BvS The Batsuit Thread - Part 9

[roach]

I so love you right now.

 

[Lencho01]

http://kerrycallen.blogspot.com/2013/07/batman-is-hoarder.html

 

[BatFan1979]

I have always wondered why they are so afraid of the costumes and play them down in superhero movies. In real life we have people that dress like "weirdos" and are very comfortable doing so. They are individuals and feel no need to blend in with society.

I dont see why superheros, especially the X-men would not get into that idea. The super powered folks or mutants would be i imagine just another sub culture that has their own unique style of dressing.

I don't agree; I take issue with your example. The "weirdos" you mention are humans that feel different or want to be different, so they show it through their personal fashion. On the other hand, mutants are meant to be humans who are actually different from normal folks and are persecuted for it, so I think many of them would indeed want to blend in with everyone else to avoid constant persecution. I mean the X-Men movies, and many of the comics, have wrestled with that very topic.

 

[Boom]

I listened to Kevin Smith's comments on the new suit and got the feels again.

 

[roach]

 

[The Shield]

people who are in dangerous situations all the time know that black is the best to be dressed in.

Hot Toys? I almost thought these were real men.

 

[Wise]

I just want to see more gadgets, more batarangs, more grapple gun.

I can't remember but I don't think Bale ever used the grapple gun in TDKR and he only used it in the construction site scene in TDK.

I wanna see the gauntlets be a big part of the suit. Being able to control his vehicles remotely and link to the bat computer.

 

[Bathead]

Ok, how about this? The way that the character and his world is set up and the situations that he finds himself in, makes having an all-black costume the best way to go.

Nope, and I hope you're not gonna bring up the" all black is stealthier than grey and black/blue" nonsense.

 

[Bathead]

What evidence? Of what?

The evidence that was the results by a group of scientists investigating night time urban camouflage for the military. Their conclusion was that a mix of black and grey is superior to all black because the night time urban environment is exactly that, a mix of different gradations of shadow and light, and actually all black stands out more under such conditions. So, an all black suit is NOT the best for the conditions that Batman typically operates under.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Starting to feel like we'll never see affleck in the suit

 

[Wise]

Starting to feel like we'll never see affleck in the suit

Nevah say nevah

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Starting to feel like we'll never see affleck in the suit

That's because he won't be WEARING a suit

He'll totally 'Beowulf' the man from Metropolis!

 

[Afrobean]

Batman isn't real. So, does he really need "realistic" colors? And supposedly grey is just fine for "realism" too.

His costume should make sense within the internal context of the universe. "Would this Bruce Wayne character really willingly wear this? Why or why not?" Batman isn't hard to justify a costume for: he wants to appear threatening and theatrical to be memorable. Characters like Wolverine are much harder to justify, and that's why they haven't managed to shoehorn in a costume for him yet.

With more traditional "superhero" garb, you need a character who WANTS to be seen as a superhero. So Kick-Ass WANTS to be a superhero, so he is "allowed" to wear a superhero costume. The X-men DON'T want to be superheroes, so they are NOT allowed to wear superhero costumes. If you want to justify them wearing something unusual, it has to make sense for that character. For example, First Class gave the X-men Kevlar tactical gear that just "happened" to be yellow because Kevlar is naturally yellow. They justified the "superhero" costume from the comics as being armored gear rather than just putting them in superhero tights.

What I'm really trying to say is that costumes don't have to be "realistic", they just need to make sense as a character choice. If you want Batman to wear a bright blue cape, there needs to be a reason why Bruce would make that decision. It doesn't need to be explicitly given, but we need to be able to believe that the character would choose to wear the unusual attire.

 

[Wise]

His costume should make sense within the internal context of the universe. "Would this Bruce Wayne character really willingly wear this? Why or why not?" Batman isn't hard to justify a costume for: he wants to appear threatening and theatrical to be memorable. Characters like Wolverine are much harder to justify, and that's why they haven't managed to shoehorn in a costume for him yet.

