BvS The Batsuit Thread - Part 9

[roach]

 

[Afrobean]

I actually think we should get this. At least the way it was done in the Arkham games.

We should be able to get that in a 'realistic' Batman at least imo.

The Arkham games use it for scaling buildings and launching over to glide, not really like "webswinging". Batman Begins used the grapnel for scaling buildings, and I could totally see it being used in conjunction with a glider cape. I just don't want Superman flying off and us seeing Batman use his grapnel to swing away to follow him. Batman should only get one swing off, and then what's he going to do at the apex of that swing? The cartoons used to do this and it bugged the crap out of me. It's a nice visual to see him swing away like that, but it makes no sense.

^ Not really. The TDK trilogy prides itself on the concept of plausibility and realism. Something like, say TA, doesn't have to live up to that idea of believability.

This isn't accurate.

Nolan's films are steeped in scifi. And awful scifi at that. A microwave emitter that vaporizes all liquid water but doesn't affect the nearby humans at all? A cellular phone that can make a detailed 3D map of the environment? Remotely hacking this unrealistic phone software onto every phone in the city? Reconstructing a fingerprint on a shattered bullet embedded in concrete? A bridge-building tank-car for the military that has a modular motorcycle built in? Impossible flying-tank-car rotorcraft that Bruce somehow is able to pilot masterfully instantly?

The difference is that while the Batman comics and cartoons have scifi and supernatural elements, Nolan stripped all of it out except scifi technology in particular. So he'll allow cold fusion and glider capes and an ancient clan of ninja assassins, but he wouldn't allow Clayface or Man-bat the immortal Ra's al Ghul. They're equally unrealistic, just as Star Wars is as unrealistic as Lord of the Rings, but they're different flavors of non-realism.

 

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[roach]

 

[Bat]

All I'm saying is if we get a version similar to Night Owl, be it Noel or Jim Lee inspired, I will be ecstatic! Not to mention that this suit has briefs, but they look awesome and that's exactly how they should be done on the Batsuit. If you complain about that then you're just a complainer about everything and will never be satisfied. Here's hoping!

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[Goshdarn Batman]

Where do you draw the line though? Isn't it just easier to let lose yourself in the magic and enjoy it for what it is? You know... like when you were a kid?.

That's why I like Batman 89 better than the dark knight trilogy (even though I like it as well). I could see why a man would dress up like a bat in the "burtonverse", but it looked a bit silly in the Nolan movies.

Nolan: "Perma-white Joker? Unrealistic! It's war paint. Lazarus pit? Stupid! The batmobile wouldn't work in real life, let's make a tank instead. This is the real world, after all. A man who dresses up like a bat and fights evil? (long pause) ...it could happen!"

Psychatrist: "Please mr Nolan, we have been through this before! Now, take off that silly costume and get down from the roof before you hurt yourself!

 

[Alex_Spider]

Do you guys think that Batman might have a power suit? I know this movie is giving the fans a lot to digest. I am just wondering.

The 3 of them should wear a special suit in the end to win the bad guy ala the Shumacher movies

 

[Afrobean]

The 3 of them should wear a special suit in the end to win the bad guy ala the Shumacher movies

You make fun, but Batman has worn a special suit to fight Superman in the past. The Dark Knight Returns. There is precedent. If Batman and Superman actually throw down, you better believe Batman will be wearing a special armored suit for that fight.

 

[matt47]

I really don't want to see Batman in an special suit..unless it was made from kryptonite there is no point in wearing it because no matter what, the force of Superman's punches will f you up. I'd rather either see Batman research the crap out of Supes and his powers and vulnerability or just try and fight him in his normal gear and have Superman dodge his attacks and stand there with that "...really..?" look on his face.

 

[DeadPresident]

Personally I think Snyder is familiar enough with the DCverse's content to not go the simple route of Superman vs Batman straight up. If anything I think it could be something serendipitous that Batman takes advantage of if there is even a physical confrontation. Something like Lex weakening Superman hypothetically.

So I doubt it'll be kryptonite gauntlets or a power suit. I'd put money on it being something akin to catching Superman when he's influenced by kryptonian atmosphere the way it was implemented in MoS.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Snyder always did want to adapt The Dark Knight Returns. This is likely the closest he'll ever get.

I'm not saying he'll adapt the fight, but I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[SpideyFan866]

All I'm saying is if we get a version similar to Night Owl, be it Noel or Jim Lee inspired, I will be ecstatic! Not to mention that this suit has briefs, but they look awesome and that's exactly how they should be done on the Batsuit. If you complain about that then you're just a complainer about everything and will never be satisfied. Here's hoping!

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Fixed.

