BvS The Batsuit Thread - Part 14

[Jekecy]

Bruce is one out of tons of people that lives on the outskirts of the city he protects. Anyone could be Batman, because no one can get a good description of a ninja beast kicking butt in the dark. Also, not many people have optical scanners, so that is a very rare situation.

If we're to narrow down the batsuit only to its bare necessities, we'd barely have a batsuit at all. The point is not to necessarily create an indisputable reason for a design element to exist, but to create a plausible one for why it could be there.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

It's crazy to me that we are having this conversation, again, with almost the identical beats. Thank you, BatFan1979 for the animated manip, the repeat conversation was worth it!

And yeah, the Keaton pic is cool, but I think most of us agreed before that Keaton was virtually the only actor who has been able to use his eyes effectively as Batman. I agree that the 1989 Batman would not have been as effective with the white lenses. One of the main reasons that I am massively in favor of them now is because we only just now have the technology available to filmmakers to really do them justice. And if designed into the approach to Batman, this time around, I think they'd complete the transformation of Ben Affleck into the most comic accurate Batman yet.

Exactly. I feel like Keaton understood the limitations of the suit, ironically more than the later actors, and "overacted" with his eyes.
It's a weird contrast between his subtle line delivery, like he's developing the Batman persona as h e goes.

That being said, I've always thought of the eyes as more of a distant glow. I think that the white looks scarier, but the real eyes as more emotive.

So use the white when he has to be creepy, and let his eyes be when he has to be sympathetic (or show an extreme amount of emotion).

 

[BattleAngel]

Just a really crappy one I knocked out fast since I haven't done one in a day or two. This is cruder than usual, but I loved the original image...

I did a black version but, meh...

 

[MrsKent26]

^ I love that image too. Amazing. Really want a shot like that.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Original:

Manip:

No emotion lost, and the right eye even has more detail drawn to it by the dim lense lights.

Which become ultrabright when Batman is drowned in shadow.

 

[MrsKent26]

Coco, you are rocking the manips lately. This is so cool.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Thank you. I've always hated the idea that just because something hasn't been done before in a serious way, it's inherently impossible.

I think the glowing eyes give him a spectre quality. The inhumanity of a robot combined with the primality of a creature, and the intellect of a man.

If Batman is in good lighting designed to show off his face, lights should be dim or non-existent. Lenses could pop on or off (TDK style) or just be integrated into the mask.

I don't like the idea of white contacts. It's a bit too cartooney for me

 

[MrsKent26]

^ They do exactly that. While I won't stomp my feet if we don't get them, I think they're worth trying.

 

[B:TAS]

One thing that is important to fighters, especially like Indonesian fighters, etc. is to have their "spirit" come through their eyes. What I interpret they mean by that is to project their intensity thru the eyes. When you fight, you should be looking directly at your target, so on a groin shot you should be looking down, etc. When striking in the face, or throat you should make full eye contact with the target. Project your anger, intent, intensity, like if you were burning a hole through your target. I personally think the eyes should show. I don't know why the eyes should ever be covered except if he is using tear-gas, pepper spray, or any other chemical agent that affects vision.

Not exactly true, I'm a boxer and using your eyes as deception is a key part. i.e. looking at the stomach, making them think you're going to punch there and then punch the face

 

[Shazam]

Get away from the rubber suits.......just give him the fabric spandex tights

 

[lujho]

IF there's anything other than bare eyes, the eyes shouldn't actively glow (like with LEDs or something). They only need to REFLECT, so that the cinematographer/director can bounce a light off them at key moments to give the APPEARANCE of glowing eyes, but no actual glow.

If there were to be lenses at all, I honestly think the best thing might be completely clear ones that are barely there in well lit scenes but reflective enough to have the white eye effect if needed. Or as I've said before *slightly* mirrored ones.

Lenses that retract or lights than come one when it's dark is just too much. Keep it simple.

But I'm pretty sure we'll get plain eyes and black eye paint again, which is good enough. Might be nice to acknowledge the paint as actually being there though.

 

[MrsKent26]

IF there's anything other than bare eyes, the eyes shouldn't actively glow (like with LEDs or something). They only need to REFLECT, so that the cinematographer/director can bounce a light off them at key moments to give the APPEARANCE of glowing eyes, but no actual glow.

If there were to be lenses at all, I honestly think the best thing might be completely clear ones that are barely there in well lit scenes but reflective enough to have the white eye effect if needed. Or as I've said before *slightly* mirrored ones.

Lenses that retract or lights than come one when it's dark is just too much. Keep it simple.

But I'm pretty sure we'll get plain eyes and black eye paint again, which is good enough. Might be nice to acknowledge the paint as actually being there though.

I'm hoping for both. Lenses at times, just eyes at others.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

As long as it is implied that Batman's switching a device in his helmet on and off, I'm fine with it

I think a billionaire having a bunch of mysterious gadgets shouldn't be out of place

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I'm hoping for both. Lenses at times, just eyes at others.

Me too. Arkham Style, with the lights representing an LED screen that pops up or night vision enhancement

But NORMALLY human eyes 60-80 percent of the time

 

[MrsKent26]

The lenses would just be for certain scenes when he's lurking in the dark. Eyes for the rest of the time.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ That's fair trade-off

Batman can emote like a normal man, and stalk like a BATMAN

 

[MrsKent26]

Yes! Bring it, Snyder!

 

[Reel-Man]

I've said this before but semi-transparent lenses are the way to go. From far they look white but as you get closer you can see his eyes. Imagine looking at the creature from far and then when you get closer you notice it's eyes staring right back at you. Eerie!

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ That sounds good.

 

[Reel-Man]

Yeah kind of like that. Really plays up to the creature of the night aspect. I really hope Snyder plays his cards right and doesn't go for the same old stuff we've seen before.

 

[Mindreaper21]

I don't believe lenses or the will make him look any more like a creature than he already does. It's his presence that makes a big difference. For example

Batman Year One
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While glowing eyes may be scary, they also give away his position when he's stalking his prey. If Batman rarely uses the lenses, then he may as well not use them at all. Now, speakers to make his voice echo, I'd go for that.

 

[Jekecy]

Yeah kind of like that. Really plays up to the creature of the night aspect. I really hope Snyder plays his cards right and doesn't go for the same old stuff we've seen before.

With JL looming around the corner, we may be too far ahead into Batman's career for that. Once literal gods are introduced, a mere supernatural act may not be enough. It would seem more appropriate for Batman to lean towards the technological and urban warfare side.

 

[BatFan1979]

Well, I couldn't sleep, so I decided to do another little animation from a past manip. These are short, but kind of fun to do! Hope you enjoy it

 

[lujho]

I've said this before but semi-transparent lenses are the way to go. From far they look white but as you get closer you can see his eyes. Imagine looking at the creature from far and then when you get closer you notice it's eyes staring right back at you. Eerie!

Yes! Retractable is needlessly complex, and either involves adding extra bulk to the cowl to do the retracting practically, or cheating it with CGI where they retract away into nothing.

And if he had them, why would he bother retracting them at all? If you were a superhero and wore safety lenses that didn't hamper your vision at all, why would you EVER not wear them?

Always-there, mostly clear lenses is the simplest, most logical way to do it if you're doing it at all. It's that or nothing, IMO.

 

[whoa123]

Both of them are just phenomenal! Great work!