With more traditional "superhero" garb, you need a character who WANTS to be seen as a superhero. So Kick-Ass WANTS to be a superhero, so he is "allowed" to wear a superhero costume. The X-men DON'T want to be superheroes, so they are NOT allowed to wear superhero costumes. If you want to justify them wearing something unusual, it has to make sense for that character. For example, First Class gave the X-men Kevlar tactical gear that just "happened" to be yellow because Kevlar is naturally yellow. They justified the "superhero" costume from the comics as being armored gear rather than just putting them in superhero tights.

What I'm really trying to say is that costumes don't have to be "realistic", they just need to make sense as a character choice. If you want Batman to wear a bright blue cape, there needs to be a reason why Bruce would make that decision. It doesn't need to be explicitly given, but we need to be able to believe that the character would choose to wear the unusual attire.

Great post.

I'd also point out that the blue and yellow of First Class' costumes are more acceptable because of the 60's time period.

 

[afan]

The evidence that was the results by a group of scientists investigating night time urban camouflage for the military. Their conclusion was that a mix of black and grey is superior to all black because the night time urban environment is exactly that, a mix of different gradations of shadow and light, and actually all black stands out more under such conditions. So, an all black suit is NOT the best for the conditions that Batman typically operates under.

Just to mention and assuming, Lee Childs, the author of the Jack Reacher novels did his research.....dark blue is often noted as a color that is very difficult for night surveillance cameras to perceive.

 

[Lencho01]

His costume should make sense within the internal context of the universe. "Would this Bruce Wayne character really willingly wear this? Why or why not?" Batman isn't hard to justify a costume for: he wants to appear threatening and theatrical to be memorable. Characters like Wolverine are much harder to justify, and that's why they haven't managed to shoehorn in a costume for him yet.

With more traditional "superhero" garb, you need a character who WANTS to be seen as a superhero. So Kick-Ass WANTS to be a superhero, so he is "allowed" to wear a superhero costume. The X-men DON'T want to be superheroes, so they are NOT allowed to wear superhero costumes. If you want to justify them wearing something unusual, it has to make sense for that character. For example, First Class gave the X-men Kevlar tactical gear that just "happened" to be yellow because Kevlar is naturally yellow. They justified the "superhero" costume from the comics as being armored gear rather than just putting them in superhero tights.

What I'm really trying to say is that costumes don't have to be "realistic", they just need to make sense as a character choice. If you want Batman to wear a bright blue cape, there needs to be a reason why Bruce would make that decision. It doesn't need to be explicitly given, but we need to be able to believe that the character would choose to wear the unusual attire.

Well, I think some people care too much about the "Why" of it all. At the end of the day, you could just say we're talking about some rich guy who dresses up as a bat and pummels mentally sick people from time to time. There really doesn't need to be a justification of why these characters wear the colors that they do. When you put too much reality into it beyond how these characters react to their situations, it just falls apart. It's just how they dress and they live in a fictional world where it doesn't matter.

If we truly cared about how real it all was, I think dealing with characters that are pretty much meant for kids/teens isn't the best way to deal with it. Even then, it's all fiction and however TPTB make things is their choice. So, if Batman can scare people in a rainbow suit, not because of how he looks, but because of what he can do, then it just is what it is. I think too much emphasis is placed on him being scary since it's not really how he looks that makes him scary especially when we've seen the character interact with many people who aren't criminals. So, it's why I find all these "realistic" conversations pretty amusing and just wonder "Why so serious?"

And I don't care much about any real world weapons, tools, or applications that people like bring up as a way to justify things because Batman ain't real. These things never bothered me when I first fell in love with the character as a kid and they don't now as an adult.

 

[StarLord]

Starting to feel like we'll never see affleck in the suit

Hold your horses. They haven't started filming yet!

 

[Alien Anal]

I don't agree; I take issue with your example. The "weirdos" you mention are humans that feel different or want to be different, so they show it through their personal fashion. On the other hand, mutants are meant to be humans who are actually different from normal folks and are persecuted for it, so I think many of them would indeed want to blend in with everyone else to avoid constant persecution. I mean the X-Men movies, and many of the comics, have wrestled with that very topic.

