BvS The Batsuit Thread - Part 9

[Denny67]

Thank you, Grant Morrison.

He needs to sit Hollywood down and break it down for them as well.

 

[Lencho01]

I hope all members of the JL have knee pads. Big missed opportunity if they don't. Especially, Flash. Because falling at that speed... ouch.

 

[DChero]

I hope all members of the JL have knee pads. Big missed opportunity if they don't. Especially, Flash. Because falling at that speed... ouch.

It would really suck if he developed a case of hooker's knee. I agree with the knee pads. t:

 

[king666]

It's easy to blame Nolan for the mundane, compromised, "teh realistic" approach; but in a roundabout way, it is probably equally the fault of Joel Schumacher.

The need for verisimilitude is, I think, entirely low brow. It appeals to children who want to make believe, which is only natural. The art is in not offending against verisimilitude too much, while exploring all the mystery, weirdness and fun which is inherent in Batman. The way to do that is to tell a story that seems natural in its own right. By analogy, Star Wars never leads you to object to the physically impossible lightsaber.

What Schumacher did, however, was to dispense with verisimilitude so fully, and to depict a fictional world that crumbled so completely under its narrative complacency and lurid visuals, that Nolan's grey and muted reaction was probably inevitable. It briefly felt welcome. But now opinion has become polarised: you supposedly have to support a dull, reductive and rather immature "realistic" approach, because the alternate path leads straight back to Joel. The result is that you see purported Bat fans dosclaiming the appeal of everything cool about Batman.

And, somehow, when I see it claimed that Batman's costume must be adjusted to incorporate knee pads in case he falls on and hurts his knees, I know something has gone wrong.

 

[BattleAngel]

It's easy to blame Nolan for the mundane, compromised, "teh realistic" approach; but in a roundabout way, it is probably equally the fault of Joel Schumacher.

The need for verisimilitude is, I think, entirely low brow. It appeals to children who want to make believe, which is only natural. The art is in not offending against verisimilitude too much, while exploring all the mystery, weirdness and fun which is inherent in Batman. The way to do that is to tell a story that seems natural in its own right. By analogy, Star Wars never leads you to object to the physically impossible lightsaber.

What Schumacher did, however, was to dispense with verisimilitude so fully, and to depict a fictional world that crumbled so completely under its narrative complacency and lurid visuals, that Nolan's grey and muted reaction was probably inevitable. It briefly felt welcome. But now opinion has become polarised: you supposedly have to support a dull, reductive and rather immature "realistic" approach, because the alternate path leads straight back to Joel. The result is that you see purported Bat fans dosclaiming the appeal of everything cool about Batman.

And, somehow, when I see it claimed that Batman's costume must be adjusted to incorporate knee pads in case he falls on and hurts his knees, I know something has gone wrong.

This is the smartest & most articulate post I have ever read on the topic. Bravo.

I do think that Batman has become, in a way, a link between the stark reality we live in and the fantasy world we wish we could live in. When we want to see a practical batsuit, in a way, it's because it helps us more fully believe in a fantastical world and is a conduit to a fuller suspension of disbelief. That doesn't mean going overboard with it, but a nod to reality can also be a way to sell the fantasy.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ I think "selling the fantasy" is important. I don't want Batman to look like he's wearing pajamas, but I am also sick of the bulky rubber.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I think the Adam west costume is our best bet. It's not real guys. Lets get as far away from this realism bs as possible. King Morrison gave us his opinion, if you think batman should be realistic, you are sadly mistaken. I Morrison land batman also killed the joker in the killing joke. His interpretation is the only interpretation.

 

[Denny67]

I've got a better idea. Let's find an opinion on a single point that some people happen to agree with. Then from there take that agreement, sarcastically stretch it to the most ridiculous lengths, and act like a total asshat in order to erasure ourselves that we ate so above the normal folk. It'll be just like taking vitamins for the soul!

So Internet cool!

