movies may not be $1 Billion hits, but they must be doing very well on home cinema if Paramount is still interested in making sequels. The brand is still recognizable and very much profitable. At some point they might be expecting the Mission: Impossible route, which is after the 3rd one (which was great but didn't do very well), the last ones were just amazing and very successful.
There's still a lot of room for improvement in the Star Trek franchise.

 

[dark_b]

didnt they in a way rush the production to realese ST in 2016 because...............50th Anniversary? if yes you would think that they would use the 50th Anniversary to its maximum potential promotion. and they could have the realese date closer to the 50th anniversary. for example they could pay a lot money to the old actors and new actors and have them on late night and good morning shows.

 

[Octoberist]

Vile One was right that some of the action was shockingly sloppy and messy looking. Like my brain couldn't register that the heroes at shooting at the bad guys. A clear disconnect.

Overall I liked the film, but it's not better than the first one. Slightly better thant the second one though. Also, it's not as pretty looking as the first two. Daniel Mindel got it down, while this other guy comes close..though more muted and digital looking.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

This was one of the rare occasions where I agree with people that said it had too much "shakey cam". Most of the hand to hand fighting was not filmed well.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I've come to the conclusion that a majority of the people on the Hype are Star Wars fans, and those traditionally don't very much like Star Trek. It's only natural they'd like the reboot more.

your not wrong.many people here are like they never liked trek before abrams.

It is possable to like both star trek and star wars as i was fan of both for years.

 

[DarthMuppet]

It is possable to like both star trek and star wars as i was fan of both for years.

Same here. When I was a kid back in the 80s, I think I was just as excited for The Wrath of Khan as I was for The Empire Strikes Back. I was always a fan of both. Always makes me a bit sad when I see STAR WARS and Star Trek fans fighting over which is better or making fun of each other.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Plenty are fans of both. Kathemy just has this thing about acting as if a lack of intelligence leads to love of Star Wars and the new Trek films. As if "true" Trek fans wouldn't like the new films all that much. They are too smart, too cerebral for them.

 

[Kyle]

Can't wait for Tuesday!

 

[Pink Ranger]

Same here. When I was a kid back in the 80s, I think I was just as excited for The Wrath of Khan as I was for The Empire Strikes Back. I was always a fan of both. Always makes me a bit sad when I see STAR WARS and Star Trek fans fighting over which is better or making fun of each other.

Fans of Stargate and Star Search are just laughing at all of you.

 

[Kathemy]

Plenty are fans of both. Kathemy just has this thing about acting as if a lack of intelligence leads to love of Star Wars and the new Trek films. As if "true" Trek fans wouldn't like the new films all that much. They are too smart, too cerebral for them.

You do need less brains, patience and/or education to appreciate 'A New Hope' and 'A Phantom Menace' than to appreciate 'Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges' or 'Measure of a Man'. There were lots of seven-year-olds who loved the first Star Wars movie, in fact I'd say just about everyone who saw it at the theaters did. That doesn't mean that enjoying Star Wars means you're stupid, that would be the logical fallacy of assuming B -> A from A -> B. (I forget what that's called.) It doesn't mean you're stupid because you like the new Trek movies either. I mean, just because I like Britney Spears that doesn't mean I can't enjoy Karlheinz Stockhausen or Arnold Schönberg.

Is it really controversial to say that as a general rule Trek is more "high-brow entertainment" than Star Wars? I don't see the need to tiptoe around that, since you're apparently trying to call me out on it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You do need less brains, patience and/or education to appreciate 'A New Hope' and 'A Phantom Menace' than to appreciate 'Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges' or 'Measure of a Man'. There were lots of seven-year-olds who loved the first Star Wars movie, in fact I'd say just about everyone who saw it at the theaters did. That doesn't mean that enjoying Star Wars means you're stupid, that would be the logical fallacy of assuming B -> A from A -> B. (I forget what that's called.) It doesn't mean you're stupid because you like the new Trek movies either. I mean, just because I like Britney Spears that doesn't mean I can't enjoy Karlheinz Stockhausen or Arnold Schönberg.

Is it really controversial to say that as a general rule Trek is more "high-brow entertainment" than Star Wars? I don't see the need to tiptoe around that, since you're apparently trying to call me out on it.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Thank you for proving my point.

I was about to say that but I figured it would be better if you do and you did

 

[DKDetective]

Thank you for proving my point.

You are being a bit unfair in just dismissing the discussion Kathemy is trying to initiate. Stupid debates about intelligence aside, Star Wars' style of storytelling has always been aimed at a very broad audience and Trek has tended to be more niche. There is no doubt there and it was intentional. Lucas used Campbell's research in an attempt to a create a new myth of universal appeal using literary and mythic archetypes. And I love Star Wars for that and the way it makes me feel. Abrams attempt to tap into similar storytelling techniques is apparent in ST 2009 (right down to the hero's journey plot and destiny elements).

However, as a fan of both SW and ST, as much as I have enjoyed the sense of fun and adventure JJ brought back to the series, I can't help but feel that it lost something too along the way. I love Star Trek and Star Wars equally and I don't want one to try to be mimic the other. I miss the harder sci-fi elements, allegory, and social commentary of the Trek of the past.

