The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - - Part 11

[The Caped Knight]

I guess Jay regained his speed .

 

[Web-Head]

 

[Dark Raven]

3 episodes to wrap up the story? I wouldn't have minded it was wrapped up in the first episode like the fake Bruce Wayne storyline in Batwoman.

 

[The Caped Knight]

So only 18 episodes for season 7, 3 episodes featuring the Mirror Mistress ugh. Huh so Godspeed isn't the Big Bad of the season only part way.

 

[flickchick85]

So basically tune into episode 4 for the real premiere if you’re over this storyline, lol.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Charmed did the same thing. Should've spoke to TheCW "Hey, give us a 2hr premiere to wrap up S6" but NOPE

 

[Pennywise]

The Flash Showrunner: This is the Season Barry Has to Start Growing Into His Legend

 

[Primal Slayer]

If only they could've downsized the cast. Barry/Iris/Cisco/Caitlin/Joe/Cecil....only Team Flash peeps we need.

 

[Web-Head]

So basically tune into episode 4 for the real premiere if you’re over this storyline, lol.

I still think they should have just said this is a continuation of season 6 and had season 7 start fresh. It won't make sense with the blu-ray sets either.

 

[Ninjablade]

Didn't realize this season was going to be that short. I don't mind if it can help improve the quality elsewhere.

 

[Arrow1987]

Is Flash's speed back for good now or is his speed temporary.

 

[legendkillin]

Is Flash's speed back for good now or is his speed temporary.

Considering the real speed force was killed off last season or the season before, I think this one is temporary. They referred to it as artificial so they still need to work on getting the real thing I think.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[flashpo1nt]

This doesn't make any sense, however you look at it.

There were speedsters (Jay Garrick) before Barry Allen, and there are speedsters after Barry Allen too, so his life and death can't be tied to the speedforce too much. If it's directly connected to time, then his mere existence in a small portion of time would be all that was needed, and yet we know this isn't the case - seemingly.

Thawne is an odd one, as he has his vendetta against Barry, and he's had amply opportunities to kill him (both in comic, and in this series), yet doesn't. He likes to toy with Barry and make his life as miserable as he can, but I've yet to get the impression that Thawne actually wants to kill Barry. It's odd.

the speed force is not bound by time therefore even though there were speedsters before barry and not in his timeline barry getting speed was a catalyst for the others having it....the speed force has no restraints on time so its like a loop effect, barry gets speed and therefore generates the speed force for all others granted with the ability.

It's like thawne needing barry to get his speed earlier than the original way in season 1 so that he could get his speed back, that makes no sense either based on your reply but if you take away the idea that the speed force is bound by time then it makes total sense.

 

[Pennywise]

'The Flash' boss unpacks [SPOILER]'s fate and shares 7 more teases for season 7

 

[Flash525]

the speed force is not bound by time therefore even though there were speedsters before barry and not in his timeline barry getting speed was a catalyst for the others having it....the speed force has no restraints on time so its like a loop effect, barry gets speed and therefore generates the speed force for all others granted with the ability.

This still doesn't make sense though, because if the speed force exists outside time itself, then it always exists or it never does.

The mere fact that Barry could access it, or was the catalyst for it is inconsequential. If the speed force exists outside of time, then speedsters of past and future should still have their speed, as should Wally and Barry.

 

[flashpo1nt]

This still doesn't make sense though, because if the speed force exists outside time itself, then it always exists or it never does.

The mere fact that Barry could access it, or was the catalyst for it is inconsequential. If the speed force exists outside of time, then speedsters of past and future should still have their speed, as should Wally and Barry.

not if the speed force is dormant or if barry put it in that state unknowingly simply based on his actions from crisis or maybe from when the monitor gave him his full potential, maybe that triggered something inside him that was or wasn't suppose to happen at this point.

also chill out with saying it doesn't make sense, it's based from a friggen comic book, it's not reality....alot of shows on tv never make any sense but there still fun to watch.

basically my point really is that if the writers keep the speed force as an AI version basically a glorified battery I'll stop watching it. Changing the speed force that drastically would be a garbage move on the writers part and would be a stupid thing to do, when there's 100's of ways they could come up with a story to bring back the original speed force.

 

[Flash525]

also chill out with saying it doesn't make sense, it's based from a friggen comic book, it's not reality....alot of shows on tv never make any sense but there still fun to watch.

