BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 32

[jokesonm3]

I think the more live-action-y a depiction of Batman the more the tendency to go with visible eyes.

In the Arkham video game series they've gone with the visible eye look for the most part

White eyes look great in comic art but would probably at most look okay in live action.

Such a beast that man is.

 

[Boy Scout]

Is it that big of a deal breaker? Eh.

Nope. Just saying.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Such a beast that man is.

Yup.

Also look at the top gif, that slight shift in eye gaze would have been lost with all white lenses.

 

[Bathead]

Yup.

Also look at the top gif, that slight shift in eye gaze would have been lost with all white lenses.

Inconsequential.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Inconsequential.

*For you.

Edit : Oops!

 

[Bruce Malone]

Inconsequential.

Totally disagree.

You've never heard of intensity in someone's eyes?

The only way the white eyes could somewhat work is if they go for the Deadpool movie effect and CGI them in and even then it'd still look somewhat cartoony, which works for Deadpool however.

 

[Travesty]

It's "for you".

Get it straight!

 

[BatScot]

The only way the white eyes could somewhat work is if they go for the Deadpool movie effect and CGI them in and even then it'd still look somewhat cartoony, which works for Deadpool however.

Whether you like the idea of lenses or not, this whole "lenses could not be done in a way that did not look cartoony" is as dead as the argument that said there would never be a gray batsuit because that would look cartoony.

 

[godisawesome]

Id still love to see some version of the Snyder/Capullo contact lenses that do the glowing and night vision.

 

[hafizbat]

What you lose in "intensity" and expression with the white lenses you gain in the look of detachment and ghostliness.

The inner rage played very well with Bale in TDKT, but I now want to see that cold, methodical Batman who seems completely unflappable. I think the white lenses would facilitate that. I think Bats often works better as a completely detached, systematic man. If he let Gotham get inside his head, he'd drown, so he keeps it all out. Which makes it ever the more effective when someone like the Joker actually does get in his head, or when a woman like Talia or Selina or Andrea Beaumont can break through his armor and reach his heart.

Alas, it looks like we're getting another angsty Batman with Batfleck. Keaton was easily the closest to the Batman I think would work well with white lenses.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

What you lose in "intensity" and expression with the white lenses you gain in the look of detachment and ghostliness.

The inner rage played very well with Bale in TDKT, but I now want to see that cold, methodical Batman who seems completely unflappable. I think the white lenses would facilitate that. I think Bats often works better as a completely detached, systematic man. If he let Gotham get inside his head, he'd drown, so he keeps it all out. Which makes it ever the more effective when someone like the Joker actually does get in his head, or when a woman like Talia or Selina or Andrea Beaumont can break through his armor and reach his heart.

Alas, it looks like we're getting another angsty Batman with Batfleck. Keaton was easily the closest to the Batman I think would work well with white lenses.

THIS. Though it'd be cool if Batman would have the white eyes when he's in silhouette. The audience wouldn't be LOSING the detail of Batfleck's eyes (since you wouldn't be able to see them anyway) and would gain a cool visual.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Whether you like the idea of lenses or not, this whole "lenses could not be done in a way that did not look cartoony" is as dead as the argument that said there would never be a gray batsuit because that would look cartoony.

I don't get your analogy? unless it's been confirmed there are going to be white lenses in BvS I don't see how any debate on them is dead? We've seen the grey suit now, the closest to live action lenses came in The Dark Knight.

 

[KillerWolf]

What you lose in "intensity" and expression with the white lenses you gain in the look of detachment and ghostliness.

The inner rage played very well with Bale in TDKT, but I now want to see that cold, methodical Batman who seems completely unflappable. I think the white lenses would facilitate that. I think Bats often works better as a completely detached, systematic man. If he let Gotham get inside his head, he'd drown, so he keeps it all out. Which makes it ever the more effective when someone like the Joker actually does get in his head, or when a woman like Talia or Selina or Andrea Beaumont can break through his armor and reach his heart.

