The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 1

[Kane52630]

I honestly didn't feel like that in 2013, and I am not sure why. I even got on the Snyder train against my better judgement. But MoS worked for me in a way that I almost believed them when they said BvS was the natural continuation. It is when they came out with their big board of movies that I realized they were BS'ing. It was just so random.

I was off the train the moment they announced Batman would be in a Superman sequel.

 

[MadVillainy]

I was off the train the moment they announced Batman would be in a Superman sequel.

I was off the train when I saw MoS


However, I love these characters and I hope to be proven wrong, but I just havent been impressed by much. The casting didn't do much for me. Even Ezra Miller who I like as an actor seemed like a weird choice for Barry Allen. Wonder Woman trailer didn't do anything for me. The JL trailer didn't impress me either.

As I said I keep hoping to be proven wrong but if I don't like WW, I can't see myself paying to see a DCEU movie in the near future

 

[idiot09]

I dunno bro, it doesn't seem like a timely intervention. It's a close call with production rumored to start in a few months but who knows, maybe WB made the right call here or maybe not. What bothers me slightly is that if this was gonna happen anyway, WB should have done it earlier and they should have a director attached to The Flash by now.

Agreed. The timing is way off. Thats what happens when you make major creative personnel change midway. My guess is Johns and Berg didnt like his version of the script, and they couldnt come to a mutually acceptable place. Its unfortunate, but thats what happens when you do things by commitee.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, it's not that directors don't drop out of projects and be replaced fairly often. True, it is the second director they removed from this film, though it's first one since Geoff Johns claimed the position at WB, so I'd hazard a guess that it has something to do with that particular shake-up and direction Johns is aiming for.

Okay, but you didn't really answer the question. Why did you act like this is a normal occurrence? Because it isn't. A director might become attached and drop out before anything materializes. But his is very different from that.

Depends on whether this is a good thing or not. This might be who knows. Geoff Johns knows and understands Flash more than all of us combined, and has done SO MUCH for the character in comics, its unimaginable. Maybe it was his decision, and this is a good decision. Maybe its not. I'm not going to directly assume the worse for now. Also I thought most were happy to see the first director go(who btw had no prior directing experience).

So is Geoff Johns going to direct the Flash movie? He knows how to run a movie studio?

This is a common theme, a common thread with WB. A fake corporate shuffle does not change this is one continuous thread.

 

[idiot09]

So is Geoff Johns going to direct the Flash movie? He knows how to run a movie studio?

This is a common theme, a common thread with WB. A fake corporate shuffle does not change this is one continuous thread.

Geoff Johns is certainly involved in the scripting phase. He is a great writer, is involved in the scripting of WW and The Batman as well. And he oversees everything. He has a creative say.

If you have already decided everything is falling apart, and that the corporate shuffle was "Fake", then there is nothing I can say really. Your mind is already made up.Have fun with all the doom and gloom

 

[MadVillainy]

Geoff Johns is certainly involved in the scripting phase. He is a great writer, is involved in the scripting of WW and The Batman as well. And he oversees everything. He has a creative say.

If you have already decided everything is falling apart, and that the corporate shuffle was "Fake", then there is nothing I can say really. Your mind is already made up.Have fun with all the doom and gloom

Being a good comic writer doesn't make you a good script writer per say.

And who knows Johns could bring it, but still

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Here is the thing. The big war cry from DC fans for a while was that they let their director's do their thing. Then we find out that isn't how it is, so now it is the director's fault.

Can we all just be honest for moment. Whether you are fans of these films or not, WB has zero idea what they are doing here. That doesn't mean no movies will be good or that this will all end in a flaming wreck. But they have no guidance, no leadership and definitely they have no plan.

They pick and choose when to interfere, seemingly at random, and continually show they are hell to work with.

WB with DCEU is basically this:

 

[Alex Murphy]

*Gus Fring stopping to straighten his tie*

 

[nyyarod]

WB with DCEU is basically this:

 

[Guts]

The book I'm currently reading is Supergods by Grant Morrison and this is from his book.

Barry Allen was an affable, crew-cut forensic scientist working late one night at the lab when a chance combination of lightning striking a rack of chemicals endowed him with superspeed. His villains were rogue personifications of scientific forces: thermodynamic (Heat Wave, Captain Cold), optical (Mirror Master), meteorological (Weather Wizard), sonic (the Pied Piper), gyroscopic (the Top), chemical (Mr. Element). Stories often turned around some simple scientific fact. Yet there was rarely the feeling of being lectured to. These science facts were exactly what boys of the Silver Age wanted to know, and what better way to learn than with this new avatar of one of our oldest gods? Chemical reactions were acted out as drama, while physics lessons could become dreams of velocity and romance.

I hope whoever they get for the Flash move focuses on the science aspect.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Geoff Johns is certainly involved in the scripting phase. He is a great writer, is involved in the scripting of WW and The Batman as well. And he oversees everything. He has a creative say.

If you have already decided everything is falling apart, and that the corporate shuffle was "Fake", then there is nothing I can say really. Your mind is already made up.Have fun with all the doom and gloom

What Geoff Johns movie credits exactly? These aren't comics, this isn't even television.

Placing this back on me does not change what is happening here. It is not doom and gloom to look at a situation and judge it fairly for what it has been.

 

[idiot09]

Being a good comic writer doesn't make you a good script writer per say.

