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Discussion in 'Superman Returns' started by Saph, Sep 9, 2005.
remember, the suit also decreases routh's overall muscle size...
What the hell are you on about...
damn wrong thread. sorry. This is what I get for having two windows and threads open at the same time.
The argument between the size of the two is moot. Reeve's weight fluctuated between a thirty pound zone during the production of STM. Routh maintained his size throughout the whole production of SR to a T. He also kept the vascularity the whole time. Routh was reported to weigh around 210-215 but his bodyfat was kept low the whole time, thus preserving his onscreen physique shot to shot. Reeve couldn't maintain his physique during the STM shoot, thus his frame was riddled with fat during some scenes (for proof scour Caped Wonder if it's still up). To the discerning eye it's easily noticeable as to the difference in some scenes. If you're talking about SIII, though? Reeve held his physique through the whole thing, and it showed.
Yes, Reeve gained a lot of weight during S1 and S2 shoot with Donner. He was the smallest in the suit in the New York location scenes (not the in studio scenes cut into the Ny stuff) But the fact is that They did a survey amoungst women to see what body style was considered sexy, and then a suit was built and Routh was under contract to not go abive that size. Reeve could get as big as he wanted. Reeve is way bigger than Routh in the last stuff they shot, specifically the pulling out the car with dead Lois scene as that stuff was the last stuff they shot, as well as a few reaction shots after he made the rock damn. That is the perfect build for Superman for me. Routh is just too damn small, and it is because Warners mandated he got no bigger than the suit size mandated by the stupid survey. Who cares about his body fat. He is wearing a suit. And the fact is, his low body fat made him look too skiney to me, and younger. When he was doing promotion for the film, his body fat was up and he looked more like Supes, which people used to comment about here.
so he should be fatman?t:
I think the entire Suit needs to be trashed and the producers need to stick the to basics.
Bring back the Superman the world grew up on.
That current SR suit sucks.
I just read that Brandon is not working out like he used to and does not plan on hitting the iron hard until later in the next six months.
Brandon - You should be working your tail off to get more anabolic, so the studio HAS to create an entire new Superman suit.
No muscle suit .
Give us Superman!
not to split hairs or anything..the fact he is starting in 6 months is remarkable..the film does not come out until 2009.. and he is starting in 2007? that means he will get some serious muscle by 2008/2009/
ahh this isn't fat
I sear now you guys are just arguing to argue
No doubt Reeve got bigger through the production of STM and Superman II, he was at his biggest and most ripped in Superman III. There should actually be video of Routh training on the DVD which will point to how big Routh actually was.
No offense, but you're comparing a living actor's (Brandon Routh)
phsyique with the physique of a dead actor. As much as i loved Reeve as Superman, Had he not been crippled, would have been too old for the part.
There is footage.
There goes Caped "Photoshop Reeve to Hell" Wonder again.
criticize Caped Wonder all you want, but right now it's the largest website for STM related material...
and I got a lot of respect for Jim Bowers for keeping it up.
That's what I was told, I am glad there is going to be. Reeve did a great job as Superman, but nobody is ever going to be Reeve. He was the first Superman that we all fell in love with on the big screen. I think Routh did a solid job as both Superman and Clark and his physique was a non issue to me.
In regards to Caped Wonder, some of those Reeve shots look a little misleading. I love the site but I don't know.
Have you heard the Kenny Rogers song "The Last 10 Years"?....part of it is him singing about how we "lost" Superman, and ends with something like "we miss you Chris". I've only heard it once....not sure how new it is.
Hmmmm? Never heard it. I will have to download it tonight and find out.
And he was basically the official site as he contributed to the STM stuff and also documentaries for the 2001 release. He was friends with Donner, and especially very close to Reeve. He was the films historian. He is one of the main reasons we have a donner cut Superman 2. Bowers is owed all of our gratitude.
If you are reading this, thanks Jim.
Yes. And SR is supposed to be a vague Sequel to S2. And Routh is picking up the character that Chris left off, so he is Chris replacement. Cain was a different line, but Routh is Chris' replacement, so obviously we are going to compare them.
I personally liked the NY footage as his vascularity was a bit better for my taste as far as CR went. I'm not much into the slight spare-tire Superman ala Alex Ross, so I didn't like the portions of filming where he'd put on the fat. This photo is evidence of how stupid they were to let Reeve train by himself instead of letting David Prowse (although in an archaic regimen that didn't even incorporate leg movements...big mistake) keep control of his body during the latter part of his filming.
This set shot is a large example of the kind of Superman I don't like to see visually.
This is the look for Reeve I liked the most, which is kind of along the lines of where Routh was for SR.
It's just a matter of what you like, I guess. Hopefully Routh is allowed to add a few more pounds so it doesn't piss you off so much the next time around, buggs.
No, you choose to make a comparison There's a difference. He's not a replacement for Chris Reeve, anymore than Roger Moore was a replacement for Sean Connery or Ewan McGregor for Alec Guiness. he's an actor, playing a part and in time he will make the part his.
IMO he already has made the part his, he was superb in SR i thought. I was very surprised at his acting ability.
Muscle; Serious lack thereof
Acting; Mediocre (he wasn't given much to work with however)
Movie; Poor (hard to look good in a bad movie)
That bottom pic was not taken in New York. That background plate behind them was, but it was used as a process plate for front projection on a stage at Pinewood 6 months later. So he was actually the same size in the bottom pic as he is in the top pic. They had to shoot it in London as he is drilling through the street. So him landing and all that, even the people in the cabs, are actually on a process stage in London.
No. They are replacments. Roger Moore replaced Sean Connery in the role of James Bond. Ewan McGreggor did replace Alec Guiness, was playing a younger Guiness, who was no longer alive. But Routh is Replaing Reeve in the role, even if Reeve died. It is a sequel to Donner 1 and 2, and Routh is picking up from Reeve in the same timeline, even though Singer tweaked it with that vague history stuff. Routh is replacing Reeve.