I'm chilled. Believe me. I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies surrounding the speed force, and the speedsters that exist because of it.

The comics may be one thing, but they're constantly changing and the show (all shows) adapt and evolve around that.

The speed force, as you continuously state is time displaced. On that basis alone, speedsters simply shouldn't lose or gain speed. They should either have it, or shouldn't.

my point really is that if the writers keep the speed force as an AI version basically a glorified battery I'll stop watching it. Changing the speed force that drastically would be a garbage move on the writers part and would be a stupid thing to do, when there's 100's of ways they could come up with a story to bring back the original speed force.

On this, we agree, although I won't stop watching because of it.

Poorer writing than a speed force readjustment has taken place I N this show already, and yet here we are, still watching it.

 

[Gu3ree]

Should I keep watching?

Anyways last I watched Flash was all the episodes leading up to Crisis. I had stopped watching during the fifth season. The plot wasn't bad, but it wasn't that fresh in terms of story-telling. Yet another villain twist...the daughter Cicada being the actual villain. (Meh) That aside, I thought Nora Allen was super-naïve just for the sake of the plot. But everything leading up to this point, I feel like we've seen so much of Flash running on top of buildings and jumping of rooftops, which I did enjoy but now...well, is there anything new?

Generally I've never cared for Cisco or Caitlin. Caitlin is a dull character for me. Cisco started out as the most superficially geeky character ever written. Then in the later seasons, he started acting like a drama queen for the sake of drama, and I got annoyed by it. I genuinely liked Harrison Wells, and just SOME of his doppelgangers, but most of them were absurdly ridiculous to me, and I couldn't bare to watch those scenes involving the over-the-top Harrison Wells characters.

But nevertheless, I was getting excited about season 6 coming to Netflix in Japan--just because I would have something to watch, even if I somewhat lost interest in watching. That was until 'Superman & Lois' aired, which I'm a little more excited about. I'm not currently excited about The Flash at the moment.

I thought Bloodwork was somewhat interesting and slightly refreshing as a villain, but ultimately not a great villain. No one has topped Savitar at least for me. (Still, that being one of the problems in the series, that being using too many speedster villains)

My memory is hazy on season 6, as I haven't checked in watching after Crisis aired as I got busy, but if I recall, in season 6 at some point...(but why again??) Barry started slowly losing his speed...again? Isn't that the third time? For real? I don't know how many times we have to see Barry lose his powers again.

But if there's anything worth checking out for the rest of season 6 and currently (season 7)...let me know if you guys think.

 

[Web-Head]

Should I keep watching?

Anyways last I watched Flash was all the episodes leading up to Crisis. I had stopped watching during the fifth season. The plot wasn't bad, but it wasn't that fresh in terms of story-telling. Yet another villain twist...the daughter Cicada being the actual villain. (Meh) That aside, I thought Nora Allen was super-naïve just for the sake of the plot. But everything leading up to this point, I feel like we've seen so much of Flash running on top of buildings and jumping of rooftops, which I did enjoy but now...well, is there anything new?

Generally I've never cared for Cisco or Caitlin. Caitlin is a dull character for me. Cisco started out as the most superficially geeky character ever written. Then in the later seasons, he started acting like a drama queen for the sake of drama, and I got annoyed by it. I genuinely liked Harrison Wells, and just SOME of his doppelgangers, but most of them were absurdly ridiculous to me, and I couldn't bare to watch those scenes involving the over-the-top Harrison Wells characters.

But nevertheless, I was getting excited about season 6 coming to Netflix in Japan--just because I would have something to watch, even if I somewhat lost interest in watching. That was until 'Superman & Lois' aired, which I'm a little more excited about. I'm not currently excited about The Flash at the moment.

I thought Bloodwork was somewhat interesting and slightly refreshing as a villain, but ultimately not a great villain. No one has topped Savitar at least for me. (Still, that being one of the problems in the series, that being using too many speedster villains)

My memory is hazy on season 6, as I haven't checked in watching after Crisis aired as I got busy, but if I recall, in season 6 at some point...(but why again??) Barry started slowly losing his speed...again? Isn't that the third time? For real? I don't know how many times we have to see Barry lose his powers again.

But if there's anything worth checking out for the rest of season 6 and currently (season 7)...let me know if you guys think.

It's up to you. If you weren't enjoying the show anymore, I can't say I'd recommend jumping back in, but I did think season 6 was an improvement over seasons 4 and 5. The premiere really wasn't that great since they still have to wrap up last seasons storyline before really getting into season 7 and if you didn't like Caitlin or Cisco, you might be in luck since they're giving more focus on other side characters like Allegra, Chester and Cecile.

 

[Gu3ree]

It's up to you. If you weren't enjoying the show anymore, I can't say I'd recommend jumping back in, but I did think season 6 was an improvement over seasons 4 and 5. The premiere really wasn't that great since they still have to wrap up last seasons storyline before really getting into season 7 and if you didn't like Caitlin or Cisco, you might be in luck since they're giving more focus on other side characters like Allegra, Chester and Cecile.

After seeing a clip from the season 7 premiere, Flash getting his speed back and running and jumping off rooftops...well, doesn't look like anything new.

I heard when Flash got postponed because of covid, season 6 ended earlier, and their original plan was to end the finale with a cliffhanger involving Reverse-Flash. I do love the Reverse-Flash. As for Zoom and Savitar, they were good but basically like Reverse-Flash. Very redundant. Zoom's plot was exactly the same as Reverse-Flash's plan. Steal Barry's speed...that was a big mistake. Savitar, while different was basically like an Injustice Superman...or Injustice Barry...except I remember that version of Barry Allen being good.

After season 6 of Arrow, it got pretty boring. A good start, and a few episodes with Deathstroke were pretty good. But the villain twist was super weak. They made out Cayden James (I can't believe I even remember the name) to be the main baddie. You could see the writers were struggling. Then that changed into Ricardo Diaz. Worst villain Arrow ever had. How do you top Adrian Chase? They went from Dark Archer to Deathstroke to Ras Al Ghul to Damian Darhk to Adrian Chase to...Ricardo Diaz? They tried making him out to be a worthy opponent. I think that's why they didn't kill him off in the season 6 finale.

I watched the whole series of Arrow, but I don't even remember the main villain of season 7 or 8. I did get preoccupied with my studies at the time, but couldn't focus on the plot of S7 or 8.

These shows should stop running after 5 seasons, otherwise people will get bored.

 

[flickchick85]

The general rule is, they stop when enough people get bored, lol. They keep going 'til people stop watching.

 

[Lantern Venom]

The general rule is, they stop when enough people get bored, lol. They keep going 'til people stop watching.

As of the end of 2020, CW had two shows that regularly drew a million viewers or more. One of them was Supernatural, and that's gone now. It remains to be seen if Superman & Lois and Walker can keep their audiences (I certainly hope so in Supes case), but CW will milk Flash for as long as they can. They've been marketing themselves as the home of the Flash for years, so until they get something that can equal or surpass it, Flash is staying, and that's just fine by me.

 

[flashpo1nt]

I'm chilled. Believe me. I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies surrounding the speed force, and the speedsters that exist because of it.

The comics may be one thing, but they're constantly changing and the show (all shows) adapt and evolve around that.

The speed force, as you continuously state is time displaced. On that basis alone, speedsters simply shouldn't lose or gain speed. They should either have it, or shouldn't.

On this, we agree, although I won't stop watching because of it.

Poorer writing than a speed force readjustment has taken place I N this show already, and yet here we are, still watching it.

i enjoyed reading your reply back, this is an example of two fans that can agree to disagree and still be nice and respectful to each other.

You are right though, none of the comic book tv shows really follow the comics, they all have there own twist or change while still staying true to the comics.....smallville, supergirl, the flash they all are different from the comics.

I think the writers are intelligent enough that they won't leave the speed force as an AI version, I'm sure we'll get the real deal at some point.

 

[Flash525]

I think the writers are intelligent enough that they won't leave the speed force as an AI version, I'm sure we'll get the real deal at some point.

To be fair, they've thrown us some nice twists and turns throughout the show, even if some of those have been speculated before the reveal (like Barry being Savitar and Wells being Thawne etc), but sometimes, with some episodes, I really do wonder...

That said, it's gotta' be difficult writing for 20+ episodes of 45(ish) minutes per year, to tell a story, partially follow the comics and keep people invested. Credit to them on that; I couldn't do it.