BvS The Batsuit Thread - Part 8

[hafizbat]

Snyder is already a polarizing director whom people love to bash, if he used CGI for Batman's face the haters would have a freakin field day. They are already having a field day do they really need more ammo?

I don't think Snyder should really take into account the danger of giving fanboys ammo when making these decisions. People will always find things to complain about, but if Snyder thinks white lenses, trunks, or whatever else is whats best for the movie, then that's what he should do. A good director isn't a slave to fanboys.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I'd love to see this on screen. Some people may hate it but I think it looks awesome

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think Snyder should really take into account the danger of giving fanboys ammo when making these decisions. People will always find things to complain about, but if Snyder thinks white lenses, trunks, or whatever else is whats best for the movie, then that's what he should do. A good director isn't a slave to fanboys.

I didn't mean that Snyder was worried about or should listen to fanboys, I'm sure he's busy directing big budget films. But I don't want to hear from the haters anymore than I have to, especially when I think that the suggested idea is stupid and a waste of time and money and kinda insulting to the actor playing Batman.

And trunks fans need to get over the fact that the Batsuit isn't going to have trunks. Superman is more known for his trunks and he doesn't have them and you think Batman will? Good luck with that.

 

[hafizbat]

I don't personally want to see trunks. I was saying Snyder should do whatever HE thinks works.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

what do you folks think of the hard shell cowl? I personally would like to see something different now

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't personally want to see trunks. I was saying Snyder should do whatever HE thinks works.

I'm sure he will.

 

[BatFan1979]

what do you folks think of the hard shell cowl? I personally would like to see something different now

Hard shell cowl...do you mean the hard design we've gotten up to this point? Yeah, I want something else too.

I've mentioned this in previous posts, but I'd love to see the more comic-traditional, flexible fabric-type cowl. Maybe semi-hardened over the nose and cheek area, but flexible everywhere else to allow for head movement and also so Bruce can pull back the cowl. (posters have used the Nite Owl cowl as a live action example)

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Hard shell cowl...do you mean the hard design we've gotten up to this point? Yeah, I want something else too.

I've mentioned this in previous posts, but I'd love to see the more comic-traditional, flexible fabric-type cowl. Maybe semi-hardened over the nose and cheek area, but flexible everywhere else to allow for head movement and also so Bruce can pull back the cowl.

That's exactly what I'm talking about and that's EXACTLY what I'd like to see as well. I'd like for him to be able to take off the cowl/mask and hang it down his back

 

[BatFan1979]

That's exactly what I'm talking about and that's EXACTLY what I'd like to see as well. I'd like for him to be able to take off the cowl/mask and hang it down his back

Quick example...

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Quick example...

BINGO...you hit the nail right on the head

 

[Afrobean]

You guys act as if batman has never appeared with a full face mask before

Yeah, it's happened plenty of times. Not so much for Bruce (although even that's happened), but it's especially memorable for Azrael and Terry McGinnis.

It's not the iconic look for Batman, so I totally understand not wanting to go with it, but it ABSOLUTELY makes more sense for Batman's mouth to be covered. The ONLY "reason" I've ever heard for him NOT covering his mouth is that he likes to show his humanity there to "mock" the Joker. Was that from The Killing Joke? Either way, I really don't buy it. I know some might not like this line of thinking, but if Batman were real, he almost definitely would not expose his mouth. What advantage does he gain by exposing his mouth? How would showing that part of his face help him fight crime?

How about they just let Affleck try to act under the mask like they let every other Batman actor? No CGI eyes or expressions. There is going to be plenty of CGI in the film we don't need it for Batman's eyes.

Superman's cape was frequently CG and it worked just fine. CG can absolutely be used as a subtle effect to improve on physical props. Some might say that Green Lantern made a mistake by using CG on the whole costume, but I don't hear anyone saying the CG on Voldemort's nose was a mistake. Then again, I also don't hear folks complaining about the CG in Doctor Manhattan, so even a full-body CG "costume" can work in the right context.

 

[Masut]

Batman will never appear with a full face mask on film (except perhaps in a once-off suit within the context of a movie). Why? Because of recognition. The audience won't recognise a full face masked Batman because it isn't the look that's been drilled into their heads over the last few decades.

And if people don't recognise him as Batman, then how will they

Spoiler

sell toys.

 

[regwec]

Forgive me, but what is the point of him covering his mouth? Because breathing is for wimps?

This better not be an extension of the rationale that requires him to be encased in an indestructible robo-suit.

 

[rc1980]

Batman will never appear with a full face mask on film (except perhaps in a once-off suit within the context of a movie). Why? Because of recognition. The audience won't recognise a full face masked Batman because it isn't the look that's been drilled into their heads over the last few decades.

And if people don't recognise him as Batman, then how will they

Spoiler

sell toys.

Well i think your half right. also consider its because of the actor.
Look at V for Vendetta- First actor dropped out because he didnt want to "act" from behind a full mask the whole time.
Spider-man is different because thats the accepted look.
Batman isnt and they most likely wouldnt go down that road for both of these reasons.

