BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - Part 13

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I could live with it for sure, but it's far from ideal. Practically the only differences from the Nolan suit are the bigger symbol (good), the white eyes (great), and the two-tone (barely) scheme. The belt is worse than the Nolan belt, imho, as far as impractical OCD belts go (I know my taste in belts runs towards the unsightly mess end of the spectrum, which is even less popular than purple gloves). And it's got all the same jigsaw puzzle problems, except these are clearly, clearly aesthetic only, whereas Nolan's at least attempted to look functional.

But I'll say this, Affleck looks A LOT better in this cowl than he does in the Noel one.

You're off the mark here. This design hardly shares any similarities with TDK suit. Yes, there are lines in this design suggestive of armor, but nothing close to the "puzzle problems" you mentioned or the overly complicated design of TDK suit. There's also clearly a two-tone/black-grey color scheme to this design, but everything has a shine to it simply because of the way the image has been rendered (it looks somewhat computerized).

More things that separate this from the TDK suit would be the connected cape and cowl, bigger and more noticeable symbol (as you mentioned), and while this design is suggestive of Batman wearing armor, it is clearly form-fitting to his body, unlike TDK suit. I think this would be a great start for a traditional Batsuit that doesn't look flimsy.

It's the New 52 suit, btw.
 
The guy is a contributor to Batman on Film...take his info with a grain of salt.

Thanks for the warning.

It makes sense- Jett posted some vague BS about the suit being more armoured than ever a while back, so this probably amounts to the usual half-arsed back-track that he hopes will be the first step towards everyone forgetting what he initially said.
 
Promotional image from Injustice:

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It is probably better than the suit from the game. I think this is a good look for not too armory, not "spandex", but also traditional looking.


Texture is a real key into making a tradional looking Batsuit look legit for film.

We have a winner!
 
Thanks for the warning.

It makes sense- Jett posted some vague BS about the suit being more armoured than ever a while back, so this probably amounts to the usual half-arsed back-track that he hopes will be the first step towards everyone forgetting what he initially said.

I don't mean to knock anyone's website but I think people see it on Forbes.com and think this is legit info. It could be legit but you have to consider the source.
 
You're off the mark here. This design hardly shares any similarities with TDK suit. Yes, there are lines in this design suggestive of armor, but nothing close to the "puzzle problems" you mentioned or the overly complicated design of TDK suit. There's also clearly a two-tone/black-grey color scheme to this design, but everything has a shine to it simply because of the way the image has been rendered (it looks somewhat computerized).

More things that separate this from the TDK suit would be the connected cape and cowl, bigger and more noticeable symbol (as you mentioned), and while this design is suggestive of Batman wearing armor, it is clearly form-fitting to his body, unlike TDK suit. I think this would be a great start for a traditional Batsuit that doesn't look flimsy.

It's the New 52 suit, btw.

I'm beginning to think you just like baiting me, Shape...

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1) The lines on this suit do not imply armor, at least not to me, and as I said originally, to a lesser degree than the TDK suit. They apply aesthetics of "lines" - please see included picture. To me, especially the shoulder region is indicative of "more lines!" rather than thought out armor, so I'd say the puzzle problem is just as bad.
2) I said that it had a two-tone design... barely. And if you count the lines, it's a 3-tone design.
3) If you're going to defend the look of this shiny suit because it's a computer rendering, and it's supposed to look not-shiny, we can defend the look of TDK suit for looking rubbery because it's rubber, but "supposed" to look non-rubbery.
Having seen TDK suit made out of leather and carbon weave materials, I can definitely say that the design looks WAY better when it's not made out of rubber.
4) Speaking of rubber and flimsiness, did you notice the way this suit bends and contorts, particularly in the belly area? One of the things we all complain about so much with TDK suit is the rubber-bendiness. Computer shine aside, that suit bends in the same way as TDK's, and that's a big problem to me. In fact, I've never seen a shot of TDK suit bending in the abdomen region like that.
5) I don't think the suit is any more form-fitting to Batman than TDK's suit. I see it more as a sculpted piece, ala the 89 suit which I think is a big downgrade (unless you're suggesting that he wears attached plate armor but leaves his obliques & serratus unprotected).
The underneath layer of TDK suit is formfitting - as many have pointed out, one of the great ironies of TDK suit is that there was a perfectly good fabric suit sitting underneath that crappy foam rubber puzzle.