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I think the Adam west costume is our best bet. It's not real guys. Lets get as far away from this realism bs as possible. King Morrison gave us his opinion, if you think batman should be realistic, you are sadly mistaken. I Morrison land batman also killed the joker in the killing joke. His interpretation is the only interpretation.

That was actually how it was widely interpreted originally before it was retroactively incorporated into the canon. It also persisted from the 80's till now.

In "the Death of Superman" it was widely interpreted that Superman never died, but was rather in some kind of "hibernation". That was until several beings with power over life and death confirmed he died.


Basically, softer trolling without idiocy is better. You'll rustle more jimmies.


2/10 made me respond.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

get rid of the shinguards and that's as perfect a live action batsuit can get. it even has the black in the crotch area to appease the trunk fans.

 

[Compi716]

Ever hear Grant Morrison's little rant on adult comic book fans?



Kind of sums up the fanbase in the post-Nolan world. And I only reference Nolan because I really think he's the spearhead figure for this "reality" obsession of the modern day.

My God, Grant Morrison is brilliant. Few "get it" quite like he does.

 

[Boy Scout]

get rid of the shinguards and that's as perfect a live action batsuit can get. it even has the black in the crotch area to appease the trunk fans.

Give him better boots and different gauntlets and a belt that isn't gray, too.

 

[roach]

It's easy to blame Nolan for the mundane, compromised, "teh realistic" approach; but in a roundabout way, it is probably equally the fault of Joel Schumacher.

The need for verisimilitude is, I think, entirely low brow. It appeals to children who want to make believe, which is only natural. The art is in not offending against verisimilitude too much, while exploring all the mystery, weirdness and fun which is inherent in Batman. The way to do that is to tell a story that seems natural in its own right. By analogy, Star Wars never leads you to object to the physically impossible lightsaber.

What Schumacher did, however, was to dispense with verisimilitude so fully, and to depict a fictional world that crumbled so completely under its narrative complacency and lurid visuals, that Nolan's grey and muted reaction was probably inevitable. It briefly felt welcome. But now opinion has become polarised: you supposedly have to support a dull, reductive and rather immature "realistic" approach, because the alternate path leads straight back to Joel. The result is that you see purported Bat fans dosclaiming the appeal of everything cool about Batman.

And, somehow, when I see it claimed that Batman's costume must be adjusted to incorporate knee pads in case he falls on and hurts his knees, I know something has gone wrong.

I agree with everything but what I highlighted. I don't think it's kids that need everything explained. If you watch cartoons, shows aimed at kids, you'll see that sometimes nothing is explained. It's adults that push for a reason for Batman to wear a bat suit.

 

[Bathead]

get rid of the shinguards and that's as perfect a live action batsuit can get. it even has the black in the crotch area to appease the trunk fans.

No bloody way. That suit is meant to be a primitive version of the suit worn by a rookie Batman, cobbled together from bits and pieces. Hardly what a veteran Batman as he's supposed to be in this movie would wear. Looks ugly as sin, too. Again, let's please get away from this awful body armor look.

 

[roach]

I'll just post this here:
"I saw the costume, more than that, I saw him [Ben Affleck] in the costume. I don't want to give anything away, but I am going to say this... I instantly bear hugged [Snyder].

You have not seen this costume in film before. Because every other movie has done this Matrixy black armor thing. There wasn't a single nipple on this suit.

I think everyone is gonna be like 'Holy *****!' We haven't been down this path before. Even the hardest core '***** this movie' person will be like 'alright, I'm ready!'"

 

[Sub-Zero]

That was actually how it was widely interpreted originally before it was retroactively incorporated into the canon. It also persisted from the 80's till now.

In "the Death of Superman" it was widely interpreted that Superman never died, but was rather in some kind of "hibernation". That was until several beings with power over life and death confirmed he died.


Basically, softer trolling without idiocy is better. You'll rustle more jimmies.


2/10 made me respond.

I agree with you. I like to bring in the idiocy because sometimes when people get too carried away with their constant seriousness it gives them something to divert attention from their heated argument. In the end we're just fans talking. We're not Jett and everything we say will not be heard by the studio. Ex. Jett likes to believe he's the reason they made begins.

