BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - Part 29

[antoineflemming]

Actually, the guy who sculpted the Affleck cowl sculpted cowls on the Burton/Schumacher films as well.

And I thought I heard Wilkinson didn't actually do the Batsuit.

You're wrong. He did do the Batsuit. He even did an interview where he talked about it.

 

[titansupes]

He's been taking a LOT of credit for it if he didn't do it.

 

[BatScot]

Underrated post. Its one thing to be excited over the Batfleck suit, its another to start making judgements and assumptions about people who don't fawn over things the way you do.

Where was this sentiment back in the old black rubber days, cuz the rubber crowd making judgements and assumptions about people who didn't fawn over things they way they did was the norm.

 

[Marvin]

Eh.

The idea that the traditional suit is the best assumes that Batman's comic costume is inherently the best design and/or the design people MUST prefer somehow. Or that you cannot be a fan of the traditional visual of Batman and like the movie suits.

That's silly.

This cuts to the root of our source accuracy first sub culture. Which somehow maintains that what has come before(as far as source) is the better in the grand scheme. And not just with batman but with all of these cbm adaptations.
There is something to be said about our ability to judge what's before us in and of itself and not simply if it meets the check list of what came before.

I for one agree about what only matters is what happens on screen and choreo when it comes to the neck issue. However what has been presented on screen during the time of 89 up and until 2008 was a character that would often turn his body from the waist.
From the 'how much do you weigh scene' to the 'thumbs up to gordon from the batwin' to even the "you'll never have to thank me scene". I for one will be glad if I never see that bit of unavoidable handicap on screen with his character again. I mean if even the turtle could pull of this motion...
But then again, it just really stood out for me.

 

[regwec]

That's fine, but more often than not it is the quality- however imperfectly assessed- of the "source material" that causes devotion to it in the first place. I doubt anyone would get upset if someone made a Bloodwulf movie that stunk.

 

[lujho]

You're wrong. He did do the Batsuit. He even did an interview where he talked about it.

Ah fair enough. But I'm pretty sure the first part of what I said was true - Jose Fernandez, who worked on previous batsuits, sculpted the cowl for this one too.

 

[The Shape]

I think it looks perfect.

I think you're right. There's not one thing I would change about it. Not one.

 

[The Shape]

Eh.

The idea that the traditional suit is the best assumes that Batman's comic costume is inherently the best design and/or the design people MUST prefer somehow. Or that you cannot be a fan of the traditional visual of Batman and like the movie suits.

That's silly.

You can be a fan of more than one thing.

You speak the truth.

One of the things I love about Batman is that there are a multitude of ways the character can be depicted, both aesthetically and narratively, while still being completely true to the character. Batman lends himself so easily to re-interpretation to the point that it fascinates me.

Now, I think this design looks great, love the adaption of the suit and celebrate how well they've translated the comic book visuals, but I will probably still always prefer Batman's all black look, simply because I think it looks amazing and makes more sense for a creature of the night.

I also commend you for admitting that it is your personal preference that makes you feel that way, and that you aren't rejecting other versions or claiming that one visual interpretation is any more or less valid than the next.

 

[The Batman]

Where was this sentiment back in the old black rubber days, cuz the rubber crowd making judgements and assumptions about people who didn't fawn over things they way they did was the norm.

So the solution is for people to be just as annoying as that crowd was back then?

Good to know.

 

[lujho]

It's absolutely true that the original source isn't automatically better. For example, Marvel Studios has had much success with their costumes emulating what was in current modern comics, but not the "classic" versions.

Iron Man was inspired by the Adi Granov version, not the 60s version. There's no way you could do the exact 60s version in live action and make it look good or believable.

Same with Thor. To take the original Jack Kirby look and transfer it to live action directly just wouldn't work, without significant alteration or embellishment.

Not that those aren't great classic designs. They'd just look silly with exact translations.

Blade's movie look was necessary because his comic look would have been laughable.

Spider-Man, on the other hand, is a great classic design that DOES translate well pretty much directly from page to costume.