But mutants are humans or are they considered not? There are many people who do not recognize them selves as being what society tells them to be so they modify and change them selves to be who they want to be and they wear it proudly.
I dont think my example was suppose to be taken so literal, i just mean that there are plenty of people that embrace their difference to the rest of society and choose to do so by dressing how they feel comfortable. I imagine that if people with superpowers existed over along period of time that had no need to dress in tactical gear due to their power would POSSIBLY dress in a way we have not seen before. All i am trying to do is justify a possible reason as to why our beloved superheros should wear their outlandish costumes. Going from how much fashion changes in society, people end up wearing things that even them selves thought would be ridiculous a year earlier.

 

[Artistsean]

just for fun:

 

[Bathead]

Well, I think some people care too much about the "Why" of it all. At the end of the day, you could just say we're talking about some rich guy who dresses up as a bat and pummels mentally sick people from time to time. There really doesn't need to be a justification of why these characters wear the colors that they do. When you put too much reality into it beyond how these characters react to their situations, it just falls apart. It's just how they dress and they live in a fictional world where it doesn't matter.

If we truly cared about how real it all was, I think dealing with characters that are pretty much meant for kids/teens isn't the best way to deal with it. Even then, it's all fiction and however TPTB make things is their choice. So, if Batman can scare people in a rainbow suit, not because of how he looks, but because of what he can do, then it just is what it is. I think too much emphasis is placed on him being scary since it's not really how he looks that makes him scary especially when we've seen the character interact with many people who aren't criminals. So, it's why I find all these "realistic" conversations pretty amusing and just wonder "Why so serious?"

And I don't care much about any real world weapons, tools, or applications that people like bring up as a way to justify things because Batman ain't real. These things never bothered me when I first fell in love with the character as a kid and they don't now as an adult.

Agreed. I do believe "realism" should indeed be a part of all this, but it shouldn't take over to the point that it start to make unreasonable changes to the source material. People take this realism consideration way too far and make it far too important in a genre that is after all, fantasy at it's most fantastic.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Yes. HOW DARE MAGIC EXIST in this world of flying superheroes and terraforming devices!

 

[Lencho01]

Agreed. I do believe "realism" should indeed be a part of all this, but it shouldn't take over to the point that it start to make unreasonable changes to the source material. People take this realism consideration way too far and make it far too important in a genre that is after all, fantasy at it's most fantastic.

Yeah, it's like people are treating grey as if it's come bright color compared to black or something. And that somehow darkness or absence of light is will make Batman look a lot different if he chose to hide (which barely seems to happen on film anyway).

^ Yes. HOW DARE MAGIC EXIST in this world of flying superheroes and terraforming devices!

Yep. It's all gotta be "real" and "serious".

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^ Yes. HOW DARE MAGIC EXIST in this world of flying superheroes and terraforming devices!

Wait, are you telling me that those two things aren't real?

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Yeah, it's like people are treating grey as if it's come bright color compared to black or something. And that somehow darkness or absence of light is will make Batman look a lot different if he chose to hide (which barely seems to happen on film anyway).



Yep. It's all gotta be "real" and "serious".

http://world.time.com/2013/02/05/yo...r/slide/the-smartest-ninjas-didnt-wear-black/

A real life argument for the "dark blue" cape and cow designl. Also, almost all real life camo has a color break-up (ie.no solid black or grey)

I wouldn't mind if the suit had some type of light-reflective quality to blend in different settings. But I don't want Batman to go completely "invisibility-cape" on us. I want his silhouette to always be visible to the audience, unless he's in total "stealth mode."

 

[Lencho01]

http://world.time.com/2013/02/05/yo...r/slide/the-smartest-ninjas-didnt-wear-black/

A real life argument for the "dark blue" cape and cow designl. Also, almost all real life camo has a color break-up (ie.no solid black or grey)

I wouldn't mind if the suit had some type of light-reflective quality to blend in different settings. But I don't want Batman to go completely "invisibility-cape" on us. I want his silhouette to always be visible to the audience, unless he's in total "stealth mode."

I think it won't matter either way since at least on film, the idea of him Batman being stealth-like means simply not fully showing him on camera or not at all.

I'd leave the invisibility stuff for a special suit unless they ever show Terry as Batman.