Action-Adventure The 'Back To The Future' Appreciation Thread - Part 2

[Spider-Fan83]

interesting point, in fact it was said that Clara was suppose to fall in the canyon an die that day, Marty claimed to have heard the story's of this happening (the canyon was even named after her)

if it was a matter of him being predestined to go back and save her (then the canyon should never been named after her, and he should have never heard of that story)

although, I guess his memory of this story and the canyon name, may have only been memory's from the original timeline, and they had already set forth chain of events that altered history, so at the point that he is reading the Grave, the name of the Canyon may have also been changed already, and no-one else knows of that old story other then him

if any of that makes sense

so, I guess to answer your question....

 

[BlueLightning]

Doc was supposed to pick her up at the train station as a favor to the Mayor. And that's how he met her in the first 1885 timeline to which Doc arrives and alters.

In the original timeline, nobody picked her up at the station, she went by herself on the carriage, the snake spook the horses and she fell to the canyon, that's why Doc and Marty remember the Clayton Ravine.

With Marty and the foreknowledge he brings, Doc didn't pick her up but ends up rescuing her before falling to the Ravine.

EDIT: Let's remember that Doc and Marty, as time travelers for some reason retain the memories of their original timeline.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Ok, I have a question for my fellow BTTF fans. In BTTF part 3, Marty finds the grave of Doc and it says "Erected to eternal memory by his beloved CLARA". My question is, how did Doc even meet Clara when Marty wasn't there? The only reason they met before was because DOC and Marty went scouting for locations and a snake spooked her horse. Doc would have had no reason to be out there without Marty. Am I missing something? Did Marty intervene somehow where they met differently? Am I going crazy and need to pay more attention to the movie!? Help!

Doc volunteered to pick up Clara from the train station in both timelines.

In the first, he picked her up thus never having her fall into the ravine.

In the second, he skips out on it to go with Marty but ends up saving her anyway.

Cool little easter egg, Clara is standing in the background at the train station (presumably waiting for Doc to pick her up) when Marty and Doc are figuring out how fast the train can go.

EDIT: BlueLightning's got it.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Doc was supposed to pick her up at the train station as a favor to the Mayor. And that's how he met her in the first 1885 timeline to which Doc arrives and alters.

In the original timeline, nobody picked her up at the station, she went by herself on the carriage, the snake spook the horses and she fell to the canyon, that's why Doc and Marty remember the Clayton Ravine.

With Marty and the foreknowledge he brings, Doc didn't pick her up but ends up rescuing her before falling to the Ravine.

EDIT: Let's remember that Doc and Marty, as time travelers for some reason retain the memories of their original timeline.

Doc volunteered to pick up Clara from the train station in both timelines.

In the first, he picked her up thus never having her fall into the ravine.

In the second, he skips out on it to go with Marty but ends up saving her anyway.

Cool little easter egg, Clara is standing in the background at the train station (presumably waiting for Doc to pick her up) when Marty and Doc are figuring out how fast the train can go.

EDIT: BlueLightning's got it.

That makes sense. Yes. I remember Clara standing at the train station when Marty and Doc were looking at the map.

Thanks!

 

[Dave McFly]

couple of years ago I re read the old tie in novelizations and there is a scene where in part II where Doc in 1955 runs into Old Man Peabody having a conversation with the police. and his truck has the words Twin crossed off and the word Lone above it on his Twin Pines lettering on his door talking to the cop about the 'space bastard that killed his pine'.

 

[DyeLorean]

The Clara stuff in Part III is very, very interesting because you know those three different outcomes: the original where Clara dies (as told by Marty), the second one where Doc picks her up, and the third one which is what they show.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Doing my annual trilogy watch and as always, watching it is a delight, never fails to entertain.

 

[Broseph44]

Curious if anyone else shares my sentiment in my preference of part 3 over 2. I love all 3 films but when putting them into order for favorites it goes 1,3,2.

 

[Mandon Knight]

I think because part 2 is so different to 1 & 3 and has more plot carrying to do, that it gets 'lost' within the framework of the trilogy, but 3 is the most 'underrated' by all accounts....

 

[Drizzle]

Curious if anyone else shares my sentiment in my preference of part 3 over 2. I love all 3 films but when putting them into order for favorites it goes 1,3,2.

I like Part III better than the second half of Part II, if that counts. Once they leave Trump's Biff's casino and go back to 1955 it becomes too much of a retread of the first movie and gets a little boring to me.

 

[Broseph44]

I like Part III better than the second half of Part II, if that counts. Once they leave Trump's Biff's casino and go back to 1955 it becomes too much of a retread of the first movie and gets a little boring to me.

Yeah I think that still counts, I'll allow it

 

[sueb1863]

I've always preferred 3 to 2. The second movie just went way off the rails in terms of tone in relation to the first movie, at least to me.

 

[KnightErrant]

EDIT: Let's remember that Doc and Marty, as time travelers for some reason retain the memories of their original timeline.

Is it not usually explained in time travel stories that happens cause the traveller is outside of the time stream when the changes take place?

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I love all 3, but once they leave 2015, BTTF2 becomes a little..stale? Personally.

 

[titansupes]

Love all of them, but Part II as always been my favourite. The now-not-so-future section is a great, imaginative ride.The Alt'85 was "heavy", and that third act is fast and complex (while always maintaining clarity) and rife with tension and excitement that's deftly woven throughout the events of the first one, which must've been so difficult to do.

 

[DyeLorean]

The second half of Part II where they show what happened in Part I but from a different perspective is probably the most fascinating thing about the time travel mechanics introduced in the trilogy. I don't understand how that can be boring!!

 

[Travesty]

I love all three, but Part 2 has always been my favorite.

 

[BlueLightning]

Is it not usually explained in time travel stories that happens cause the traveller is outside of the time stream when the changes take place?

I guess I can't fully wrap my mind of the "time wave change" in the films. According to the film logic, a change in the past changes the future like a wave in some sort of "meta-time" in which the reality is altered.

This is why Marty's picture of his siblings fades away progressively, starting with the elder brother towards Marty himself. That's why also old Biff returns to the same 2015 future and (in a deleted scene) he fades away, caught in the time wave change.

This leads me to think that their memories should align to their lives according to the time wave. But I start disgressing and it's better to keep it simple.

As for the ratings, for me the first one is the best movie, the second one is fascinatingly and more complex, but the third one is my favorite.

 

[aszxc]

I just saw the title and for a second I thought there was some kind of reboot/sequel/remake was in the works that I was unaware of. made me very angry for a second.

 

[sueb1863]

It's really best not to think too much about the whole time travel logic in these movies. It's just going to end in a headache...

 

[OcStat]

I just want to agree with what DyeLorean said earlier.

And perhaps add that the more I rewatch the trilogy as I get older, Part III gets better and better.

 

[STARMAN]

I loved the first one but never like either sequel.

 

[Golgo-13]

Just finished binging all 3.... again! Just realized something; at the point when old Biff gives his younger self the Almanac in BTTF 2, there are 4 versions of the delorean present in 1955;

The one old Biff stole in 2015, the one Marty accidently gets sent back to 1955 in from 1985 in BTTF 1, the one Doc and Marty travel back to 1955 in to retrieve the almanac from Biff, and the one 1885 Doc leaves hidden in the mine to be found in BTTF 3.

 

[jmc]

Wouldn't there still only be 3 though? The 1885 Delorean can't happen until the flying Delorean is struck by lightning.

 

[samsnee]

Depends on if you think everything is happening linearly I guess.