BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - Part 13

[KillerMcQueen]

Got any screen caps to support your point? And no the stupid cell phone ones from Nolan don't count.

I firmly believe there are multiple ways they could be effectively handled in live action, I don't like how they look in that manip but a manip is hardly proof of whether something would/wouldn't work.

 

[BatLobster]

I have to admit, while I enjoy a lot of BattleAngel's manips it does feel slightly incestuous and icky to me whenever I see Affleck's mouth in Bale's cowl, haha.

I'd be open to lenses, but I do think it robs the actor of an opportunity to act (eyes being the gateway to the soul 'n all) and the glowing lenses make me feel like Dr. Manhattan is behind the cowl or something. But it does have some potential to be badass.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I firmly believe there are multiple ways they could be effectively handled in live action, I don't like how they look in that manip but a manip is hardly proof of whether something would/wouldn't work.

So do I, to believe otherwise is ludicrous, especially since no one has really attempted them. It comes down to one internet user saying "No it cannot be done" which is... ahahahahahaah no! levels of wrong.

 

[Travesty]

Got any screen caps to support your point? And no the stupid cell phone ones from Nolan don't count.

do you have any screen caps to support your point?

I mean seriously. "The technology doesn't exist"? Really?

I have no idea what you're talking about.


All I know is, lenses look like ****, with EVERY example I've seen for live action.

 

[BattleAngel]

If you think that looks worse than the actual shot from the movie, you're mentally insane or just hating to hate.
Or maybe lenses just look silly in live action, lol.

Oh, but that's right, you're, like, a photoshop pro. Maybe I need to be quite with any opinion I have.

And you know they look silly in live action because... you've seen them before? Can you show me an example in video format, please? Of a version of lenses done with even remotely a high enough budget to provide an example of what Snyder's take on them could look like?

If you think the lenses look silly in this manip, or in any of BatFan1979's, etc. etc. that's just your personal taste - a lot of these pictures have made us fan boys sprout wood and I guarantee that the lenses are part of what makes Ben Affleck, an actor who probably none of us are mega fans of, disappear into the Batman many of us grew up with.

I'm no photoshop pro - I can't even figure out how to download it correctly so that it installs on my computer. My manips are hacked together in an insanely primitive way in a free program called Sumopaint.

But I know enough about post-processing effects to know that it's absolutely possible to pull off the effect, in motion, to the quality level of the best of these manips, and in a way that still conveys emotion (and I'd be willing to bet, actually helps convey emotion better, something that every actor in the Bat-mask has had a real challenge to pull off with their eyes caked in makeup and looking shrunken within those giant eye cavities). The technology exists, and if you don't like the way it looks in the manips, that's just your opinion. It's not objectively silly in the least.

But because I like to please:

(bale's eyes above, fleck's eyes below)

Here's Batfleck... wearing the eye makeup he has to put on every time he puts on the costume... way less "silly."

 

[BatLobster]

Wow, Fleck's eyes actually look fairly similar to Bale's eyes behind the cowl. I may not have even been able to tell right away if it wasn't for the mouth/chin.

The issue with the lenses isn't so much about the technology. It'd just be basic rotoscoping. It's more just that in order for it to look cool they have to be narrow slits like the ones you did above. Logistically it seems like something of a challenge to make a cowl with narrow slits that the actor is going to be able to see in. I mean the other option is just going with a motion tracking dots solution and have a heavily CG-modified cowl/head, but that may not be to everyone's liking.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

do you have any screen caps to support your point?

No, this is where you provide examples of the terrible live-action ones you hate so much. We're waiting.

All I know is, lenses look like ****, with EVERY example I've seen for live action.

These are the ones you haven't seen, the same ones that don't exist, lolamirite?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I personally think high-tech contacts are the way to go should they want to do lenses, would allow them to do a version of detective mode as well as allow the Batfleck to still emote with his eyes.

 

[Travesty]

And you know they look silly in live action because... you've seen them before? Can you show me an example in video format, please? Of a version of lenses done with even remotely a high enough budget to provide an example of what Snyder's take on them could look like?

oh jesus, this again? Have you seen the lenses in
Live action(actually you have, and they looked like ****.)?

If you think the lenses look silly in this manip, or in any of BatFan1979's, etc. etc. that's just your personal taste - a lot of these pictures have made us fan boys sprout wood and I guarantee that the lenses are part of what makes Ben Affleck, an actor who probably none of us are mega fans of, disappear into the Batman many of us grew up with.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

And you know they look silly in live action because... you've seen them before? Can you show me an example in video format, please? Of a version of lenses done with even remotely a high enough budget to provide an example of what Snyder's take on them could look like?

Of course he can't. But hey, argueargueargue! It's the internet after all.

 

[Travesty]

No, this is where you provide examples of the terrible live-action ones you hate so much. We're waiting.