Alas, it looks like we're getting another angsty Batman with Batfleck. Keaton was easily the closest to the Batman I think would work well with white lenses.

Completely agree.

With entire post, but especially the first part.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

What you lose in "intensity" and expression with the white lenses you gain in the look of detachment and ghostliness.

That's my point, though: isn't intensity and expression more important from an audience perspective? I mean, I get why Batman as a character would want to appear detached and ghostly, but if it results in the audience feeling detached from the character, is it really worth it? Ultimately, it's a superficiality and I'd much rather have the intensity of the eyes.

 

[superboy13]

I don't get your analogy? unless it's been confirmed there are going to be white lenses in BvS I don't see how any debate on them is dead? We've seen the grey suit now, the closest to live action lenses came in The Dark Knight.

Dear Zod, not those crappy bug eyes. He looked like Masked Rider.

 

[KillerWolf]

That's my point, though: isn't intensity and expression more important from an audience perspective? I mean, I get why Batman as a character would want to appear detached and ghostly, but if it results in the audience feeling detached from the character, is it really worth it? Ultimately, it's a superficiality and I'd much rather have the intensity of the eyes.

I'd say that with some characters, it works to have it to be the case from the audience perspective as well. Judge Dredd comes to mind. Again, Batman doesn't show whole spectrum of emotions (Bruce might, depending on the version) and you'd still know when he's angry, white eyes or not.

Matter of fact, if we're to talk about the elements of the cowl that limit the performance, one could argue that frown on the cowl that makes him look permanently angry is also detaching as it's limiting the emotions he can show with his eyes. Aside from the direction he is looking at, eyes are not really able to show all that much by themselves, especially when he seems angry even in moments when he's not supposed to be. So, I don't really think much would be lost if he was given the white eyes.

Dear Zod, not those crappy bug eyes. He looked like Masked Rider.

You know that something is downright terrible when "Batman & Robin" actually did it better.

 

[Marvolo]

If we are wanting to up the intimidation factor and don't mind losing the intensity of the actor's eyes I'd rather they have Bruce wear solid black contacts while in the suit. I've never found white eyes remotely intimidating or scary. Not on Batman.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Clearly, "lensers" and "non-lensers" are never gonna see eye-to-eye on this. All I'll say is this: Snyder and Wilkinson considered it (maybe even tried it out) and decided it didn't work. Coming from the two guys who gave you the most beautiful and comic accurate batsuit to date, I wonder what there reasoning was...

 

[KillerWolf]

Yeah, we're not gonna agree anytime soon.

But, I'm not sure Snyder and Wilkinson considered it. We only know they considered white contacts look.

 

[KnowhereMan]

Yeah, we're not gonna agree anytime soon.

But, I'm not sure Snyder and Wilkinson considered it. We only know they considered white contacts look.

I'm confused. You're not sure Snyder and Wilkinson considered what?

 

[KillerWolf]

I'm confused. You're not sure Snyder and Wilkinson considered what?

White lenses on regular cowl.

 

[KnowhereMan]

White lenses on regular cowl.

Ah. Lenses on the cowl as opposed to in his eyes. Got it.

 

[lujho]

I still think transparent lenses with a light silvering would do it - you'd be able to see the real eyes in close-up for acting scenes, but could have them be glowing points in wide shots or any other time you like by bouncing a light off them.

Best of both worlds.

 

[matt47]

I still believe that something similar to the Arkham games is the key.

 

[Bathead]

Totally disagree.

You've never heard of intensity in someone's eyes?

The only way the white eyes could somewhat work is if they go for the Deadpool movie effect and CGI them in and even then it'd still look somewhat cartoony, which works for Deadpool however.

There's no such thing. The only things in that area that express emotion are the eyebrows and some of the muscles surrounding the eyes. The only thing the pupils in the eyeballs show is what direction someone is looking. This notion of "the eyes being the window to the soul" and what some seem to take from that (that you need to see the pupils to see emotion) is utter nonsense.