And I agree.

 

[TheBat812]

Nobody is being "demonized". You don't appear to be responding to the post you quoted, so I won't set out a defence of it.

actually ya you're pretty much always an ******* to anybody who likes the aesthetic of armor or who thinks the suit should be thought out. You literally just called their point of view that of children, when frankly you have it backwards as roach pointed out

And my post was completely relevant to yours as it's relevant to the idea of verisimilitude. What kind of view is it that verisimilitude is 'low brow', btw? Verisimilitude is defined as the appearance or semblance of truth or reality; quality of seeming true. Even a sci-fi or fantastical approach should seek to use verisimilitude to the extent that it makes the audience believe the world we're exploring.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

All I'm saying is if we get a version similar to Night Owl, be it Noel or Jim Lee inspired, I will be ecstatic! Not to mention that this suit has briefs, but they look awesome and that's exactly how they should be done on the Batsuit. If you complain about that then you're just a complainer about everything and will never be satisfied. Here's hoping!

Nite Owl in Watchmen was definitely a Batman prototype and if Snyder does something very similar to that with Batman, it's going to be amazing! t:

 

[Shikamaru]

Is it just me or do Nite-Owl's trunks look like a chastity belt in that photo?

 

[charl_huntress]

It's not just you.

 

[regwec]

actually ya you're pretty much always an ******* to anybody who likes the aesthetic of armor or who thinks the suit should be thought out. You literally just called their point of view that of children, when frankly you have it backwards as roach pointed out

And my post was completely relevant to yours as it's relevant to the idea of verisimilitude. What kind of view is it that verisimilitude is 'low brow', btw? Verisimilitude is defined as the appearance or semblance of truth or reality; quality of seeming true. Even a sci-fi or fantastical approach should seek to use verisimilitude to the extent that it makes the audience believe the world we're exploring.

I don't "have it backwards", and I haven't demonized anyone.

I don't think your post merits a lengthier response than that.

 

[Two-Face]

I love Jim Lee design, I don't think we see something like this in a Batfilm.

 

[Kane52630]

I wonder if the W on the bottom of his boots means Wayne or wide...

 

[roach]

I love Jim Lee design, I don't think we see something like this in a Batfilm.

Based on Kevin Smith's comments we will see something very close.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I love Jim Lee design, I don't think we see something like this in a Batfilm.

Kevin Smith pretty much said on his Smodcast that's it's going to have a very Jim Lee look to it.

 

[Two-Face]

Man that would be so awesome to see.

 

[TheBat812]

I don't "have it backwards", and I haven't demonized anyone.

I don't think your post merits a lengthier response than that.

I would still like to hear your thoughts on the merits of verisimilitude.

 

[Infinity9999x]

That's why I like Batman 89 better than the dark knight trilogy (even though I like it as well). I could see why a man would dress up like a bat in the "burtonverse", but it looked a bit silly in the Nolan movies.

Nolan: "Perma-white Joker? Unrealistic! It's war paint. Lazarus pit? Stupid! The batmobile wouldn't work in real life, let's make a tank instead. This is the real world, after all. A man who dresses up like a bat and fights evil? (long pause) ...it could happen!"

Psychatrist: "Please mr Nolan, we have been through this before! Now, take off that silly costume and get down from the roof before you hurt yourself!

While overall I agree with what you're saying, I disagree with these two aspects. First, I firmly believe that Nolan made the Joker use make-up because he liked the look, not because it was "unrealistic." This is due to a few things, first, there are concepts of a Joker that looks very much like he would have had bleached skin in the TDK art book, and secondly, if Nolan was really that concerned with being realistic, Two-Face would have been MUCH different. Nolan's Two-Face is completely unrealistic. First, he would be dead, a person couldn't survive a burn like that. Secondly, he wouldn't have been able to move his jaw or eye, since the muscles required to do so were burned away. And Two-Face is a character that Nolan easily could have given a "realistic" look, with more toned-down burn makeup. But he didn't. So I think it's clear he just liked the grunge look of a make-up joker.

And with the Bat-mobile, I think it's pretty clear Nolan was taking influence from The Dark Knight Returns. It wasn't like there was no precedent for a Bat-Tank before Nolan.

 

[JDonaldD]

The style of the Nolan films, TDK in particular were perfect for the time. What I wish fans would learn collectively is that there is not a perfect interpretation of the Batman but a perfect one for the time. I think a lot Batman fans have a vague idea of what a new Batman on film should look like but I think whether he had knee pads or trunks isn't the issue. I'm almost positive I will love the suit and I'm sure Affleck will look good in it. I'm just more worried about the movie itself and how they are going to make this work.