BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - Part 27

[matt47]

of course we can. That said, I'm not even sure we're in disagreement, it's more a case of me not attaching too much importance to that aspect, I'm not against it per se.

I guess I meant that we agree to disagree on the "importance" of having it in a real world setting?

 

[Naked Shia]

yeah, I get your point

 

[lujho]

No one ever said textured kevlar type cloth, with body armor padding underneath. Which is what we are getting now in BvS.

I did. Again and again, explicitly for over 10 years. I did photoshop mockups of what the armour under the cloth would look like. I did a detailed diagram of a suit with every element labelled saying what it would be made of, or what its texture would be like. And I wasn't the only one. Very, very few were clamoring for something like the Dead End suit "as is".

The main difference between what Snyder has given us and what I was imagining and arguing for, is that Affleck's suit has more visible muscle definition that I would have done, and that I was suggesting the fabric of the suit have a "skin-like" or leathery texture rather than a coarse fabric.

 

[lujho]

No, they are both rubber suits with cloth / wetsuit / mesh under or over suits with make believe armor plating. Only you're gushing over the hidden armor, and bashing the external armor. As if it makes things significantly different.

It doesn't. One isn't more valid than the other. They're essentially the same suit. Same amount of movie make believe.

Which is your critique of external rubber "armor" plating as opposed to underneath a textured cloth? That the one is obviously fake, while this one isn't either?

But they LOOK DIFFERENT!!!! That's the point. Cloth over armour vs armour over cloth is exactly how the debate was phrased back then. They're not the same, they're in inverse of each other.

People wanted the suit to LOOK DIFFERENT because they wanted it to look more like the comic they loved, not because it was any more "valid". A lot of people also wanted it to look more organic and creature like, which it does, because it doesn't have such a mechanical or sci-fi look.

No-one's arguing that one suit isn't basically the other turned inside out in terms of how they're made, but that doesn't mean that they can't look very different, which they do.

 

[regwec]

There is also the point that a rigid armoured exoskeleton detracts from the perception of Batman as stealthy, athletic martial artist. The fabric outer layer at least creates sufficient uncertainty about what lies underneath for the audience to accept that the costume is protective, light and fully flexible.

 

[lujho]

I'm positive the actual suit Ben is wearing is not light and it's guaranteed to have rubber molding.

The only difference really is the visual look to it, where they've opted for a more fabric-ish material to go over the mold.

For all intents and purposes I doubt in practical terms the actual suit is any more agile for Ben to wear than what Bale had on.

I'm sure you're mostly likely right - although I will say that whatever padding Ben's wearing is probably - unlike the basically one-piece Begins suit - probably a lot more separated and segmented, giving at least a bit more agility. We know what Cavill's undersuit looks like, and it is made of a bunch of separate parts and several unpadded areas, and Ben's is probably very similar.

I personally have never cared how light or agile the suits were, merely how light and agile they could APPEAR within the story of the film.

 

[lujho]

I have posted this a few times over the years - I think it's likely that IN-STORY, Bruce is wearing something like it.

 

[lujho]

Me, too. Like others have pointed out, I think the line "alien" is most likely Affleck's bat-voice.

Do you mean the quote at the start? That's Neil Degrasse Tyson!

 

[hafizbat]

My only remaining concern about the suit is about how well Batfleck will be able to move and fight. I hope Snyder didn't sacrifice too much to make Batfleck that bulky and muscular. So far we've only seen him stand around and look beastly, and he looks absolutely perfect doing that.

But I really want to see real Bat-action this time around, ala TWS. Cap's suit was made of cloth and looked very light and agile, which in turned allowed for the great fight choreography.

I think I read somewhere that mobility was a big point of emphasis for Snyder though, so hopefully it'll turn out well. No more slowpoke Batman, please.

 

[titansupes]

I have posted this a few times over the years - I think it's likely that IN-STORY, Bruce is wearing something like it.

What's that panel from?

Do you mean the quote at the start? That's Neil Degrasse Tyson!

The voice that says "Alien" cuts into the Tyson quote and sound very Batman-y.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Do you mean the quote at the start? That's Neil Degrasse Tyson!

But when he says "being" we hear someone who interrupts him by saying "Alien!", as if to correct him.

 

[lujho]

What's that panel from?

The voice that says "Alien" cuts into the Tyson quote and sound very Batman-y.

No, I'm pretty sure that's two separate lines from Tyson edited together (or something taken out for brevity). "Alien" comes in harshly and doesn't fit what came before, but It's all Tyson.

The Panel is from a Batman arc by the creators of 100 Bullets. I think it might have been called Broken City.

 

[lujho]

But I really want to see real Bat-action this time around, ala TWS.

Or freaking Daredevil, man. All of Murdock's Parkour stuff was totally what Batman should do. That rooftop chase in episode 12 where he's following the car...

 

[craigdbfan]

No, I'm pretty sure that's two separate lines from Tyson edited together (or something taken out for brevity). "Alien" comes in harshly and doesn't fit what came before, but It's all Tyson.

The Panel is from a Batman arc by the creators of 100 Bullets. I think it might have been called Broken City.

It's not Tyson. Tyson is still in the middle of his monologue and then the "alien" line interjects. That happens throughout the trailer.

 

[Boy Scout]

I just don't want them to look over stylized. I want it to still feel like it's in a real world.

Agreed. A little bit of artistic/stylistic flair is okay, though.

Exactly. Not sure people have such an issue with product placement. Our daily lives are filled with product placement if we're being honest.

I was never bothered by it.

 

[matt47]

Agreed. A little bit of artistic/stylistic flair is okay, though.

Of course but I just don't want it to feel like Watchmen where everything feels like a soundstage and the colors are just unnatural.
I don't think that's the case considering how much practical stuff we have seen from set photos/vids.

 

[lujho]

It's not Tyson. Tyson is still in the middle of his monologue and then the "alien" line interjects. That happens throughout the trailer.

You're right, "alien" is said directly over "being" (to the point that in many watches of the trailer, I never registered the word "being"), but it still sounds like Tyson to me.

 

[hafizbat]

If it is, they need to get Tyson to take over for Conroy in the next Batman DTV

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Greens]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2429156-deandre-jordan-rolls-out-new-batmobile

Steel knuckles, and the belt's got a subtle yellow tint, but it's mostly black/grey.

 

[lujho]

ANYWAY, regarding the new posters... Batman's cowl's silhouette from front-on is perfect. The Begins cowl never got the silhouette right, (seen here, the real silhouette of the Begins cowl vs some Begins era concept/promo art):

Affleck's silhouette looks straight out of BTAS, with slightly shorter ears.

 

[lujho]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiii

 

[Kane52630]

http://ooayla.bleacherreport.net/po....4.0&fp=WIN 17,0,0,169&r=OIYYX&g=LVFQXDGDAUXB

closer look at the batsuit

 

[souperman]

...gotta say. great looking cbm costumes!

kudos Mike Wilkinson.

... looks like a cloth over armor structure.

 

[Kane52630]