So yes, the cowl is better (hey it fits Affleck's face like a glove in the pics I made of him in it) and is connected to the cape, but so was the BB suit. I guess I could have specified that I was referring to the entirety of what we've seen before. I don't consider this suit a good basis for what I want to see on the screen, as it has every single one of the problems from the previous incarnations with the exception of what I originally identified - a large symbol, a basically two-tone design, and white eyes.

I really don't see where I'm "off the mark," - I can see where we disagree about the suit, especially in the area of whether it looks flimsy or not, but to say I'm objectively "off the mark" is a little bit much, eh? Are we ever going to get around to agreeing on something one of these days? I grew up on Phantom and Halloween, dude, I gotta imagine we can trade a couple kind words eventually, ya?
 
I don't mean to knock anyone's website but I think people see it on Forbes.com and think this is legit info. It could be legit but you have to consider the source.

I'm really crossing my fingers that you're right. And I've come around to buying your belief in Kevin Smith's comments. After seeing this suit looking so close to perfect in the manips, I just don't see why they couldn't achieve it. So I'm betting you're right, they did, and that's what Smith saw.
 

Just thought I'd post this one again, since I'm such a BatFan1979 Fan ;)

One of the most kick-ass things about this manip, aside from the fact that it takes an awesome approach to that Forbes.com "info," is the utility belt. It looks realistic in its size, but also high-tech, with smart clasps, and more rugged than the typical "realistic" belt.

I also really love the leg design. Lots of winning aspects of this manip.

The one thing I think could stand real improvement is the logo.
 
There really isn't much to fault with that.
 
It better not have the underwear on the outside, or I'm gonna be pissed.
 
I'm beginning to think you just like baiting me, Shape...

I don't like baiting anyone. If someone else had said what you said, I would have responded to them in the same way...


1) The lines on this suit do not imply armor, at least not to me, and as I said originally, to a lesser degree than the TDK suit. They apply aesthetics of "lines" - please see included picture. To me, especially the shoulder region is indicative of "more lines!" rather than thought out armor, so I'd say the puzzle problem is just as bad.

In your diagram (a bit unnecessary but a good effort nonetheless), you pointed to 3 lines as being aesthetic-only jigsaw lines. How are those symmetrical lines "just as bad" or over-designed as this:

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Even if you consider the lines on this design to be aesthetic-only, they're still more visually appealing (and acceptable) than the jigsaw pieces of the TDK suit...and this is coming from a guy who liked the TDK suit.


3) If you're going to defend the look of this shiny suit because it's a computer rendering, and it's supposed to look not-shiny, we can defend the look of TDK suit for looking rubbery because it's rubber, but "supposed" to look non-rubbery.

This doesn't make sense. The way this imagine is rendered, it's obviously meant to have a shine or gloss to it. However, it's one way that an artist chose to render this image. Look at another non-computerized rendering of the New 52 suit that is nearly the exact same design as the one in question, which also includes the aesthetic-only lines you've referred to:

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Same design, but looks quite different when drawn in a different way. Also notice the much more obvious black/grey color scheme.

The TDK suit, on the other hand, looks rubbery or plasticky because that's simply what it is and how we see it. You can't change the way it looks because we've only seen it in one medium, which is film (and still photography). The shiny design we're talking about wouldn't necessarily have to look that way if it would brought to life.

4) Speaking of rubber and flimsiness, did you notice the way this suit bends and contorts, particularly in the belly area? One of the things we all complain about so much with TDK suit is the rubber-bendiness. Computer shine aside, that suit bends in the same way as TDK's, and that's a big problem to me. In fact, I've never seen a shot of TDK suit bending in the abdomen region like that.