And who knows Johns could bring it, but still

You are absolutely right. But he gets the essence of Flash, and understands the character, and I trust his judgement of where they want to take this character. He doesnt need to be a great script writer for that. Rick re-wrote the script, not him. And he didnt like Rick's take probably. And I trust Geoff's judgement. If you have read his work, then its up to you to trust his.

Again I will reiterate, none of us actually know whats happening bts. None of this is ideal ofcourse, but rather sort the differences now, than in post production.

 

[KillerWolf]

Okay, but you didn't really answer the question. Why did you act like this is a normal occurrence? Because it isn't. A director might become attached and drop out before anything materializes. But his is very different from that.

Ah, that. I reckon because it is a bit of a unique situation, Grahame-Smith dropped out before Johns and Famuyiwa dropped out post-BvS, after Johns' arrival and subsequent change in direction. With those changes in the shake-up, I assume Famuyiwa got to pitch them the actual script quite far in the game, so that is why it is only now that they part ways. Like I said, film is most likely going to be delayed.

 

[TeeKay]

The river in Egypt?


And this still bothers me. But Marvel set out their stall early. They are very much a producer's studio, and have a track record to back up their decisions.


I honestly didn't feel like that in 2013, and I am not sure why. I even got on the Snyder train against my better judgement. But MoS worked for me in a way that I almost believed them when they said BvS was the natural continuation. It is when they came out with their big board of movies that I realized they were BS'ing. It was just so random.

It was what it was but yeah it shouldnt have gotten as far as it did.

Geoff Johns is certainly involved in the scripting phase. He is a great writer, is involved in the scripting of WW and The Batman as well. And he oversees everything. He has a creative say.

If you have already decided everything is falling apart, and that the corporate shuffle was "Fake", then there is nothing I can say really. Your mind is already made up.Have fun with all the doom and gloom

Writing comics and writing a screenplay are two different things my friend. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Also wasn't Jones a producer on the Green Lantern movie?

 

[idiot09]

What Geoff Johns movie credits exactly? These aren't comics, this isn't even television.

Placing this back on me does not change what is happening here. It is not doom and gloom to look at a situation and judge it fairly for what it has been.

You have already chosen a narrative. Its very clearly on you.

And you dont need multiple movie credits to understand a character and greenlight a script on said character.

 

[Kane52630]

I was off the train when I saw MoS


However, I love these characters and I hope to be proven wrong, but I just havent been impressed by much. The casting didn't do much for me. Even Ezra Miller who I like as an actor seemed like a weird choice for Barry Allen. Wonder Woman trailer didn't do anything for me. The JL trailer didn't impress me either.

As I said I keep hoping to be proven wrong but if I don't like WW, I can't see myself paying to see a DCEU movie in the near future

I only liked MoS for vain reasons because I finally got what I wanted, action. But after rewatching it, you can see all the problems come falling out.

And yeah I grew up with DC and I haven't been impressed with Wonder Woman or JL. DCEU so far has 3 strikes and I don't know anyone who would give something more than three chances.

 

[UltimateMarvel]

The movie lost two directors in almost seven months, things are really changing inside WB now that Geoff Johns is organizing things up. Maybe Rick had a different vision from what they wanted for the movie and that's why he left. The best thing to do right now is to hope that they find a good director that fits the project in the coming weeks.

 

[MadVillainy]

You have already chosen a narrative. Its very clearly on you.

And you dont need multiple movie credits to understand a character and greenlight a script on said character.

No one is saying that.

You act like "Oh Johns gets the character in the comic, so that'll transfer to film" and people are pointing out that thats not necessarily the case


No one is being "doom and gloom" other than stating the facts.
1) They've lost 2 of their directors
2) They're most likely going to have to push the movie back

If that's doom and gloom then ok

 

[Flint Marko]

You have already chosen a narrative. Its very clearly on you.

Oh man, the irony.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The only one that comes to mind was Edgar Wright with Ant-Man.

Losing one guy is a sign of problems, but it does happen. Losing two in 6 months? That means chaos.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ah, that. I reckon because it is a bit of a unique situation, Grahame-Smith dropped out before Johns and Famuyiwa dropped out post-BvS, after Johns' arrival and subsequent change in direction. With those changes in the shake-up, I assume Famuyiwa got to pitch them the actual script quite far in the game, so that is why it is only now that they part ways. Like I said, film is most likely going to be delayed.

It is only unique because WB is trying to pull a Rothman on X-Men level of strangeness.

 

[idiot09]

It was what it was but yeah it shouldnt have gotten as far as it did.



Writing comics and writing a screenplay are two different things my friend. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Also wasn't Jones a producer on the Green Lantern movie?

See my previous response to DarthSkywalker and BlackMan.

 

[TeeKay]

You have already chosen a narrative. Its very clearly on you.

And you dont need multiple movie credits to understand a character and greenlight a script on said character.

If thats the case, then lots of comic book writers would be writing these comic book films. But that isn't the case for obvious reasons.

 

[MadVillainy]

I only liked MoS for vain reasons because I finally got what I wanted, action. But after rewatching it, you can see all the problems come falling out.

And yeah I grew up with DC and I haven't been impressed with Wonder Woman or JL. DCEU so far has 3 strikes and I don't know anyone who would give something more than three chances.

Yeah they have 3 strikes in terms of movies, but I'm giving them leeway and giving them 3 strikes in terms of directors. They've only had 2 directors so far...but both make movies I didn't like. So If Patty Jenkins doesn't deliver I'm out

 

[TeeKay]

See my previous response to DarthSkywalker and BlackMan.

My point still stands.