The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[Ultramankrypton]

Ah, yes. In a world full of superheroes, I see one working for our government wearing just a generic looking one in all black, no cape, a completely different symbol, and I think to myself "yeah underneath that mask is a clone of Superman".

Not really sure how being a deterrent prevents the clone from also being used to damage Superman's reputation. It's Lex. The clone is going to have multiple usages.

The devil is in the details fam


Why the heck would Lex design a suit that’s emulating Superman’s— the piping, lines, are almost the exact same — if its identity is supposed to be a secret?

Not to mention, that everybody will publicly see that the clone has the exact same powers as Clark.

(P.S the clone is also bigger, and taller than Clark)

“Not really sure how being a deterrent prevents the clone from also being used to damage Superman's reputation. It's Lex. The clone is going to have multiple usages.”

Because then the government would have to be in on the framing of Superman (they’d know about it), and that’s very illegal, and dumb.

I just think this theory falls apart with even the slightest bit of logistical scrutiny

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The devil is in the details fam

View attachment 95016
Why the heck would Lex design a suit that’s emulating Superman’s— the piping, lines, are almost the exact same — if its identity is supposed to be a secret?

Not to mention, that everybody will publicly see that the clone has the exact same powers as Clark.

(P.S the clone is also bigger, and taller than Clark)

“Not really sure how being a deterrent prevents the clone from also being used to damage Superman's reputation. It's Lex. The clone is going to have multiple usages.”

Because then the government would have to be in on the framing of Superman (they’d know about it), and that’s very illegal, and dumb.

I just think this theory falls apart with even the slightest bit of logistical scrutiny

He's wearing a mask.

You think it's odd for the government to do something illegal and dumb? Well do I have some news for you...

 

[Ninjablade]

The devil is in the details fam

View attachment 95016
Why the heck would Lex design a suit that’s emulating Superman’s— the piping, lines, are almost the exact same — if its identity is supposed to be a secret?

You quite literally picked a picture in which the suits look nothing alike outside of vague tactical-ness. There's like 10 easily identifiable differences, and that's just looking at the arm. Any similarities they have are strictly because they follow a lot of the same modern superhero film costume guidelines.

Not to mention, that everybody will publicly see that the clone has the exact same powers as Clark.

Wow, crazy. Another meta-human has similar powers to Superman. He can fly, and is super strong. Those aren't generic superhero powers or anything.

Because then the government would have to be in on the framing of Superman (they’d know about it), and that’s very illegal, and dumb.

I just think this theory falls apart with even the slightest bit of logistical scrutiny

Breaking news: Lex (the bad guy) makes clone he created do illegal things.

The government doesn't have to be involved at all. That's why Lex is the bad guy.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

 

[Ultramankrypton]

He's wearing a mask.

You think it's odd for the government to do something illegal and dumb? Well do I have some news for you...

It’s literally illegal for them to frame someone dude. And what reason would they have for doing that to him?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It’s literally illegal for them to frame someone dude. And what reason would they have for doing that to him?

A lot of things are illegal. Like phone tapping without a warrant or assassinating someone. And yet they've done it loads of times.

Here's example:

The Assassination · The Assassination of Fred Hampton · Digital Chicago

 

[Snow Queen]

I hope someone stops Lex from doing illegal things like framing someone and stealing 40 cakes. That's terrible.

 

[Ninjablade]

It’s literally illegal for them to frame someone dude. And what reason would they have for doing that to him?

I don't know. Why would the bad guy who hates Superman want to frame Superman in the eyes of the public? Who could possibly think of why the bad guy would something illegal like that?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I really hope Lex Luthor never becomes president. Because how can he be a bad guy, when the president can't do anything illegal?

 

[Ultramankrypton]

You quite literally picked a picture in which the suits look nothing alike outside of vague tactical-ness. There's like 10 easily identifiable differences, and that's just looking at the arm. Any similarities they have are strictly because they follow a lot of the same modern superhero film costume guidelines.

