BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 32

[Astro13Zombie]

The cowl looks great but kind of cheap. Like some Halloween mask. The rubber cowls looked better in the old movies.

Holy ****ing ****

 

[KillerWolf]

Yeah, I'm not even going to bother.

 

[morningmimosa]

The cowl looks great but kind of cheap. Like some Halloween mask. The rubber cowls looked better in the old movies.

You're the opposite of Batman.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Right, I'll just post this quote here and I won't say who's is it. Read the bold part.

Batman can turn his head. And a lot of us were nervous about this, because the costume seems so stiff.
And I still have a little bit of problem with the costume, but what's interesting to me is when he turned his head I was like - Oh, well maybe that jacket he's wearing, cuz' why is Batman wearing a jacket, is to cover up whatever it needs for him to be able to turn his head, right ? How are they going to hide that ? But maybe this is something like a really good plastic that they've molded the cowl out of and it has a lot of movability. I'm very curious to see how they were able to pull that off, because it doesn't look like it could move. Also there seems to be a scarf on there, maybe that's hiding some of the mechanisms that are allowing him the movability.

I don't know what to say folks, I mean.. what the actual **** ?

 

[KillerWolf]

Right, I'll just post this quote here and I won't say who's is it. Read the bold part.

I don't know what to say folks, I mean.. what the actual **** ?

Oh, yes, he has some kind of steampunk, mechanical braces that at the same time hold his pants and make his neck movable.

Jesus.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

I don't know how he'll hide all that machinery when he takes the jacket and scarf off for the rest of the movie.

 

[KillerWolf]

I don't know how he'll hide all that machinery when he takes the jacket and scarf off for the rest of the movie.

It'll have to be removed by CGI. That's why the film was so expensive to make.

 

[Galactus123]

My favorite Batsuit

The cowl's rubber looks too soft in this(BvS). Of course so he can movie his head but it makes it look cheaper.

 

[Defacto]

The cowl looks great but kind of cheap. Like some Halloween mask.

I agree with this. The mask does look like cheap rubber. Of course it probably is rubber in real life, but in the movie it's suppose to be some leather/tactical gear mesh? Something other then rubber anyway. As it is worn by a billionaire vigilante with the high tech gadgets. Some of which are planted in the cowl. But it looks like your regular rubbery halloween mask. Ehh.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

It'll have to be removed by CGI. That's why the film was so expensive to make.

Probably why it was delayed too. $500 Mill. budget for some neck movement.

 

[KillerWolf]

I agree with this. The mask does look like cheap rubber. Of course it probably is rubber in real life, but in the movie it's suppose to be some leather/tactical gear mesh? Something other then rubber anyway. As it is worn by a billionaire vigilante with the high tech gadgets. Some of which are planted in the cowl. But it looks like your regular rubbery halloween mask. Ehh.

It is always shown as a rather soft mask in comics and animated series, exactly like it appears in BvS. And it can as well be a rubber or some fake leather material. It is a mask, not a helmet.

 

[KillerWolf]

Probably why it was delayed too. $500 Mill. budget for some neck movement.

Indeed. But as long as they manage to hide all that mechanism, it's worth it.

 

[Enriquespy]

Of course it probably is rubber in real life, but in the movie it's suppose to be some leather/tactical gear mesh?

How did you wanted it to look like? Like a helmet?
I prefer it as a mask.

 

[Defacto]

How did you wanted it to look like? Like a helmet?
I prefer it as a mask.

I'm feeling the helmet of The Dark Knight. It seemed more appropriate protection in Batman's line of work. But eh, what can you do.

 

[SuperKnight97]

I was never really a fan of the armored rubber-looking Batman suits of the past, so the new suit in DOJ really hits home with me (and it's comic accurate, too!).

 

[KillerMcQueen]

My favorite Batsuit

The cowl's rubber looks too soft in this(BvS). Of course so he can movie his head but it makes it look cheaper.

