BvS The Batsuit Thread - - Part 25

[hafizbat]

Yeah, I seem to remember the TDK suit being hated on since this image first hit.

 

[The Shape]

Kicking off your career at the Hype with a post about Batman's neck. You're a man after my own heart.

Everyone's gotta start somewhere.

 

[The Shape]

What the heck? How the heck did my words get twisted so severely? Did nobody read my post?

I did not state or even come close to implying that this was anything to be ashamed of or conceal. BatScot tried to say the shoe was once on the other foot, and that most people in the Batsuit thread were pro-TDK/R suit. I simply refuted that and stated that hating on that suit was always the norm when it comes to the people who most often in the Batsuit threads (you know, the people who are most passionate about how the Batsuit should look). I then made sure to qualify that statement TWICE by saying there's nothing wrong with that and it's all good. It was only BatScot's argument that the reverse opinion was ever popular on this site that I wanted to point out as false.

Seriously, I'd love to know how you managed to turn me into the guy who's saying having an "independent" opinion was a bad thing. And regwec, you know me well enough to know that I wouldn't try to say anything remotely like that.

Jeez...

 

[The Shape]

Yeah, I seem to remember the TDK suit being hated on since this image first hit.


I wasn't one of those haters. I really enjoy seeing difference looks and interpretations for Batman and other favorite characters of mine. I even think the Arkham Knight suit is cool in its own right.

With that said, we HAD to get the black and grey suit this time, I KNEW we would get it, and I would have been pissed if we didn't.

 

[BatLobster]

Is this mocking or sympathizing? I honestly can't tell lol

 

[lujho]

This is how lenses should be done, IMO. Not white, not glowing (although it works for the armoured one in BvS). Just reflective.

Yes, they're still too big and bug-like in this particular example, but they don't have to be. Something closer to this shape would look better:

 

[BatScot]

Seriously, I'd love to know how you managed to turn me into the guy who's saying having an "independent" opinion was a bad thing.

Let's not pretend you weren't being a bit snarky with this comment:

We're never going to get anywhere by posting these kinds of thoughts in this thread though, it's just playing to the wroooong crowd, haha.

The implication being that pro TDK advocates were up against insurmountable bias, i.e., the 'wrong crowd'. But the direct answer to your question is simply that you got what I said wrong... not so long ago the 'wrong crowd' was the all black rubber I Trust In Nolan types who gave no quarter to anyone who had an "independent opinion".

I have no sympathy for anyone feigning offense now that the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[The Shape]

Is this mocking or sympathizing? I honestly can't tell lol

Bit of both.

 

[Boom]

If this ends up being the best batsuit in terms of movement and flexibility, then this will be a complete and sound win for those of us who have been arguing for a comic-book faithful suit for over a decade.

It will be a sense of euphoria that, frankly, could prove to be one of THE best moments I have as a fan on these boards.

The pressure is on, Snyder. The suit looks the best visually in a still image. You've got us pinned. Now go for the KO.

 

[BatLobster]

Let's not pretend you weren't being a bit snarky with this comment:
The implication being that pro TDK advocates were up against insurmountable bias, i.e., the 'wrong crowd'.

I have no sympathy for anyone feigning offense now that the shoe is on the other foot.

See, this is the problem with the internet sometimes...tone just gets completely lost. I honestly wasn't trying to be snarky, it was more just me taking a step back and acknowledging that WingedAvenger89 and I are just vastly outnumbered in this thread and any pro-Balesuit comments are a drop in the ocean. Just like, "man we're barking up the wrong tree aren't we?". I saw some humor in it, you're the one who took offense to that. I have no problem being in the minority and I had no intention to mock anyone with the opposing opinion. It was just sort of conceding defeat in a way. Mind you, I dig the Snyder suit too (who wouldn't?).

As for

But the direct answer to your question is simply that you got what I said wrong... not so long ago the 'wrong crowd' was the all black rubber I Trust In Nolan types who gave no quarter to anyone who had an "independent opinion".

Again, I just disagree. I thought were talking about the Batsuit thread, not in general. At the very worst it was a 50/50 battle and that's being generous. Your run of the mill Nolanites were not populating the Batsuit forums saying "Black armor rulez!!!". Now sure, a lot of people doubted stuff like fabric, tights, etc., and probably still do, but you cannot seriously expect me to buy that this was some "independent" rogue opinion. It's always been a healthy group of folks.

Bit of both.

Should've figured as much, heh.

 

[Boom]

My memory could very well be failing me, but I seem to recall the "purists" being vastly outnumbered by the realism/practicality advocates, at least during Nolan's tenure. Obviously the tone seems to have shifted after Snyder gave everybody that swift punch in the face back in May.

And I still don't see why a suit similar to Batfleck's couldn't have worked just fine in those films.

 

[BatLobster]

I guess my memory could be failing me too. The problem in this fanbase is everyone tends to view themeselves as the underdog regardless of what the reality is, and we're all probably guilty of it at some point.

But I just remember page after page of manips of comments about how much better the suit would be with all these changes. Maybe it was a very vocal, very passionate minority but of course my memory is mainly going on the quantity of posts and now who was making them. There was always a back and forth going on regardless. This Batfleck suit is pretty much the first time everyone unanimously agreed right away.

So I get why people feel vindicated, I do. I'm legit happy for you if this is the suit you've always wanted to see on screen. But like others have said, I just enjoy the difference between the various versions. For me it's, "cool we get the purist version now". Not "FINALLY this is what it always should've been, screw everything else!". That's just me though. I probably still like the Burton suit more than the 'Fleck suit, and 'Fleck may be tied with the Nolan suit for me. Gotta see it in action first though.

 

[regwec]

Lobster, I probably just misunderstood what you initially meant. You have been around long enough to remember the notion of a non-black rubber Batsuit being routinely rejected as an objective impossibility, however. Scot and I still bear the wounds of those days.

 

[WingedAvenger89]

If this ends up being the best batsuit in terms of movement and flexibility, then this will be a complete and sound win for those of us who have been arguing for a comic-book faithful suit for over a decade.

How were the other suits not faithful? They all had bat ears, cowls, masks, capes shaped like bat-wings, and utility belts. Visibly being mechanized stype military armor doesn't make it unfaithful. The new comic costume is exactly that BTW. Usually the more detail, and plating makes something look more plausible as real armor. Stuff that would be a necessity in any form of believability to be a vigilante crime fighter.

The only thing missing from previous movie suits was the stupid bright blue / grey, or original black / grey color scheme. Oh yea, the ever important undies outside the pants. With all it's inherent corniness.

Ringwood's B89 costume was literally just the Neal Adams suit from the comics, but logically drenched in all black, and with no stupid underwear. Also emphasizing the musculature was actually armor, and not thin pajamas.

All of them were faithful. What you're looking for or describing is an exact replica of what's on the page. Which rarely, if ever works. See Captain America in Avengers. Terrible. Few exceptions are the Spider-Man suits.

And that's basically what Snyder is giving us, an exact real life replica of the DKR suit, sans the undies. More texture, and armor / muscle plate beneath the outer suit.

It looks the best. We'll see how mobile it is ... the neck is all one pice, and thick looking like BEGINS so we'll see how it operates.

 

[regwec]

You just have criteria for fidelity which are different from Boom's. Redefining the properties of the Batsuit to be sufficiently expansive to include all of the movie versions is not particularly convincing.

 

[Boom]

I was, of course, mainly referencing the Nolan batsuits in my remark, but I can see where you might think I had included the Burton ones in there with the "over a decade" bit. Poor wording on my part.

For me, "comic book faithful" means a two-toned fabric suit that allows Batman the mobility and flexibility he needs to be an effective fighter. That is what we have seen Batman in for the majority of his seventy-five year existence in comics. In those regards, yes, I do feel the Burton suits fall short. They were all black, and the bulky, sculpted rubber suits greatly limited mobility and flexibility. Burton was able to compensate by giving us iconic silhouette shots (his cape and cowl remains the best in the cinematic medium as of now) and the movie never shied away from absurdity of its comic book roots, so I am more forgiving towards Keaton's costumes.

The Dark Knight suit is aesthetically hideous and, in my humble view, just barely recognizable as Batman. The bobble head (complete with koala nose and Doberman ears), the visually obscured chest emblem, the all-black color scheme, the excessive rigid plating, a cape that flows down the back and not around the body.

There has never been an established and recurring precedent in the comics for the kind of suit we got in TDK.

 

[ganon51]

The 2 Batmen

 

[WingedAvenger89]

just barely recognizable as Batman.

Which is a HUGE, laughable over exaggeration. Show an image of Batman from any of the films in TDK trilogy to a random casual and he's instantly recognizable as being the Batman.

Which is the whole crux of your ... no offense ... but dumb, and inaccuract point that the Batman suit in TDK trilogy isn't "faithful" ... it sounds absurd.

Bat Ears
Cowl
Cape
Chest Symbol
Utility Belt

FAITHFUL ...

The Joker?

Wears Purple
Wears a Suit
White Face
Green Hair
Red Lips
Looks like a Clown
Some form of a deformed hideous or permanent Grin

FAITHFUL

You didn't like it? Sure. Doesn't mean it's not faithful to the essence of the overall look of the characters. You prefer a LITERAL exact translation from the page. There is a difference in what you're saying though. Do you consider the Man of Steel suit faithful? Or is just the Donner Suit faithful?

The bobble head

Meh, I disagree. We got a cowl that was separate from the neck piece thus allowing him to totally turn his head. This is now a bad thing? Bale was thinnest in TDK, to fit the story he needed to quicker, but also to show the wear / tear of being Batman. In RISES he was a happy medium size wise between how big he looked in BEGINS and how athletic he was in TDK. And this DOES NOT look like a bobble head.

(complete with koala nose and Doberman ears)

There was no Koala nose, more exaggeration.

the visually obscured chest emblem

This I actually agree with. BEGINS it was more prominent, then in TDK(R) it was smaller, more streamlined, but lost in the complex armor design. I prefer a more eye grabbing chest symbol too.

the all-black color scheme

While it isn't in the comics. What's wrong with all black? It's probably a more logical improvement over the source material. It's menacing, and always has made the most sense. Black and Grey makes sense too, but all black is probably a better sell.

Meanwhile back at the sizzler, Batman in the source has wore BRIGHT BLUE and grey. Which makes absolutely, positively no sense for a) someone pretending to be a giant bat or b) a creature of the night or c) intimidating, or d) a living gargoyle.

the excessive rigid plating, a cape that flows down the back and not around the body.

Agree here too, I prefer the organic, Dracula esque cape drapping or engulfing his body making him a living silhouette.

There has never been an established and recurring precedent in the comics for the kind of suit we got in TDK.

Source material can be improved upon. Things get tweaked from page to screen with real people, and real settings. Why? Everything doesn't work as well in real life.

After TDK trilogy the bat suit is drawn as being visibly armored. I take it you prefer the armor to be hidden within the design to make it more organic looking?

That's preference, not an issue of faithfulness. You're playing mental gymnastics to fit your bias.

Batman may not have been visibly armored in the source material prior to TDK trilogy, but it's always been insinuated he was wearing body armor. Usually underneath his cloth / pajama thin costume material. He's had numerous different colored costumes in the comics too.

I take it you wish to see Batman in cloth thin costume? Because based off your definition of "faithful" that's what he should be wearing. It's not the comic book itself on screen, it's called an adaptation.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

The 2 Batmen

I only see one batman.....

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

I only see one batman.....

Affleck looks like Bane in a Batsuit.

 

[WingedAvenger89]

The 2 Batmen

Excellent. I wish you would've added Keaton from B89 on the left. I think Snyder is the perfet mix of both. Bale on the right looks more plausible, and functional. Keaton looks more organic, and comic accurate. Snyder's Bat suit is the best of both worlds.

 

[ganon51]

Affleck looks like Bane in a Batsuit.

Or the Jim lee Batman

 

[hafizbat]

I think this is the first time here where I agree with everyone...I find myself nodding after each post, even where there is a fierce debate going on. Both sides are making some good points

 

[WingedAvenger89]

This is literally accurate. And it looks cheap. It looks TERRIBLE.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Nobody is asking for that....