The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[Micromind]

People (general audience) had little issue with the "baggage" Gal Gadot had (from BvS) when they saw WW movie, similarly people had no problem with "baggage" Jason Momoa had (from BvS, JL) when they turned-up to see Aquaman.

Don't know why only Cavill seems to have this perception of carrying the baggage of BvS and JL, when his role was reduced to a guest role in both movies.

 

[Boy Scout]

Because WW and AM didn’t have the exposure (and therefore a lot less of the baggage) that Superman has by the time their solo films rolled around. Superman’s been front and center since the DCEU’s inception. They’re just stepping up to the plate.

 

[dhandler01]

Yeah it's not comparable. I love Cav-El but his version of the character never seemed to resonate with the majority of the audience. Personally I blame the films themselves but that is a big hurdle to climb.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Because WW and AM didn’t have the exposure (and therefore a lot less of the baggage) that Superman has by the time their solo films rolled around. Superman’s been front and center since the DCEU’s inception. They’re just stepping up to the plate.

Pretty much. They were supporting characters, and in WW's case essentially an extended cameo in BvS. Cavill meanwhile has basically been the public face of these films. It isn't just him either. It was probably even more true with regards to Affleck than for Cavill.

 

[Greenlite]

I thought Affleck's more the face of DCEU before WW/AM/HQ took over

His name was even the lead credit in BvS

Cavill just became less and less prominent since MOS. BvS 1/2 hour of his/Lois scenes were cut, and he barely featured in JL marketing and was on screen for about 10 minutes in the actual film

While the marketing since 2016 have centered around Margot Robbie, Gal, Ben, Jason, Zachary and now back towards Margot again

 

[DerekLake]

People (general audience) had little issue with the "baggage" Gal Gadot had (from BvS) when they saw WW movie, similarly people had no problem with "baggage" Jason Momoa had (from BvS, JL) when they turned-up to see Aquaman.

Don't know why only Cavill seems to have this perception of carrying the baggage of BvS and JL, when his role was reduced to a guest role in both movies.

Because WW and AM didn’t have the exposure (and therefore a lot less of the baggage) that Superman has by the time their solo films rolled around. Superman’s been front and center since the DCEU’s inception. They’re just stepping up to the plate.

I thought Affleck's more the face of DCEU before WW/AM/HQ took over

His name was even the lead credit in BvS

Cavill just became less and less prominent since MOS. BvS 1/2 hour of his/Lois scenes were cut, and he barely featured in JL marketing and was on screen for about 10 minutes in the actual film

While the marketing since 2016 have centered around Margot Robbie, Gal, Ben, Jason, Zachary and now back towards Margot again

All this. I think it ultimately comes down to the fact that Cavill is the one portraying Superman, and it’s the depiction of his Superman that lies at the center of DCEU criticism. He is the face of Snyder’s DCEU.

I remember a lot of us saying two years ago that Justice League was Snyder’s absolute last chance to get Superman right. Unfortunately, it turns out that Snyder was, again, going to simply double down on the very elements people found problematic, and despite the forced Johns/Whedon course correct, the entire film’s failure (especially that mustache issue) probably sealed Cavill’s fate (especially since WB asked for permission for Cavill to shave).

At this point, a reboot is all but likely. Unless Cavill manages to find a director with enough cred and interest, he’ll likely not be Superman again.

 

[Boy Scout]

I think he probably could’ve gotten it with the Mission Impossible guy, but that’s obviously not happening now.

 

[Vaibow]

Because WW and AM didn’t have the exposure (and therefore a lot less of the baggage) that Superman has by the time their solo films rolled around. Superman’s been front and center since the DCEU’s inception. They’re just stepping up to the plate.

Superman was supposed to be the number one, the catalyst for everything else - starting with MOS. They then rushed superman to the status of a worthy opponent to batman, yet what we got, wasn't what we wanted and left a weird, sour taste, esp when he was dead after 2 movies, felt a let down, when we hadn't really got the superman they were offering.

Yeah it's not comparable. I love Cav-El but his version of the character never seemed to resonate with the majority of the audience. Personally I blame the films themselves but that is a big hurdle to climb.

Spot on, same as the sentiments above, he was rushed.

Pretty much. They were supporting characters, and in WW's case essentially an extended cameo in BvS. Cavill meanwhile has basically been the public face of these films. It isn't just him either. It was probably even more true with regards to Affleck than for Cavill.

Affleck was the big name attached to it, to be the RDJ - whilst he did nothing wrong with his role in bvs, it wasn't as kid friendly a movie or held the prestige of a nolan movie - reshoots in JL hurt him and the movie.

Thing with JM and Aquaman, JM was likeable and very different to what we got or was expecting from JL and the good reviews got a lot of people peaked. Same for GG and WW - plus, WW had the help of a feminism vibe, quite rightly so, amongst the #metoo movements.

Media and PR of JM and Cavill, GG etc, a strong unity, i feel it's JM and GG that can carry any negative weight Cavill may have, esp if WW1984 and Shazam are hits. Superman needs a Ragnorak movie, not a recast or reboot, just a damn good, fun movie that the family will enjoy and leave feeling good.

 

[batman44]

Joe Cornish said that he is a fan of Superman it seems he would be game for making a film.

 

[BH/HHH]

After watching Bumblebee I’m on the Travis Knight train

 

[unholyrevenger]

The Travis Knight Train, is probably stuck on the transformers rail way for the foreseeable future

 

[AverageMan]

You can tell that no Superman news is forthcoming - Heroic Hollywood just spend their time posting fan art!