Honestly, I'd say him not being able to turn his head is what's cheap looking.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

::Enters thread and reads cheap-looking cowl comments::

 

[morningmimosa]

I can't say I love the soft cowl, and agree with those that say it looks a little Halloween-ish but it's a welcome departure from BatHelmet. Agreed with those who point to comics and TAS as examples of how the mask is frequently portrayed this way - I like that it's more about his persona, and not personal protection. If this is a Batman who really favors agility over bullet proof-ness, I'm thrilled.

Agreed 100% though that the eye makeup is *hilarious.* To the folks who trash talk the white lenses not looking good on film, first off, Deadpool is about to pull it off in spades, and secondly, are you really going to try to tell me that it "looks good" to have batman blatantly wearing eye shadow one moment, and then it magically disappearing when the mask is ripped off? It's pure silliness.

That said, while I have the imagination to see how this scene could have been just as (or more) effective with lenses and an articulated brow, until that rip-off-the-mask moment, I actually had to finally agree that seeing Affleck's eyes was absolutely key to the scene. If they did the full monte, and had him with eye makeup on even with the mask off, that would have convinced me that the no-lenses look is superior. It would reinforce how defenseless and vulnerable Superman can make him, and show that this is a guy who really does play dress-up.

This scene would have been plain weird with built in lenses.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

::Enters thread and reads cheap-looking cowl comments::

I'm more offended by the "foolish eye makeup" comments.

 

[BattleAngel]

This scene would have been plain weird with built in lenses.

Batman is plain weird. (and this scene is still plenty weird, imho)

I personally just love Capullo's renderings of Batman's facial expressions. If there were an illustrated version of this scene using his approach to how the mask articulates along w/ Batman's facial muscles, it would be a pretty good example of how it would be at least just as effective.

But the big takeaway is that as a die hard lenses guy, I still enjoyed the scene and Batman's eyes had a lot to do with it.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I'm more offended by the "foolish eye makeup" comments.

I haven't read much of those yet. Thanks for the warning, MrsW.

 

[Galactus123]

It is always shown as a rather soft mask in comics and animated series, exactly like it appears in BvS. And it can as well be a rubber or some fake leather material. It is a mask, not a helmet.

In the animated series and comics it was more fabric/leather like

 

[BattleAngel]

I think there's only one comment that called them foolish. I just think it's straight-up bad continuity to have his eyes obviously covered in makeup, and then when the mask is ripped off, his eyes are magically free of makeup. This is a "have your cake and eat it too" moment - if the popular wisdom is that lenses don't make sense on screen, how can you really argue that it makes sense to have magically disappearing makeup? If they committed, and acknowledge that Bruce Wayne puts on eye shadow underneath his mask, I'd be 100% down for that. But by pretending that he doesn't, they are telegraphing the message "Bruce Wayne wouldn't put on makeup because he's a man" and that is not a cool message to put out. If Bruce Wayne is going out there as Batman with black makeup around his eyes, that's a tactical choice and should be acknowledged.

 

[KillerWolf]

In the animated series and comics it was more fabric/leather like

So even softer, as opposed to more substantial material Defacto was proposing. BvS cowl is still closest to one from B:TAS and comics out of all previous cowls.

 

[morningmimosa]

I think there's only one comment that called them foolish. I just think it's straight-up bad continuity to have his eyes obviously covered in makeup, and then when the mask is ripped off, his eyes are magically free of makeup. This is a "have your cake and eat it too" moment - if the popular wisdom is that lenses don't make sense on screen, how can you really argue that it makes sense to have magically disappearing makeup? If they committed, and acknowledge that Bruce Wayne puts on eye shadow underneath his mask, I'd be 100% down for that. But by pretending that he doesn't, they are telegraphing the message "Bruce Wayne wouldn't put on makeup because he's a man" and that is not a cool message to put out. If Bruce Wayne is going out there as Batman with black makeup around his eyes, that's a tactical choice and should be acknowledged.

Dude ... just chill. Why are you always getting so heated up in those lenses discussions?