Yes, the films never been the best medium for that to begin with, but "red matter" and magic blood were idiotic and that is all we have right now. If Star Trek: Discovery is what we all hope it to be, I think you will a lot less griping from certain segments of the fanbase because the balance will be restored. Beyond felt like a great first step of including more Trek-y elements, it's just too bad it did so poorly at the box office.

I loved the more action packed popcorn-y episodes of TOS, TNG, and DS9 as much as everyone else, but I need some cinematic fruits and vegetables along with my meat and dessert.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You are being a bit unfair in just dismissing the discussion Kathemy is trying to initiate. Stupid debates about intelligence aside, Star Wars' style of storytelling has always been aimed at a very broad audience and Trek has tended to be more niche. There is no doubt there and it was intentional. Lucas used Campbell's research in an attempt to a create a new myth of universal appeal using literary and mythic archetypes. And I love Star Wars for that and the way it makes me feel. Abrams attempt to tap into similar storytelling techniques is apparent in ST 2009 (right down to the hero's journey plot and destiny elements).

However, as a fan of both SW and ST, as much as I have enjoyed the sense of fun and adventure JJ brought back to the series, I can't help but feel that it lost something too along the way. I love Star Trek and Star Wars equally and I don't want one to try to be mimic the other. I miss the harder sci-fi elements, allegory, and social commentary of the Trek of the past.

Yes, the films never been the best medium for that to begin with, but "red matter" and magic blood were idiotic and that is all we have right now. If Star Trek: Discovery is what we all hope it to be, I think you will a lot less griping from certain segments of the fanbase because the balance will be restored. Beyond felt like a great first step of including more Trek-y elements, it's just too bad it did so poorly at the box office.

I loved the more action packed popcorn-y episodes of TOS, TNG, and DS9 as much as everyone else, but I need some cinematic fruits and vegetables along with my meat and dessert.

I don't know how many conversations you have had over this with Kathemy about this, but he is the one that that introduced the concept of intelligence and how much you enjoy Star Trek and Star Wars awhile ago. How does one brush that aside when that is what he based his argument on? I know there are differences between Star Wars and Star Trek. My point was about the not so passive aggressive argument about the brain power necessary to appreciate Star Trek as opposed to Star Wars.

 

[C. Lee]

Attention everyone.....the next person to say you have to be stupid to like some other show or movie gets an extended vacation.

Have a glorious day.

 

[Sawyer]

your not wrong.many people here are like they never liked trek before abrams.

It is possable to like both star trek and star wars as i was fan of both for years.

You're saying it's possible to be... bi-fandom?

 

[Teelie]

In some cases it is possible to be tri-fandom or even multi-fandom.

 

[TheVileOne]

I like both. As a kid, it's fun to joke around and go "Star Wars!" Uhuh Star Trek" Like Duck season! Wabbit Season! But there's nothing wrong with liking both and finding value in both.

 

[Kathemy]

Folks,

I would not be able to give an honest response in this thread without getting warned, so I am dropping this conversation. It was not my intent to troll and I'm not playing the victim here, I'm simply explaining why I can't answer.

I like ANH, ESB and ROTS, and I love Britney Spears. This isn't sarcasm.

All the best.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Just watched his for a 2nd time on BD, enjoyed it even more 2nd time. It's still the worst of the trilogy for me, but overall it's a damn strong trilogy and a good movie in its own right. Lin did well as director taking over and splitting up of the crew into members they haven't interacted with too much was a good choice. Jaylah was also a good addition. I liked Krall a bit more on 2nd viewing too. Just wish they had given him more screen time. The destruction of the Enterprise was a pretty damn good action sequence as well, though it's the best one in the movie and comes early.

I know it didn't do too well but I have liked the new Trek movies so hope there are more with this crew. I hope they still go ahead with the sequel.

 

[ehh]

As a fan of classic Trek and the Kelvin timeline, I enjoyed Star Trek Beyond.

But I think this was the weakest of the 3 films. I appreciate that it was a tribute to the original series, but the scope was too small. It felt like a really good big budget 3-part episode.

STID was planting the seeds for a huge Klingon War, and I was looking forward to that. They need to get the franchise moving in the likes of Star Wars.

Another thing with Star Trek Beyond is that it felt very depressing. Maybe it's because of Leonard Nimoy and Anton Yelchin passing away, but I didn't walk out with the same rush I got from the previous two. Those movies were bright (literally and figuratively) and felt adventurous, the action was really intense and everything was slick. But with STB it felt mellow and gloomy.

 

[DyeLorean]

As boring as Star Trek: The Motion Picture was, I feel like the new Star Trek films could use a bit of that 2001-esque interplanetary exploration. I want to feel like I'm in a deep space travel like in Interstellar but with this characters and an exciting adventure.
Star Trek Beyond started like it could be that (the 5-year mission was a great point to start) but it quickly got reduced to the conventional. I don't know, it didn't feel as big as it should have.