Action-Adventure The 'Back To The Future' Appreciation Thread - Part 2

[jmc]

Having just finished watching film 2 for the first time in quite some time this one does feel the most out of place of the 3 films. I think the 2015 first act is really what throws that film off, I can't help but feel if the interpretation visually was a little less colourful and over the top and that Michael J Fox didn't play both of his children I think that portion of the film would have been far stronger, it feels too comical compared to the rest of the movie because once they return to alternate 1985 the film improves.

 

[samsnee]

I re-watched 2 last night like most everyone else. One thing I realized. Doc says Jennifer will be ok on the porch because once he and Marty go back to 1955 and get the almanac, the alternate 1985 will change around her back to how it's supposed to be. But then how come when Old Biff goes from 2015 to 1955 and changed the past, the future didn't change around Doc and Marty as well? Seems like a minor plot hole.

 

[Vartha]

Picked up the paper and 30th anniversary 3 film bluray this morning

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I re-watched 2 last night like most everyone else. One thing I realized. Doc says Jennifer will be ok on the porch because once he and Marty go back to 1955 and get the almanac, the alternate 1985 will change around her back to how it's supposed to be. But then how come when Old Biff goes from 2015 to 1955 anHow about the fact d changed the past, the future didn't change around Doc and Marty as well? Seems like a minor plot hole.

How about the fact Old Biff makes it back to 2015 at all to disappear rather than returning as a relic of his timeline like Doc and Marty in alternate 1985?

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

I re-watched 2 last night like most everyone else. One thing I realized. Doc says Jennifer will be ok on the porch because once he and Marty go back to 1955 and get the almanac, the alternate 1985 will change around her back to how it's supposed to be. But then how come when Old Biff goes from 2015 to 1955 and changed the past, the future didn't change around Doc and Marty as well? Seems like a minor plot hole.

It changed, the effects were just minor/not drastic at Hilldale estate.
It is not a plot hole since it doesn't prevent the story to go forward in a logical manner. It is an minor inconsistency.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

How about the fact Old Biff makes it back to 2015 at all to disappear rather than returning as a relic of his timeline like Doc and Marty in alternate 1985?

According to IMDB trivia section, Laureen shots Biff in the alternate 1985 that is why he disappears ( you see him being ill ) when he's back to 2015 but it wasn't show on film.

 

[Zantera]

I re-watched the whole trilogy in celebration of October 21st, they all still hold up nicely. II has always been my favorite because I love how they visit both the future, but that we also get to see the events of the first movie played out from a different perspective. I is a great classic as well, and III is probably my least favorite by default, but I still really enjoy it.

 

[Dark Raven]

Marty McFly and Doc Brown on Kimmel:

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Also, one thing that BTTF2 got right somewhat ironically and sadly is that Michael J Fox of 2015 is somewhat debilitated like the Marty McFly of 2015.

 

[samsnee]

I guess if you really think about it, you can't visit your future self. The moment you leave the present you disappear from the timeline until you reappear in the future. They pretty much showed this in the first movie when Doc sent Einstein a few minutes into the future.

 

[Travesty]

I guess if you really think about it, you can't visit your future self. The moment you leave the present you disappear from the timeline until you reappear in the future. They pretty much showed this in the first movie when Doc sent Einstein a few minutes into the future.

That's not the same thing, because Einstein was never sent back into his original timeline, he just went into the future, so of course he would be missing for that time. So you can still visit your future self, as long as you go back to your timeline. If you leave for the future on a Monday, and come back to your timeline on a Wednesday, you're only going to be missing on that Tuesday. But if you don't come back, or something happens to you, then yes, you won't be able to visit your future self, because you never made it back to your timeline. Einstein never went back to his original timeline, he just went a few minutes into the future and stayed there.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Good point for BTTF but it can be possible if you use the multi-verse theory where you don't really go back/forward in time in your own reality but a parallel universe.

 

[samsnee]

Yeah I guess it depends on if you see time as completely linear or able to branch off into multiple timelines. In my example, I was viewing it as a singular line. So there can never be two of you in the future, only in the present or past.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I re-watched 2 last night like most everyone else. One thing I realized. Doc says Jennifer will be ok on the porch because once he and Marty go back to 1955 and get the almanac, the alternate 1985 will change around her back to how it's supposed to be. But then how come when Old Biff goes from 2015 to 1955 and changed the past, the future didn't change around Doc and Marty as well? Seems like a minor plot hole.

We don't know how much the future has changed. They deliberately didn't show anybody from the future after Old Biff returns. We just see them on the street and then they hop in the DeLorean.

 

[DyeLorean]

I re-watched 2 last night like most everyone else. One thing I realized. Doc says Jennifer will be ok on the porch because once he and Marty go back to 1955 and get the almanac, the alternate 1985 will change around her back to how it's supposed to be. But then how come when Old Biff goes from 2015 to 1955 and changed the past, the future didn't change around Doc and Marty as well? Seems like a minor plot hole.

I remember one explanation Bob Gale gave, is that when Old Biff returns to 2015, he just gave the Almanac to himself, and no gambling took place yet. It will happen eventually, but that minor change (giving himself the Almanac) wasn't that big enough to automatically change 2015. If Old Biff had returned to 2015, let's say after Young Biff starts gambling, then 2015 would change drastically.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I remember one explanation Bob Gale gave, is that when Old Biff returns to 2015, he just gave the Almanac to himself, and no gambling took place yet. It will happen eventually, but that minor change (giving himself the Almanac) wasn't that big enough to automatically change 2015. If Old Biff had returned to 2015, let's say after Young Biff starts gambling, then 2015 would change drastically.

ITs funny because technically this could work from that point he left from, but at the same time in 2015, the events following Biff using the sports almanac have happened regardless, so Old Biff should've returned to an alternate 2015. And if reality warped around Jennifer, it should've warped around Marty and Doc. Now, the question is would they become their counterparts of that timeline, aka a Marty who was sent off to boarding school, and Doc would probably be dead, or would they realize the change, and stay the same while alternate future Marty and Doc existed elsewhere. Jennifer remembered what happened, so I can only assume they would too.

Time travel hurts my head.

 

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[BeserkerHilf]

I'm going to rest a lot on this plot device in an attempt to...excuse...the space-time continuum responsiveness, but the family picture Marty carries around takes forever to fade away. Even the news articles aren't changing literally instantaneously.

Which now that I think about it, they only ever change when a character remembers they exist and pulls them out of their pocket to look.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Yeah I guess it depends on if you see time as completely linear or able to branch off into multiple timelines. In my example, I was viewing it as a singular line. So there can never be two of you in the future, only in the present or past.

Only if you never planned to get back to the present. Doc and Marty will / were always get back to their present ( altered or not ) from 2015, so theoretically, it is possible to have two of you in "a" future ( I said "a" future because it can be changed by said time travel ).
Not sure if I'm clear.

 

[LostSon88]

According to IMDB trivia section, Laureen shots Biff in the alternate 1985 that is why he disappears ( you see him being ill ) when he's back to 2015 but it wasn't show on film.

I kind of wished they kept that in. Having seen the clip, it's quite eerie...

 

[samsnee]

I remember one explanation Bob Gale gave, is that when Old Biff returns to 2015, he just gave the Almanac to himself, and no gambling took place yet. It will happen eventually, but that minor change (giving himself the Almanac) wasn't that big enough to automatically change 2015. If Old Biff had returned to 2015, let's say after Young Biff starts gambling, then 2015 would change drastically.

Ah but according to Bill & Ted, time is always moving. So doesn't matter if 1955 Biff started gambling, he'll have 60 years worth of time, thus erasing 2015 Biff.

I don't think there's a right or wrong answer here since time travel is not possible but it's fun to hear other theories.

 

[samsnee]

Only if you never planned to get back to the present. Doc and Marty will / were always get back to their present ( altered or not ) from 2015, so theoretically, it is possible to have two of you in "a" future ( I said "a" future because it can be changed by said time travel ).
Not sure if I'm clear.

Not sure I follow. It depends on where the observer is in the timeline. I view Marty as the observer. Thus he can go to 1955 and run into his other 1955 self, because the BTTF2 Marty is the future self of the BTTF1 Marty. However if BTTF1 Marty tried to jump into a future beyond his "present", he wouldn't meet himself, because as I said, time is linear and thus he would disappear from the timeline until he re-appeared in his future timeline.

 

[Travesty]

Again, that's not how it would work though, cause he would come back, so he would live into the future. The only way he wouldn't, is if he never came back.

 

[samsnee]

Again, that's not how it would work though, cause he would come back, so he would live into the future. The only way he wouldn't, is if he never came back.

I get that. But as I said, time to me is one line. You can't exist in the future if you disappear from the present. Thus you can't meet yourself in the future.

 

[Travesty]

The only way that would work, is if there was no way to travel in the past. Actual time travel/relativity works that way, but if you have the ability to travel to the past, it would negate that. You would still be able to see a future version of yourself, as long as you make it back to your original timeline.

 

[Dark Raven]

I prefer the original Jennifer (Claudia Wells) to the one from parts 2 and 3 (Elizabeth Shue). I thought she was prettier.

Apparently her mother had cancer, so she decided not to return to the role. That's a shame.