And so to is Batman's classic black and grey look. It's simple, striking and elegant and the new suit proves it "works" in live action. And that's why the people who always wanted them to go for that look wanted it - because the believed it would work, and were sick of the Batman movie makers not bothering to try.

So yeah, blindly wanting it to be faithful to the source purely for faithfulness' sake isn't automatically a good idea, but with some characters, their classic design certainly allows it to be successfully done.

 

[The Batman]

I wouldnt even say Batfleck's outfit represents the classic design.

 

[Manofplastic]

Is this from the porn version?

What am I saying, of course it is.

so it's about who gets to shack the wonder?

 

[MrsKent26]

Here's a manip I adjusted from ifriedrice original...I know I can't let go of the white eyes...

It's perfect. I can't wait to see this suit in its proper batish context, like this:

It really reminds me of this look and I've wanted to see it on screen for years.

 

[lujho]

I wouldnt even say Batfleck's outfit represents the classic design.

I'd say "close enough". And obviously closer than any from 1989 onwards.

 

[lujho]

 

[The Shape]

I feel that Affleck's suit is an amalgamation of several Batman designs, past and present. It resembles Batman's classic look in that it's black and grey, but I also see the biggest influences being Jim Lee's Hush Batman, New 52 Batman (guantlets, lines on the suit), and Miller's TDKR Batman (wrinkling of the suit, big Batsymbol). His physique resembles Jim Lee's Hush Batman the most, to me.

 

[The Shape]

It's just so incredible.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

I feel that Affleck's suit is an amalgamation of several Batman designs, past and present. It resembles Batman's classic look in that it's black and grey, but I also see the biggest influences being Jim Lee's Hush Batman, New 52 Batman (guantlets, lines on the suit), and Miller's TDKR Batman (wrinkling of the suit, big Batsymbol). His physique resembles Jim Lee's Hush Batman the most, to me.

And like Wolf stated in the Suicide Squad thread, Affleck's Batman also closely resembles Lee's and Miller's All Star B&R look.

Perfect.

 

[lujho]

I feel that Affleck's suit is an amalgamation of several Batman designs, past and present. It resembles Batman's classic look in that it's black and grey, but I also see the biggest influences being Jim Lee's Hush Batman, New 52 Batman (guantlets, lines on the suit), and Miller's TDKR Batman (wrinkling of the suit, big Batsymbol). His physique resembles Jim Lee's Hush Batman the most, to me.

I consider Jim Lee's Hush batman and Frank Miller's TDKR Batman to BE the classic look. They're very, very minor variations on the same look. They're not different enough to be different designs. They're the same costume, drawn by different people. And aside from the absence of trunks, the Batfleck suit is an almost direct translation. Added seams and textures are just minor embellishments, like the raised webs and printed pattern on Spider-Man.

 

[william]

 

[The Shape]

I consider Jim Lee's Hush batman and Frank Miller's TDKR Batman to BE the classic look. They're very, very minor variations on the same look. They're not different enough to be different designs. They're the same costume, drawn by different people. And aside from the absence of trunks, the Batfleck suit is an almost direct translation. Added seams and textures are just minor embellishments.

Yup.

 

[jasontodd]

I feel that Affleck's suit is an amalgamation of several Batman designs, past and present. It resembles Batman's classic look in that it's black and grey, but I also see the biggest influences being Jim Lee's Hush Batman, New 52 Batman (guantlets, lines on the suit), and Miller's TDKR Batman (wrinkling of the suit, big Batsymbol). His physique resembles Jim Lee's Hush Batman the most, to me.

That is my assessment as well. It really is a greatest hits in terms of Batman suit designs. Honors the visual fidelity of the character's history. Just a fantastically realized live action transition from page to screen.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

The Jim Lee and Frank Miller influence is obvious, but I see a great deal of the art of Greg Capullo and Jason Fabok in Affleck's Batman.

I see Capullo's influence in the anatomy, the neck and cowl, the massive bat symbol, the texture of the suit, and a certain undefinable heroic quality:

I see the intimidating, almost inhuman quality of Fabok's art:

 

[Casval]

With those red eyes he almost looks like a demon.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I honestly can't wait until I buy some Batflek merchandise....