Maybe this’ll help you get it



There are very obvious, and INTENTIONAL similarities between both designs in terms of accents and design elements. Sure, it’s not the **exact** same, but it’s obvious overlap between them

Ultraman’s suit is meant to be a corrupted version or Clark’s suit ala Spider-Man - Venom.

Wow, crazy. Another meta-human has similar powers to Superman. He can fly, and is super strong. Those aren't generic superhero powers or anything.

….And has laser vision, and probably freeze breath, is super fast etc. Superman is probably the only hero with those powers in the movie’s present

Breaking news: Lex (the bad guy) makes clone he created do illegal things.

The government doesn't have to be involved at all. That's why Lex is the bad guy.

What I’m saying is that if the Gov are involved in Ultraman’s creation, and they almost certainly are:




Since Lex is working with the military, then he wouldn’t be able to use it without their involvement. It’s clearly a jooint project

 

[Ninjablade]

@Ultramankrypton Serious question, dude. Are you purposefully trolling me right now? It really feels like you're messing with me with that response.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Since Lex is working with the military, then he wouldn’t be able to use it without their involvement. It’s clearly a jooint project

Why can't he?

 

[Ultramankrypton]

Why can't he?

Because how would they be fooled? He made it for them!

@Ultramankrypton Serious question, dude. Are you purposefully trolling me right now? It really feels like you're messing with me with that response.

I just drew a diagram for you and you think I’m trolling I’m not even the first person to point out the similarities

It doesn’t take a super genius hard to put the pieces together.

- Lex Luthor is working for the government

- he’s supplying vehicles, weapons and tech to the military

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because how would they be fooled? He made it for them!

Who do you assume he's trying to fool?

I just drew a diagram for you and you think I’m trolling I’m not even the first person to point out the similarities

It doesn’t take a super genius hard to put the pieces together.

- Lex Luthor is working for the government

- he’s supplying vehicles, weapons and tech to the military

You know the government can do illegal things, right? There isn't some forcefield stopping them.

 

[Ultramankrypton]

Anyway, getting away from the topic of cartoonish theories that sound like the plot of a bad spinoff comic from the 90s

I like that Krypto is in this. Makes me think this movie is gonna have some flavor of “Boy and his dog” amblin tone

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Anyway, getting away from the topic of cartoonish theories that sound like the plot of a bad spinoff comic from the 90s

I like that Krypto is in this. Makes me think this movie is gonna have some flavor of “Boy and his dog” amblin tone

Bro, you're the guy who thinks the government can't possibly do anything illegal or that it's full of super geniuses.

James Gunn's last DC movie was about a government agency doing the most illegal ****, while being as dumb as possible about it.

 

[Snow Queen]

James Gunn's last DC movie featured the government doing bad and illegal things to help contain the mess they caused by doing bad and illegal things. It will not surprise me if the government in Superman does bad and illegal things or isn't hyper-competent and is capable of being duped.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Also one of the most used aspect of shady government projects, is a lot of people are not in the know.

 

[Monochron]

Holy ****. Luthorcorp? Someone actually thought that was a better name than LexCorp? Gross.

 

[emielaen]

Where's the dislike button when ya need it

 

[Ninjablade]

I just drew a diagram for you and you think I’m trolling I’m not even the first person to point out the similarities

No, I think you're trolling because you drew me a diagram that is the equivalent of saying a pine tree and a palm tree are the same thing because they're both trees. Both suits have shoulders and belts? I didn't notice. Yeah, I can see that they have some similarities to draw connections. I'm also an overzealous nerd on the internet looking at clear photos of two guys just standing around, and analyzing their suits. Which isn't something the average Joe is doing, let alone an average soldier doing their job.

Your diagram also completely ignores the fact that the every single element you pointed out is designed vastly differently in shape/size, on top of just making up some. Not to mention the symbol "similarity" is incredibly forced. I could do that with every single symbol on a superhero's chest.