 

[craigdbfan]

Batman's cowl losing its mouth opening would be a major visual deal for me. I'm absolutely against the idea.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Well i think your half right. also consider its because of the actor.
Look at V for Vendetta- First actor dropped out because he didnt want to "act" from behind a full mask the whole time.
Spider-man is different because thats the accepted look.
Batman isnt and they most likely wouldnt go down that road for both of these reasons.

Funny, my recollection of stories circulating at the time was that Purefoy was replaced not because he didnt want to act behind a mask all of the movie but because he couldnt, in that the director and producers felt that he simply wasnt producing the goods from beneath the mask. They then got in Weaving who then hit it out of the park, performance-wise.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I didn't mean that Snyder was worried about or should listen to fanboys, I'm sure he's busy directing big budget films. But I don't want to hear from the haters anymore than I have to, especially when I think that the suggested idea is stupid and a waste of time and money and kinda insulting to the actor playing Batman.

How so?

And trunks fans need to get over the fact that the Batsuit isn't going to have trunks. Superman is more known for his trunks and he doesn't have them and you think Batman will? Good luck with that.

And you need to get over the fact that people have opinions that aren't the same as yours.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You can have whatever opinions you want the trunks aren't happening.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

You can have whatever opinions you want the trunks aren't happening.

I would have to 100% fully agree with this, and put money on it if anyone cares to do a friendly bet t:

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I would have to 100% fully agree with this, and put money on it if anyone cares to do a friendly bet t:

I am rarely 100% confident in anything but I am 110% confident that Batman is going to remain trunkless on film. This has nothing to do with my opinion of trunks in live action and everything to do with the history of Batman on film and the design of modern superhero suits on film.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Forgive me, but what is the point of him covering his mouth? Because breathing is for wimps?

This better not be an extension of the rationale that requires him to be encased in an indestructible robo-suit.

Well, covering the mouth would make sense for the "realistic" argument. Leaving your jaw exposed is fairly foolish when protective headgear exists.

But then, I always think trying to argue the "realistic" angle for Batman is silly, because in real life Batman also wouldn't want to use a cape, and he'd probably get killed within his first few nights out.

Long story short, I don't see much of a reason to cover his mouth.

I am rarely 100% confident in anything but I am 110% confident that Batman is going to remain trunkless on film. This has nothing to do with my opinion of trunks in live action and everything to do with the history of Batman on film and the design of modern superhero suits on film.

Just FYI SPIDEY, the surest way to keep the trunks convo going is to keep talking about the trunks.

 

[TheBat812]

IMO, as an intelligent character whose trying to both protect himself and appear inhuman, it makes little sense for him not to cover his mouth. Not to mention then he doesn't have to break out a respiratory kit from his pouch in case of gas, smoke, water, etc. Also could feature a built in Voice modulation. It also protects his identity better and makes him appear less human.

I accept it and it doesn't bother me that his mouth is exposed, but if I stop and try to think of the mindset of the character, IMO Bruce would choose to cover it. At the very least it's an understandable and not unreasonable line of thought and suggestion. That also didn't mean I think the batman in this film needs a full face mask, but rather that I just like the concept of it and the look of the particular design that was posted on the last page.

 

[BattleAngel]

Tactically, yeah, the full face mask is probably the way to go. But I think at one point in this thread, someone noted that the Joker asked him why he leaves the tiny window of his perfectly chiseled chin, and Batman responds "to mock you." I kind of get that, from the perspective that his good looks are an affront to criminals. It's a pretty bastardly type of a thing to do, but Batman is kind of a bastard =P But along the same lines, if Batman was rescuing a kid, a little bit of humanity goes a long way towards appearing safe and human. A few pages back, I posted an R Grampa version of the cowl that is all-but-closed off, and it's super boss. The tiny window of humanity.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

IMO, as an intelligent character whose trying to both protect himself and appear inhuman, it makes little sense for him not to cover his mouth. Not to mention then he doesn't have to break out a respiratory kit from his pouch in case of gas, smoke, water, etc. Also could feature a built in Voice modulation. It also protects his identity better and makes him appear less human.

I accept it and it doesn't bother me that his mouth is exposed, but if I stop and try to think of the mindset of the character, IMO Bruce would choose to cover it. At the very least it's an understandable and not unreasonable line of thought and suggestion. That also didn't mean I think the batman in this film needs a full face mask, but rather that I just like the concept of it and the look of the particular design that was posted on the last page.

I like the idea of a respiratory mask expanding over his mouth area from the cowl. No need to take one out and put it on.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I like the idea of a respiratory mask expanding over his mouth area from the cowl. No need to take one out and put it on.

Same here.
I dislike the idea of it being permanently over his mouth,but I like the idea of a mask that comes out of the cowl rather than his utility belt.

It was done in "Gotham knight" and I thought it was pretty cool.
You can see it at about 2:39 in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVYsNRjXKCg