The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[SwordOfMorning]

Yeah because it's still a movie at the end of the day. Daniel Craig's Bond was also highly unrealistic if you try to really nail down the specifics but that doesn't mean it'd suddenly be a natural transition if he were to crossover with Thor. It also doesn't deny Reeves explicit intentions that he's mentioned over and over and over and over again but which fans seem to always ignore whenever it's convenient for their fan theories.

I get where you're coming from but, IMO, the mere fact he's Batman means inherently there being a Superman in his world works. Because the second you introduce the concept of a superhero for me anyways you can do virtually anything simply because the crossovers are part of the very nature of the genre. I'm not advocating Battinson in the DCU, if he was in a shared universe I'd want it to be one very different from this but I'm also biased because I love Battinson and think what Gunn is doing mostly sounds boring, but the second Batman is in a thing other heroes are inherently fine because the jump between Batman as a concept and a dude from space flying around is minimal in terms of believability to me. Batman as a concept is so ludicrous that you can just plop the grittiest Batman on Mars and it's Fine. If anything how baffling and jarring it is is part of the fun.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

The BVS script is still soooo Goyer. Lois Lane investigating the magic bullet and The White Portuguese are the most Goyer things I've ever seen.

And y'all aren't ready for the conversation for about how obvious it is that BvS was originally written for Bale.

The mixture of Goyer and Terrio's quirks is like some dark, unholy ritual. Terrio might actually be a worse writer than Goyer which is a real accomplishment.

Terrio really went out of his way to make sure everyone knew the BvS script was still very much Goyer during his fun little press tour for ZSJL trying to salvage his reputation after the Snyderverse and TROS.

 

[Invader Joker]

I get where you're coming from but, IMO, the mere fact he's Batman means inherently there being a Superman in his world works. Because the second you introduce the concept of a superhero for me anyways you can do virtually anything simply because the crossovers are part of the very nature of the genre. I'm not advocating Battinson in the DCU, if he was in a shared universe I'd want it to be one very different from this but I'm also biased because I love Battinson and think what Gunn is doing mostly sounds boring, but the second Batman is in a thing other heroes are inherently fine because the jump between Batman as a concept and a dude from space flying around is minimal in terms of believability to me. Batman as a concept is so ludicrous that you can just plop the grittiest Batman on Mars and it's Fine. If anything how baffling and jarring it is is part of the fun.

It'd have to be in the way that Matt said it'd have to be done though. Superman as yet another anomaly in a realistic world, instead of suddenly retconning this very grounded world that again, Matt has said repeatedly is supposed to be grounded and realistic, into being one where heroes exist and have existed for a long time and forget about Superman there's a dude with T-Spheres and a T-ship running around and then Hawkgirl and then the Green Lanterns and then Peacemaker with his Sonic Helmet and his neo nazi dad with a flying armor. Also Frankenstein exists and has a bride, Dr. Phosphorus exists, Circe exists.

Even stuff like the Riddler and his Batman adoration, which I thought was one of the best parts of the film, suddenly gets recontextualized a lot if Batman wasn't the only superhero but one of many. And it's a recontextualization that I do think compromises that character and that arc to an extent.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It'd have to be in the way that Matt said it'd have to be done though. Superman as yet another anomaly in a realistic world, instead of suddenly retconning this very grounded world that again, Matt has said repeatedly is supposed to be grounded and realistic, into being one where heroes exist and have existed for a long time and forget about Superman there's a dude with T-Spheres and a T-ship running around and then Hawkgirl and then the Green Lanterns and then Peacemaker with his Sonic Helmet and his neo nazi dad with a flying armor. Also Frankenstein exists and has a bride, Dr. Phosphorus exists, Circe exists.

Even stuff like the Riddler and his Batman adoration, which I thought was one of the best parts of the film, suddenly gets recontextualized a lot if Batman wasn't the only superhero but one of many. And it's a recontextualization that I do think compromises that character and that arc to an extent.

My dumb nerd brain rot fantasy was always The Batman world's Superman starting out in Morrison Action Comics mode.

 

[Eddie Dean]

This is kinda the final word on "this Batman couldn't cross over with that Superman". It's not real! You can make these characters do whatever you want!

 

[Invader Joker]

This is kinda the final word on "this Batman couldn't cross over with that Superman". It's not real! You can make these characters do whatever you want!

Bro I feel like I'm going insane because I'm just straight up saying essentially what Matt himself said about his universe. It's not even like some wild fan interpretation on something, I'm just going off the man's own words and explicit intentions with his Batman.

 

[Ultramankrypton]

I love Corenswet in the role but I gotta say, I’m not loving the suit. I like some of the ideas of it but the execution is just not giving what it’s trying to imo.

The best way I can describe it, is that the suit seems aesthetically confused. So you have this MCU-esque body suit with all the piping, paneling, and segmenting, but then you also add the trunks. It looks like this to me



The trunks only work on a simplistic, clean design. Gunn is clearly going for a retro futuristic aesthetic, so why didn’t he goes go Fleischer?

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I love Corenswet in the role but I gotta say, I’m not loving the suit. I like some of the ideas of it but the execution is just not giving what it’s trying to imo.

The best way I can describe it, is that the suit seems aesthetically confused. So you have this MCU-esque body suit with all the piping, paneling, and segmenting, but then you also add the trunks. It looks like this to me

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The trunks only work on a simplistic, clean design. Gunn is clearly going for a retro futuristic aesthetic, so why didn’t he goes go Fleischer?

It does not look like that. There is plenty about the suit I don't like but it is a bright, colourful, retro sci fi look on which the shorts are perfectly natural. He doesn't look like a soldier - he looks like Buck Rogers.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Bro I feel like I'm going insane because I'm just straight up saying essentially what Matt himself said about his universe. It's not even like some wild fan interpretation on something, I'm just going off the man's own words and explicit intentions with his Batman.

I agree that Pattinson or the Reevesverse will never cross over with this one, but it's not because they couldn't write a story where it happens. It's all behinds the scenes stuff. There's no reason they couldn't come up with a story where they do crossover, because umm... they can just write that it happens. Reeves was talking about his thought process for The Batman. I'm sure if the stars aligned and everyone agreed that Pattison would now connect to Superman, they would just do it. It's not real. James Bond is the same guy but he's played by different actors over 50 years. The original Godzilla was dark and serious, but a few movies later he has a goofy son who does pratfalls. Leonard Nimoy Spock did time travel or something and now Chris Pine is Kirk.

 

[Invader Joker]

I'm 99% sure the suit is kryptonian so I am very very very curious to see what the DCU Kryptonian culture looks like for it to be a planet where suits like this were probably commonplace.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Bro I feel like I'm going insane because I'm just straight up saying essentially what Matt himself said about his universe. It's not even like some wild fan interpretation on something, I'm just going off the man's own words and explicit intentions with his Batman.

I think people are arguing with you in a more hypothetical sense. I can almost guarantee you that not a single person engaging with you actually thinks Pattinson should be in the DCU or that Reeves would be interested in doing so. No one disagrees with what Matt's intentions are, just the concept that it wouldn't be bendable in a fairly meaningless hypothetical where he had been on board.

 

[Sawyer]

Why does he look like he sniffed a stinky fart in both of these?

Because his super-senses can smell what you’re up to over there.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I'm 99% sure the suit is kryptonian so I am very very very curious to see what the DCU Kryptonian culture looks like for it to be a planet where suits like this were probably commonplace.

I want the classic (and surprisingly consistent for like decades of comics) Jor-El costume so bad. I'm a little sad there doesn't seem to be any Krypton stuff in this movie because I ****ing love Krypton stuff. You cannot and should not do the 78/MoS structure of a huge portion of the first act taking place on Krypton again but in my heart of hearts I sorta wish it did.

 

[routhman]

The BVS script is still soooo Goyer. Lois Lane investigating the magic bullet and The White Portuguese are the most Goyer things I've ever seen.

And y'all aren't ready for the conversation for about how obvious it is that BvS was originally written for Bale.

Why for Bale?

 

[Invader Joker]

I agree that Pattinson or the Reevesverse will never cross over with this one, but it's not because they couldn't write a story where it happens. It's all behinds the scenes stuff. There's no reason they couldn't come up with a story where they do crossover, because umm... they can just write that it happens. Reeves was talking about his thought process for The Batman. I'm sure if the stars aligned and everyone agreed that Pattison would now connect to Superman, they would just do it.

I am detailing the reasons they don't want to do it. "If they wanted to they could make it work" But they don't want to because of very particular reasons. On top of Matt's explicit philosophy for his universe, Matt said it himself at the beginning of all this—it's already difficult enough for him to come up with a story for a Batman movie, it'd be more difficult for him to do that in a connected universe. Likewise, I imagine it's already difficult enough for him to nail down the story of the sequel due to how long it's taken him, it'd be more difficult if he had to also suddenly retcon his Batman existing in a world different from what he envisioned in the first film.

 

[routhman]

I get where you're coming from but, IMO, the mere fact he's Batman means inherently there being a Superman in his world works. Because the second you introduce the concept of a superhero for me anyways you can do virtually anything simply because the crossovers are part of the very nature of the genre. I'm not advocating Battinson in the DCU, if he was in a shared universe I'd want it to be one very different from this but I'm also biased because I love Battinson and think what Gunn is doing mostly sounds boring, but the second Batman is in a thing other heroes are inherently fine because the jump between Batman as a concept and a dude from space flying around is minimal in terms of believability to me. Batman as a concept is so ludicrous that you can just plop the grittiest Batman on Mars and it's Fine. If anything how baffling and jarring it is is part of the fun.

You must’ve loved Watchmen, then

 

[SwordOfMorning]

You must’ve loved Watchmen, then

Do you mean the movie or the comic lol. The comic is one of my favourite pieces of media ever and I'm a giant fan of the HBO show. Movie is trashfire.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Why for Bale?

There's just a lot of vestigial stuff you can see hanging. The whole older Batman who's basically done everything before and just has Alfred left, no Wayne Manor, him encountering someone like Superman for the first time. Even the opening feels like it needs to be a big character like Lucius Fox that dies, instead of just some rando.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Both BvS and The Flash clearly wanted Bale bad. BvS was so desperate for the TDK links they even considered JGL Batman, I believe.

 

[Ultramankrypton]

I'm 99% sure the suit is kryptonian so I am very very very curious to see what the DCU Kryptonian culture looks like for it to be a planet where suits like this were probably commonplace.

There’s no way that suit is Kryptonian it looks wayyy too earthbound to be alien. And it also looks kinda… Cheap? Which I assume is the point

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Everything about the suit screams "THIS IS A SPACEMAN FROM SPACE SUIT" so IDK where you're getting Earthbound from.

 

[Captain Tired]

Everyone arguing over the origin of the suit.

I'll laugh my head off if it's just unexplained.

 

[Ultramankrypton]

Everything about the suit screams "THIS IS A SPACEMAN FROM SPACE SUIT" so IDK where you're getting Earthbound from.

, I’m not a fan of the design itself, but it looks like a custom motorcycle jacket, nothing alien about it bro.

If the intention was for this to be from space, then it’d look like Snyder’s suit, which *actually* looked alien.

 

[Boom]

nothing alien about it bro.

which *actually* looked alien.

Mmmk, says who?

 

[Invader Joker]

, I’m not a fan of the design itself, but it looks like a custom motorcycle jacket, nothing alien about it bro.

If the intention was for this to be from space, then it’d look like Snyder’s suit, which *actually* looked alien.

We don't know how aliens look so aliens can look like anything. But I doubt that Gunn would've gone through the trouble of adding all those weird lines and patterns which are waaay too specific and odd looking for them to not be representative of some sort of alien culture, as well as the collar and the sleeves, and the symbol, all of which to me also scream it's supposed to be a suit from some other culture. Hell, if I had to guess the way the trunks are gonna be justified is "That's just how people on Krypton dressed".

It's also very very much not meant to be a "custom motorcycle jacket" lol