Since Lex is working with the military, then he wouldn’t be able to use it without their involvement. It’s clearly a jooint project

Do you know how common it is for a supervillain in a comic book property to be working in conjunction with the military only for it to be revealed that said supervillain is only using the military to achieve a much greater goal? Like this isn't some random plot that we're talking about. It's such a generic trope. Whiplash made the Hammer Drones for the military and was still able to use them to attack Iron Man without anyone's consent/knowledge/involvement.

It doesn’t take a super genius hard to put the pieces together.

- Lex Luthor is working for the government

- he’s supplying vehicles, weapons and tech to the military

And he can do all that while still using said supplies for his own personal goals. The last Lex literally did this in BvS with the stupid Scout Ship to make Doomsday.

 

[Ultramankrypton]

No, I think you're trolling because you drew me a diagram that is the equivalent of saying a pine tree and a palm tree are the same thing because they're both trees. Both suits have shoulders and belts? I didn't notice.

Both have shoulder chevrons, piping in the same areas on the torso, arms, and legs, with similar shapes

That’s like saying Venom’s suit doesn’t look anything like Spider-Man’s because the web pattern is either different, or absent.

“they both have spiders and eyes”

Yeah, I can see that they have some similarities to draw connections. I'm also an overzealous nerd on the internet looking at clear photos of two guys just standing around, and analyzing their suits. Which isn't something the average Joe is doing, let alone an average soldier doing their job.

We’re not “average joes”. You’ve surely been in these fan circles long enough to realize that, rite??

Your diagram also completely ignores the fact that the every single element you pointed out is designed vastly differently in shape/size, on top of just making up some. Not to mention the symbol "similarity" is incredibly forced. I could do that with every single symbol on a superhero's chest.

No you couldn’t, not in *this* movie. Not when “Ultra” is a synonym of “Super”, and the names have a direct relation to each other.

The symbols on their chests are thematically tied to each other. That alone proves my point

Do you know how common it is for a supervillain in a comic book property to be working in conjunction with the military only for it to be revealed that said supervillain is only using the military to achieve a much greater goal? Like this isn't some random plot that we're talking about. It's such a generic trope. Whiplash made the Hammer Drones for the military and was still able to use them to attack Iron Man without anyone's consent/knowledge/involvement.

I just find it incredibly convoluted, on top of everything happening in this movie. You mean to tell me that this hulked out dude (who is 2x the size of Corenswet) is secretly moonlightignting as the real Superman to commit crimes, ON top of working for the military and Authority directly, and wearing a suit that already shares aesthetic DNA with Superman?

This isn’t a cartoon!

And he can do all that while still using said supplies for his own personal goals. The last Lex literally did this in BvS with the stupid Scout Ship to make Doomsday.

The last version of Lex had nothing to do with the government, or military, *until* Superman showed up.

This version of Lex is obviously hip deep in military contracts, and government research right from the start. To the point, where the soldiers are wearing his uniforms, and using his tech

I’m willing to bet that this Lex works with Waller directly, and is profiting on the militarization of superheroes

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I usually think that you have good opinions, but I completely disagree. I’m not a fan of Morrison at all. Their writing is always very confusing.

Besides, the two most talented comics writers of all time are Moore and Kirby, with Waid coming in third.

Waid is a mediocre writer who did two great stories (Kingdom Come and Birthright, the former heavily undercut by the fact its message is about literally nothing that actually matters and is ultimately kind of just fanboy whining - I still love it to death though). Nothing really impressive about him as a writer overall, IMO. He's Fine but unremarkable - someone of similar stature to Waid I'd consider a lot more talented is Kurt Busiek.

Kirby's amazing but I wouldn't describe him as a great writer in the traditional sense of the word.

 

[Gu3ree]

I didn't even realize Lexcorp was changed to Luthorcorp...again. Had Luthorcorp on the Smallville TV series which was obviously destined to become Lexcorp. Then in Supergirl season 2, they do that exact thing, except in reverse. (I stopped watching Supergirl in the middle of season 2)