The Avengers The Avengers Box-Office Prediction Thread - Part 6

[DyeLorean]

Iron Man wasn't such a big property back then, and look now. They can make great movies with characters like the Sub Mariner, Black Panther, Dr Strange, Ant-Man. If Marvel lets people know that this characters belong to the MCU, it's easier to sell them. Is not easy for a movie to be right behind Avatar and Titanic. This thing became HUGE.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Nah Brad Bird has proven himself time and time again.

He deserves every bit of praise he gets.

I'm just annoyed at fanboy suggesting Brad Bird for everything and every franchise under sun like he is the only director that can direct blockbuster movies. It gets very repetitive when Avengers, Batman, X-men, Bond, Fantastic Four, Superman, Tarzan, Frankenstein, Dracula, and Beavis and Butthead fanboys keep suggesting him and saying he's the only person that can direct it. I hate that mentality.

And if can't tell those last 4 names are fake.

 

[Iceman]

Iron Man wasn't such a big property back then, and look now. They can make great movies with characters like the Sub Mariner, Black Panther, Dr Strange, Ant-Man. If Marvel lets people know that this characters belong to the MCU, it's easier to sell them. Is not easy for a movie to be right behind Avatar and Titanic. This thing became HUGE.

Not disagreeing. I'm saying even if all of these films break out like Iron Man there isn't room for all of them unless they want to wait 7/8 years between films. Avengers, Batman, Spidey, Supes, X-Men etc could keep going every 3-5 years so there are only so many others you can introduce with multiple sequels. I just think the GA are prepared to watch a max of maybe 4 or 5 comic movies per summer. After that even if they are all top notch I think they will switch to different genres even for lesser films just for the variety. And Avengers' performance was not surprising to me (except for the opening weekend and speed of accumulation) but only certain comic properties are capable of those numbers.

 

[DyeLorean]

Yes, that's true. I don't think we'll be seeing Batman for a long time, if this is the final chapter (if they don't pull a Transformers/Michael Bay kind of thing, where they said it was the last one, and now is not).
We'll still have to see how well Superman does. As for Spidey and X Men, I think those will go on for some time too.

 

[Liam_H]

They've been talking about another Batman franchise well before this third movie. It's just gonna be the last Nolan Batman movie.

 

[DyeLorean]

Well, what I meant to say is, with this Box Office numbers, there's still plenty of room for more Marvel characters to hit the screen.

 

[Avenger]

I'm just annoyed at fanboy suggesting Brad Bird for everything and every franchise under sun like he is the only director that can direct blockbuster movies. It gets very repetitive when Avengers, Batman, X-men, Bond, Fantastic Four, Superman, Tarzan, Frankenstein, Dracula, and Beavis and Butthead fanboys keep suggesting him and saying he's the only person that can direct it. I hate that mentality.

And if can't tell those last 4 names are fake.

The same thing happened with Peter Jackson in the aftermath of LOTR.

 

[kedrell]

Well, what I meant to say is, with this Box Office numbers, there's still plenty of room for more Marvel characters to hit the screen.

Agreed, and we shouldn't get caught in the mind set that every character who gets a film needs to have it become a trilogy or franchise. Simply existing as a greater part of the MCU should be enough much of the time.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'm just annoyed at fanboy suggesting Brad Bird for everything and every franchise under sun like he is the only director that can direct blockbuster movies. It gets very repetitive when Avengers, Batman, X-men, Bond, Fantastic Four, Superman, Tarzan, Frankenstein, Dracula, and Beavis and Butthead fanboys keep suggesting him and saying he's the only person that can direct it. I hate that mentality.

And if can't tell those last 4 names are fake.

There aren't many top-tier directors perfectly suited for fanboy concepts.

So it's no surprise when their names keep coming up again and again.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Days to 600 million:
Titanic: 252
Avatar: 47
The Avengers: probably between days 40-50

Iron Man wasn't such a big property back then, and look now. They can make great movies with characters like the Sub Mariner, Black Panther, Dr Strange, Ant-Man.

Good point. Look at Blade. That is not even a B-grade Marvel character. But if you get the right actor, right story and it is done well, a good quality film can emerge. The first 2 were great, the 3rd was ok but Ryan Reynolds saved it imho.

Marvel has a massive amount of potential huge franchises to convert on the big screen: namely

Alpha Flight
Excalibur
X-Force
The New Mutants
The New Warriors
X-Factor
The Midnight Sons
Sinister Six
Thunderbolts aka Masters of Evil

Brad Bird- he did Iron Giant, The Incredibles, MI:4. That is an impressive resume. My next choices to film a marvel franchise would be

Ridley Scott (anything), David Fincher (anything), Quentin Tarantino (Deadpool), Tim Burton (he could do Morbius or something else dark lol).

Writers: Joss Whedon, Christopher Nolan, Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Frank Miller, Warren Ellis

 

[Iceman]

Agreed, and we shouldn't get caught in the mind set that every character who gets a film needs to have it become a trilogy or franchise. Simply existing as a greater part of the MCU should be enough much of the time.