Um, you should keep in mind we're not talking about a real suit here. That's not a photograph of a person wearing a Batsuit. That's an artist's rendering of Batman. The artist who created it CHOSE to have that slight bend in the suit. However, it's entirely plausible that a professional costume designer could conceive a suit based on that design that does not bend or contort in such a way, much like the Man of Steel suit never bends or creases.


I don't consider this suit a good basis for what I want to see on the screen, as it has every single one of the problems from the previous incarnations with the exception of what I originally identified - a large symbol, a basically two-tone design, and white eyes.

To say it has every single one of the problems from the previous suits is a gross exaggeration. This design is still pretty darn similar to Batman's classic look. It just seems as if you won't accept anything other than a fabric-looking body suit.


Are we ever going to get around to agreeing on something one of these days? I grew up on Phantom and Halloween, dude, I gotta imagine we can trade a couple kind words eventually, ya?

I have never said anything to you that I would consider unkind. Disagreeing with someone is not being mean or baiting. In fact, disagreement is a pretty standard thing around these parts. I've enjoyed your work on the manips as well as your other contributions in this thread. Maybe we'd be better friends if you made a stubble-less Batfleck manip for once. :hehe:
 
I was hoping someone would point that out. If the suit is Jim Lee inspired, that's the only batsuit designed by Jim Lee so, if true, that'll be similar to how it looks.

We've been through this a few times.

It might be the case, but Kevin's other comments seem to diminish the probability.
 
The artist who created it CHOSE to have that slight bend in the suit. However, it's entirely plausible that a professional costume designer could conceive a suit based on that design that does not bend or contort in such a way...

Or the artist who created it was too lazy not to make it bend ;) Who knows? I agree with you that it could be made to look fine by someone who wanted it to look fine. I've seen the new 52 suit look great in lots of pages, and I've done quite a few manips of the new 52 suit that I think look pretty sweet. So I'll agree with you that the new 52 suit could be a fine starting point, but it would need to be handled very, very carefully, because I've seen several incarnations that approach TDK(r) levels of craptitude, and some that also go beyond it.

Maybe we'd be better friends if you made a stubble-less Batfleck manip for once. :hehe:

LOL, touche, amigo. Thanks for this. I'll make at least one good stubble-less Batfleck, for you.

Sorry for getting so defensive =P Also... can I get a :highfive: for Phantom and the Shape? ;)
 
That's really your only criteria for what qualifies as a good suit?
They work in comics and in the animated movies/tv shows, I just think they look weird and cheesy in live action, maybe that's just me tho.
 
The truly big thing for me is the cape/cowl combo form the animated series. I hate the cape clips from the films. Give me a cape that closes around him completely and I will be happy.
 
We've been through this a few times.

It might be the case, but Kevin's other comments seem to diminish the probability.

Right, and as you've pointed out a few times, Jim Lee has designed more than just the new 52 suit. He did the Super Alloy design:

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, although looking at it, I guess that's just the New 52 suit bulked up and made out of different material...

And I think I remember hearing he did this as well:
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Even if the batsuit is "Jim Lee inspired" that doesn't mean a literal translation of that suit to the screen. I'd say things are still fairly open.
 
Right, and as you've pointed out a few times, Jim Lee has designed more than just the new 52 suit. He did the Super Alloy design:

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, although looking at it, I guess that's just the New 52 suit bulked up and made out of different material...

And I think I remember hearing he did this as well:
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First design is the Jim Lee's New 52 design. Second image is just based on his artwork (which Affleck, or any human, couldn't emulate) but Bob Kane's (final) design.
They work in comics and in the animated movies/tv shows, I just think they look weird and cheesy in live action, maybe that's just me tho.


I was trying to reference the fact that apparently only underoos would turn you off from a suit. As if something like Kilmer's Sonar suit was good.
 
First design is the Jim Lee's New 52 design. Second image is just based on his artwork (which Affleck, or any human, couldn't emulate) but Bob Kane's Bill Finger's (final) design.

Easy now.
 
I still adore TDK suit, i dont care what the haters say. Love that friggin suit.

But the pics that you guys are showing all look really cool. They need to get far away from the Bale suits.
 
The New 52 suit could look good if it's translated properly (read: not how Jim Lee draws it).
 
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