 

[TheBat812]

It's easy to blame Nolan for the mundane, compromised, "teh realistic" approach; but in a roundabout way, it is probably equally the fault of Joel Schumacher.

The need for verisimilitude is, I think, entirely low brow. It appeals to children who want to make believe, which is only natural. The art is in not offending against verisimilitude too much, while exploring all the mystery, weirdness and fun which is inherent in Batman. The way to do that is to tell a story that seems natural in its own right. By analogy, Star Wars never leads you to object to the physically impossible lightsaber.

What Schumacher did, however, was to dispense with verisimilitude so fully, and to depict a fictional world that crumbled so completely under its narrative complacency and lurid visuals, that Nolan's grey and muted reaction was probably inevitable. It briefly felt welcome. But now opinion has become polarised: you supposedly have to support a dull, reductive and rather immature "realistic" approach, because the alternate path leads straight back to Joel. The result is that you see purported Bat fans dosclaiming the appeal of everything cool about Batman.

And, somehow, when I see it claimed that Batman's costume must be adjusted to incorporate knee pads in case he falls on and hurts his knees, I know something has gone wrong.

Or, you know, people just have a personal preference where they like that look.

I also disagree a bit with this post mainly because you're kind of putting words in other people's mouths. The desire to look at a Batman costume and not wonder how the hell he survives is kind of logical. It also doesn't automatically equal "must be entirely viewably armored because nothing else makes sense." It just would be great to strike a balance where it looks both sleek and agile as well as protective without it looking the way you suggest in the same way that 'fabricky' doesn't automatically equal spandex. There is a happy medium to be found and I have a feeling they'll find it. But let's stop the polarization of viewpoints and demonizing them, it's a bit childish.

 

[Spamtron]

As mentioned with the Arkham Origins being his early start suit-up, makes sense he would later develop even better, more usable, combat gear as a veteran Batman...with leaned down less bulky shin/knee and forearm pieces. It's definitely a cool looking suit in much of it's parts. Not using the Goth soled boots and Robotech bits would definitely take away the only troublesome aspects for me in that style suit.

 

[regwec]

Or, you know, people just have a personal preference where they like that look.

I also disagree a bit with this post mainly because you're kind of putting words in other people's mouths. The desire to look at a Batman costume and not wonder how the hell he survives is kind of logical. It also doesn't automatically equal "must be entirely viewably armored because nothing else makes sense." It just would be great to strike a balance where it looks both sleek and agile as well as protective without it looking the way you suggest in the same way that 'fabricky' doesn't automatically equal spandex. There is a happy medium to be found and I have a feeling they'll find it. But let's stop the polarization of viewpoints and demonizing them, it's a bit childish.

Nobody is being "demonized". You don't appear to be responding to the post you quoted, so I won't set out a defence of it.

 

[Skrilla31]

Where do you draw the line though? Isn't it just easier to let lose yourself in the magic and enjoy it for what it is? You know... like when you were a kid?

Batman isn't invulnerable because of his suit. He's invulnerable because he's Batman.

 

[Knightstalker]

Anyone else hoping Zack Snyder gives us a little Christmas present, and reveals Affleck in the Batsuit? t:

 

[WoodyROM]

^ Absolutely!

 

[Boom]

I'll just post this here:
"I saw the costume, more than that, I saw him [Ben Affleck] in the costume. I don't want to give anything away, but I am going to say this... I instantly bear hugged [Snyder].

You have not seen this costume in film before. Because every other movie has done this Matrixy black armor thing. There wasn't a single nipple on this suit.

I think everyone is gonna be like 'Holy *****!' We haven't been down this path before. Even the hardest core '***** this movie' person will be like 'alright, I'm ready!'"

So emotion.

Much feels.

 

[roach]

So emotion.

Much feels.

I will keep posting this because we keep gravitating back to suits that look like the Nolan suits.

 

[WoodyROM]

And I thank you for that.