Exactly my view. Once they've had their film they can always cameo in event films or SHIELD films etc until sequels become appropriate.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

The same thing happened with Peter Jackson in the aftermath of LOTR.

Oh god, if Brad Bird gets this much attention from all kinds of fanboys, I can't imagine what

There aren't many top-tier directors perfectly suited for fanboy concepts.

So it's no surprise when their names keep coming up again and again.

My problem isn't people choosing Bird or wanting Bird. It's people who think only Brad Bird can do it.

 

[Tony Stark]

Blade is the perfect example of someone virtually unknown to not only the general audience, but alot of comic fans as well, turning into a franchise. I didn't care for the third film, but the first two movies I thought were very good.

 

[Xeno]

They've been talking about another Batman franchise well before this third movie. It's just gonna be the last Nolan Batman movie.

WB can't let its only box office draw from the DC universe lie fallow for more than a few years because they only have Superman in the pipeline behind it. No matter what Nolan does in TDKR, WB will have a reboot up and running withing five years, max.

 

[Xeno]

Days to 600 million:
Titanic: 252
Avatar: 47
The Avengers: probably between days 40-50




Good point. Look at Blade. That is not even a B-grade Marvel character. But if you get the right actor, right story and it is done well, a good quality film can emerge. The first 2 were great, the 3rd was ok but Ryan Reynolds saved it imho.

Marvel has a massive amount of potential huge franchises to convert on the big screen: namely

Alpha Flight
Excalibur
X-Force
The New Mutants
The New Warriors
X-Factor
The Midnight Sons
Sinister Six
Thunderbolts aka Masters of Evil

Brad Bird- he did Iron Giant, The Incredibles, MI:4. That is an impressive resume. My next choices to film a marvel franchise would be

Ridley Scott (anything), David Fincher (anything), Quentin Tarantino (Deadpool), Tim Burton (he could do Morbius or something else dark lol).

Writers: Joss Whedon, Christopher Nolan, Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Frank Miller, Warren Ellis

Of the potential franchises you mentioned, Alpha Flight, Excalibur, X-Force, The New Mutants and X-Factor belong to Fox. Marvel only owns the rights to two individual mutants, the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Not that Fox will ever spend a dime to produce movies with those characters, but they will sue if Marvel even thinks about using them.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Of the potential franchises you mentioned, Alpha Flight, Excalibur, X-Force, The New Mutants and X-Factor belong to Fox. Marvel only owns the rights to two individual mutants, the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Not that Fox will ever spend a dime to produce movies with those characters, but they will sue if Marvel even thinks about using them.

Lol, why would Fox even want the rights to Alpha Flight in the first place? It must have come "free with purchase" of the X-men rights or something, like the free rubber gloves that come with a new mop.

 

[kedrell]

Days to 600 million:
Titanic: 252
Avatar: 47
The Avengers: probably between days 40-50

Hmm, I'm thinking 50-52(8th weekend)

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Lol yeah all the non xmen mutant groups are non-starters. Same with alpha flight. Maybe the babies born this year will get to see an alpha flight movie in their lifetimes.

Seriously though, I just hope we get some more marvel a listers in the next few years.

 

[Tony Stark]

Yes, that's true. I don't think we'll be seeing Batman for a long time, if this is the final chapter (if they don't pull a Transformers/Michael Bay kind of thing, where they said it was the last one, and now is not).
We'll still have to see how well Superman does. As for Spidey and X Men, I think those will go on for some time too.

I think there will be alot of pressure in WB to do a Justice League, and they'll want to bring back Batman as a part of that. Now it may not be as a solo movie, but they'll try to bring him back.

My guess is Batman will be where Superman has been for the last 30 years. Stuck in multiple failed projects that never see the light of day.

 

[Tony Stark]

Hmm, I'm thinking 50-52(8th weekend)

Well I hope it at least can get fastest to 600. It's likely not going to get past Avatar, so hopefully at least it can have that, plus 1.5B WW.

 

[Xeno]

Lol yeah all the non xmen mutant groups are non-starters. Same with alpha flight. Maybe the babies born this year will get to see an alpha flight movie in their lifetimes.

Seriously though, I just hope we get some more marvel a listers in the next few years.

A few years back Fox sued Marvel over a TV show Marvel planned that had "mutant" in its title, even though it didn't use any of the X-Men characters. Fox contends that it owns the concept of mutants with regards to Marvel properties and it will fight like a rabid cur to assert its rights. Were Marvel to show any interests at all in Alpha Flight, Fox would undoubtedly go right back to court over it.


Now that The Avengers has blown Fox's meager efforts with the X-franchise out of the water, I'd be willing to bet that they'll order Vaughn to use Wanda & Pietro in the next FC movie. They could spite Marvel by using two iconic Avengers first.

 

[Tony Stark]

A few years back Fox sued Marvel over a TV show Marvel planned that had "mutant" in its title, even though it didn't use any of the X-Men characters. Fox contends that it owns the concept of mutants with regards to Marvel properties and it will fight like a rabid cur to assert its rights. Were Marvel to show any interests at all in Alpha Flight, Fox would undoubtedly go right back to court over it.


Now that The Avengers has blown Fox's meager efforts with the X-franchise out of the water, I'd be willing to bet that they'll order Vaughn to use Wanda & Pietro in the next FC movie. They could spite Marvel and use two iconic Avengers first.

Does Fox own the rights to those characters?

In all honesty Marvel need to go to war to get some of these characters back. In some ways i am honestly hoping for the failure of TASM so that no sequels get green lit. That's the surest way to get Spider-man back.

I think there's a good chance they get F4 back. Fox is pretty close to violating the contract terms with Marvel. The reboot project is in development hell and Fox has yet to green light a script to move forward with.

Spider-man, X-men and F4 are all tier 1 properties with Marvel and I think to move forward they have to get them back under their own control.

 

[Raiden]

Days to 600 million:
Titanic: 252
Avatar: 47
The Avengers: probably between days 40-50




Good point. Look at Blade. That is not even a B-grade Marvel character. But if you get the right actor, right story and it is done well, a good quality film can emerge. The first 2 were great, the 3rd was ok but Ryan Reynolds saved it imho.

Marvel has a massive amount of potential huge franchises to convert on the big screen: namely

Alpha Flight
Excalibur
X-Force
The New Mutants
The New Warriors
X-Factor
The Midnight Sons
Sinister Six
Thunderbolts aka Masters of Evil

Brad Bird- he did Iron Giant, The Incredibles, MI:4. That is an impressive resume. My next choices to film a marvel franchise would be

Ridley Scott (anything), David Fincher (anything), Quentin Tarantino (Deadpool), Tim Burton (he could do Morbius or something else dark lol).

Writers: Joss Whedon, Christopher Nolan, Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Frank Miller, Warren Ellis

I thought we were talking about the movies under Marvel Studios, and most of the properties you suggested belong to either Sony (Sinister Six) or Fox (X-Factor, Excalibur, X-Force). I'm not sure about Thunderbolts nor The New Warriors, though, and whether they belong to MS.

 

[Raiden]

Does Fox own the rights to those characters?

In all honesty Marvel need to go to war to get some of these characters back. In some ways i am honestly hoping for the failure of TASM so that no sequels get green lit. That's the surest way to get Spider-man back.

I think there's a good chance they get F4 back. Fox is pretty close to violating the contract terms with Marvel. The reboot project is in development hell and Fox has yet to green light a script to move forward with.

Spider-man, X-men and F4 are all tier 1 properties with Marvel and I think to move forward they have to get them back under their own control.

Personally, I really don't understand Fox's perceived insistence on rebooting both FF and DD, because as we have seen in this summer, there's a real risk on developing big-budgeted movies and they often don't pan out. Even with well-received First Class didn't really generate the kind of money that makes it a huge blockbuster.

I'm most perplexed about DD's rights, because Elektra was last released in 2005, 7 years prior, and by all means it should've returned to Marvel already. It just seems to prove that the wording on those agreements Marvel signed away to the other studios gave them extremely leniency in retaining those rights, and even some apparent movement on greenlighting the movie would still allow them to keep the rights due to a fulfillment of their obligation. I do think it is a tactic for Fox to try to entice Disney to fork over millions in an effort to buy those rights back, but Disney has indicated that they will not do that. Maybe this is a Hollywood case of who blinks first.

 

[Tony Stark]

Personally, I really don't understand Fox's perceived insistence on rebooting both FF and DD, because as we have seen in this summer, there's a real risk on developing big-budgeted movies and they often don't pan out. Even with well-received First Class didn't really generate the kind of money that makes it a huge blockbuster.

I'm most perplexed about DD's rights, because Elektra was last released in 2005, 7 years prior, and by all means it should've returned to Marvel already. It just seems to prove that the wording on those agreements Marvel signed away to the other studios gave them extremely leniency in retaining those rights, and even some apparent movement on greenlighting the movie would still allow them to keep the rights due to a fulfillment of their obligation. I do think it is a tactic for Fox to try to entice Disney to fork over millions in an effort to buy those rights back, but Disney has indicated that they will not do that. Maybe this is a Hollywood case of who blinks first.

Very true, and I even think after John Carter that Disney is gun shy about big budget projects. First Class had 160M budget which is pretty modest now a day for a summer block buster, and it didn't make that back domestically.

I agree with you about DD. Other than hooking up Ben and Jen, DD did absolutely nothing. So that most definitely has to do with Fox looking for a pay day. How the contract is written probably differs between which corporate lawyer tells Fox what they can get away with. Personally I think it would be worth taking Fox to court over that one, and for Fantastic Four.