These are the ones you haven't seen, the same ones that don't exist, lolamirite?

You do know the lenses have been done multiple times, right?


Right? Soooooooo, just watch the movies "for examples....right...Right!!!"

 

[BattleAngel]

Wow, Fleck's eyes actually look fairly similar to Bale's eyes behind the cowl. I may not have even been able to tell right away if it wasn't for the mouth/chin.

Creepy, right? And I know what you mean about the incestuous nature of seeing him in the Bale cowl. But I do believe he looks better in it than bale does

The issue with the lenses isn't so much about the technology... It's more just that in order for it to look cool they have to be narrow slits like the ones you did above. Logistically it seems like something of a challenge to make a cowl with narrow slits that the actor is going to be able to see in. I mean the other option is just doing a motion sensor thing and have a heavily CG-modified cowl/head, but that may not be to everyone's liking.

Right - the whole cowl would have to be CG-modified. Static slits for the eyes wouldn't work.

The cowl I'm imagining has a bit more "give" than what we've seen before - it was mentioned a few iterations of the thread ago, where someone imagined it as a more form fitting mask made of similarly high tech reinforced fabric, that would have give in the eyebrow range. I'm not a fan of CG typically, but I believe when it's used as an enhancer rather than to make something out of whole cloth, it can be great.

Here's some good white eyes stuff from the comics - there's something so sad about them in the last 2 panels - that's the kind of emotion I'm looking for, and I haven't seen in any of the movies yet.

I'll try to Fleck them.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

You do know the lenses have been done multiple times, right?

I know I've been waiting for you to show some examples which you continue to not provide.

 

[Travesty]

I know I've been waiting for you to show some examples which you continue to not provide.

I do know there are movies in which you can watch yourself.

How are you not grasping this, yet? Lol

Let me guess: there's never been a puzzly Batsuit, either?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I do know there are movies in which you can watch yourself.

Are they the same movies with the awful lenses that you keep talking about but can't seem to provide examples of?

Seriously, Batboards, is this a hidden camera show? There's no way this little dude can be serious.

 

[BatLobster]

To be fair...in BF and TDK, the "sonar" lenses aren't narrow slits like we're used to seeing, but instead occupy the whole eye area of those cowls which is why they look kinda weird.

The more relevant example of what people probably want to see is closer, ironically to...

 

[Travesty]

Are they the same movies with the awful lenses that you keep talking about but can't seem to provide examples .

I'm taking a hard guess that these are the only live action Batman movies you have seen in your life:

B66
B89
BR
B&R
BB
TDKR




Now, please, let me know if you've seen more, because this "little dude" is serious. And if you have seen more than this, you're a ****in idiot. If you need me to spell it out for you even more, please, let me know, I'd love to do it for the 100th time.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Batman's little orphan Annie eyes or lack of them is the new "Underwear/No Underwear" debate.

 

[BatLobster]

Actually, after looking at a few shots of the sonar eyes from TDK they actually were about the same size as the DD lenses, so never mind.

Yeah, they'd really have to be narrow slits in order to work. The bulbous lenses really just look weird on Batman for some reason.

 

[Travesty]

Dude, there were no lenses in TDK....they've never been done before, brooooooo.

 

[BattleAngel]

I'm taking a hard guess that these are the only live action Batman movies you have seen in your life:

B66
B89
BR
B&R
BB
TDKR




Now, please, let me know if you've seen more, because this "little dude" is serious. And if you have seen more than this, you're a ****in idiot. If you need me to spell it out for you even more, please, let me know, I'd love to do it for the 100th time.

I get it, now... you've listed all the Batman live action movies... with the exception of TDK... literally the only one to even half-way attempt the lens effect... and the technique they used to do it is practically like comparing the cartoon laser beams from ghostbusters movies to modern day particle effects.

If you're judging based on TDK, you aren't imagining the effect done the way I'm suggesting it can be done. We already agree that TDK suit and their approach to making Batman look as cool as he can was a... wait for it... travesty. So why in god's name would you be basing your expectations on something that is already acknowledged as not being remotely as good as it could have been?

Unless you're basing your opinion on some other footage, in which case I have to join the voices asking for you to show it.

Anyway, not that this is going to be persuasive, but I'm pretty impressed that I was able to do even a halfway (okay, quarter-way) decent job Flecking this sequential...

 

[Travesty]

I get it, now... you've listed all the Batman live action movies... with the exception of TDK... literally the only one to even half-way attempt the lens effect...

Plus..............

 

[BatLobster]

"Flecking".

Sounds dirty.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Plus..............

Batman Forever, they get it, but those aren't the only two ways to do lenses in live action.

 

[MrsKent26]

I thought the lenses in TDK looked kinda cool.

*shrugs*