 

[Shadowstrife]

It's sad to me how, through indecision, incompetence and casual procrastination, WB seem to be pushing Cavill away.

Last summer during the press tour for MI: Fallout had me hyped for a McQuarrie- directed outing. Then the Witcher casting happened.

 

[Willi Berg]

After watching "Spider-Man: Into the Spider-verse" I just wish would WB have fun with Superman in such a way. Being inventive and having fun with the sci-fi, the multiverse etc.

I even enjoy stuff like in the comic books when Grant Morrison had that Superman Beyond 3D special. Just doing all these different things with Superman. There is a lot they can do. It can be light, dark, very modern, very classic.

Warner Bros. Wants Strong Superman Movie:

“The universe isn’t as connected as we thought it was going to be five years ago. You’re seeing much more focus on individual experiences around individual characters. That’s not to say we won’t at some point come back to that notion of a more connected universe. But it feels like that’s the right strategy for us right now.”

As for Superman and Batman, he states, “Obviously, we want to get those two in the right place, and we want strong movies around Batman and Superman. But ‘Aquaman’ is a perfect example of what we can do. They’re each unique and the tone’s different in each movie.”

 

[Tg11]

Nicholas Hoult

 

[JOE]

So many other heroes are coming out and making huge box office debuts. Shazam is going to crush it, loving what I'm hearing from early screenings. It's sad that Superman can't do the same, there's too much association with the Snyder film. Even if one came out next year I doubt it would make the money Shazam is going to make.

I do like the direction DC is headed.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah, I hope that they do get Superman "right" eventually, but it does seem like it will be years and years before they give him another shot.

 

[Boy Scout]

Nicholas Hoult

Wouldn’t hate it.

 

[Jekecy]

So many other heroes are coming out and making huge box office debuts. Shazam is going to crush it, loving what I'm hearing from early screenings. It's sad that Superman can't do the same, there's too much association with the Snyder film. Even if one came out next year I doubt it would make the money Shazam is going to make.

This is a big reason I’m not so pressed for his cinematic return. I don’t think enough time has passed for people to wash the bad tastes out of people’s mouths.

The mass crowd gave this franchise two times to come out the gate with a fresh start, and we were all eagerly anticipating it, and it got bungled both times. There’s no way a third attempt so soon survives disinterest.

With Shazam looking to be a breakaway hit, there’s even less pressure to get that Superman train rolling again. WB will have to live with the ripple effect Snyder caused with this character. Hopefully sitting on it will make them think long and hard over who to next give the reins to.

 

[Tg11]

I don't even think Superman needs a sequel to be honest because he is like the Bruce Banner of the DCEU; he doesn't need a film because The Hulk he had a film in 2008 and he never got a sequel. Superman...MOS doesn't need a sequel much like how The Hulk didn't need one after 2008. Superman started the DCEU so do we really even need another film? Superman could just show up in ensemble films and or cameo in other DCEU films

 

[Deck Rickard]

Well, Superman had cameo appearances in his last two films so I guess you got your wish.

 

[Manasrepublic]

I saw Captain Marvel today and it made me sad for so many missed chances for an awesome big budgeted Superman movie to feature the Man of Steel in a huge epic scene blasting Braniac’s droids and machines in a massive space battle as he’s flying to Brainiac’s ship. That so so should have been done in a Superman film by now. Sad they haven’t done this coupled with an incredible story which is comics accurate by now.

 

[Willi Berg]

I do like that DC is figuring stuff out more but I hope that Superman just doesn't become too light in an attempt to go in the other direction from the Snyder movies. That was a problem with JL. I think it suits movies like Shazam and it did well for Aquaman (although I would like Aquaman movies to be a bit more serious.) Superman can be "light" but also complex and thrilling sci-fi. It's not the same as Shazam which can afford to be mostly light and jokey. There's a lot to do with Superman, there's a lot to play with in his universe. I think he needs a filmmaker who really wants to have fun with the whole mythos and be inventive with it.

I think a problem is that if they ask directors to make their choice for a superhero property most won't automatically go to Superman. Most probably think the usual that "he's too OP" or he's "boring".

I don't think McQuarrie even necessarily has a deep attachment to the character and James Gunn seems to like more roguish characters.

I do think WB are just waiting out for some writer/director to really connect with the character which is why there is always so much waiting around and uncertainty. And when they do get someone like Bryan Singer and Zack Snyder these directors put their own spin on it and then people say, 'What the hell was that?!?" It's always a risk and rare to find someone whose take on it won't garner that reaction.

 

[unholyrevenger]

The problem is Superman IS a serious character and the "fans" seemingly forget this and only becomes "fun" when he becomes a caricature, or he has "fun" supprting cast. And before anyone responds "Nuh uh" do a simple exercise for me; off the top of your head your write down a list of your favorite and or best Superman stories. Then cross out all of the ones that aren't a lighthearted adventure that's fun for the whole family.

 

[Jekecy]

The problem is Superman IS a serious character and the "fans" seemingly forget this and only becomes "fun" when he becomes a caricature, or he has "fun" supprting cast. And before anyone responds "Nuh uh" do a simple exercise for me; off the top of your head your write down a list of your favorite and or best Superman stories. Then cross out all of the ones that aren't a lighthearted adventure that's fun for the whole family.

Why go to the books when there are numerous examples over the decades of the live-action adaptations and all their various successes/failures? The only iterations that have worked are the ones which could be considered lighthearted adventures and appropriate for all ages.