The Flash The Flash season 3 episode 7 - "Killer Frost"

[Batsfan1]

This isn't a mistake. He made the mistake in S1 trying to save his mom and getting told NO by his future self. Now yet another person is dead because of his decision. They will still support Barry but they have every right to scold him till he is blue in the face.

Cisco isn't completely out of line, but Caitlin has no right.

It sucks that Barry lost both his parents but now he has caused others to lose their family members because he couldn't deal and tried to take the easy way out. He erased Sara Diggle from the timeline and who knows what else. He didn't think about anyone but himself.

That's no different than Cisco wanting Barry to change things even after being told about the possible negative consequences or all of what Caitlin was doing tonight, all with full knowledge of the consequences. They have no right to judge Barry for making a mistake when he didn't understand that there would negative consequences, when they know and don't care or are trying to murder people, attack their friends and hurt them to and only generally think about nothing but themselves, only without Barry's conscience. They're being hypocrites. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

 

[Wildcard]

^ Bingo. Their constant ragging on Barry is hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[Thome216]

Sure, Barry messed up majorly...but it's unfair how everybody keeps dumping on him.

Not really. For Barry this is all done and done - at least until someone brings it up again and mentions something that Barry didn't tell them, thus keeping the wounds open. The only way to have gotten around it would have been for him to tell them everything from Flashpoint - like ripping off a band-aid.

Instead it's just a long, slow tear...

And that means them forgiving him is going to take time. This shouldn't be handled in one or two episodes, but it should be season long.

And Kevin Smith is the bomb! (not only Cisco thinks saying that is cool..) He really draws out the emotions in the scenes. It's always a plus when he is behind the lens!

Julian, I could definitely see doing as he did. He never wanted Barry around because he thinks Barry isn't dedicated enough. It makes him a d**k, but then he's been one from the start anyway. And Joe is right, as Barry is a hero once again by sacrificing the job he loves for his friends.

But Julian is also working for Savitar as Alchemy... So he's not so dedicated to law and order himself! He also seemed to not want to do it. His initial reaction to hearing Savitar in his head was to run, so it seems to be something he can't control in himself.

I wonder if his being entangled with Savitar had to do with the feelings of inadequacy he spoke of before with Barry? He was trying to make a separate life for himself away from his blue blood family, then the metas came along and ruined that. It's possible his need to make something of himself turned into that something that Savitar then turned to his own use.

As for Joe, you have to admit, when the scientist you trust is telling you not to get your son out of the weird cocoon, then apparently goes crazy, your fatherly instincts to protect your child might overrule what the looney says...

^ Bingo. Their constant ragging on Barry is hypocrisy at its finest.

They're in pain. Cisco is grieving and Caitlyn feels like she is losing herself to something that terrifies her. These story arcs need to be drawn out in order to have their full effect and not just feel like a plot device used in only one episode. They haven't forgiven him yet, but that they are willing to do so eventually is all Barry should expect just now.

We all knew that Flashpoint was something that was going to be felt throughout the season, and here it is.

 

[zenith16]

But Julian is also working for Savitar as Alchemy... So he's not so dedicated to law and order himself! He also seemed to not want to do it. His initial reaction to hearing Savitar in his head was to run, so it seems to be something he can't control in himself.

and that right there is what make Julian the worse person, that right there. even though he's doing this out of fear of savitar. It's that he's doing it at all and saying that to barry and what he's doing is worse. yeah he's being forced fear wise. but he's still making things worse for others and escalating things for other victim's of savitars plan. D Bag.

 

[Gaultheria]

a good lot of us saw it from the star and stated he was too obvious. and left it at that. and other were hoping he wouldn't be. but alot of use knew all along. as I said he was too obvious.

I wonder if the Julian/Alchemy mystery hasn't been misdirection, to draw our attention away from someone else. As an ambitious, goofy writer, H.R. isn't a powerful player, but as The Drummer from Planetary...

 

[zenith16]

I wonder if the Julian/Alchemy mystery hasn't been misdirection, to draw our attention away from someone else. As an ambitious, goofy writer, H.R. isn't a powerful player, but as The Drummer from Planetary...

lol that will be the weirdest throw off . and it'll be hard for alot of people to buy how t he got Caitlin and scisco to allow him inthe lab cause some how he knew they'd be looking for another version of wells to work with.

lol I can see it now from ton from the fan base what ????? Com on...!

that would imply savitar or the real Alchemy if it's not Julian had some kinda of surveillance device in the lab . which cause the fan base to buy it. it'll be hilarious though.

We already have enough of that with zoom last year with that weird convoluted plan for the multiverse and have team flash be the start of it all .

would the writers of the show risk that all again?

 

[Primal Slayer]

Cisco isn't completely out of line, but Caitlin has no right.
That's no different than Cisco wanting Barry to change things even after being told about the possible negative consequences or all of what Caitlin was doing tonight, all with full knowledge of the consequences. They have no right to judge Barry for making a mistake when he didn't understand that there would negative consequences, when they know and don't care or are trying to murder people, attack their friends and hurt them to and only generally think about nothing but themselves, only without Barry's conscience. They're being hypocrites. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

He has been told COUNTLESS times not to mess with the timeline. Jay told him about it like an episode earlier! AND his FUTURE self told him not to. But Barry is only ok with changing things to save his family but when it comes to someone else that is when he grows a brain. Cisco didn't even know his brother was dead because of time travel, something that Barry did and did not think of anyone but himself.

Barry didn't come completely clean with everyone and that is his problem. Killed his bffs brother, made his other bff into a potential killer, erased a child, damaged a father/daughter relationship, until the others have done the same they are far from hypocrites.





All the way back in S1, Barry was told saving his mother could cause other deaths and not to change the timeline.

 

[zenith16]

He has been told COUNTLESS times not to mess with the timeline. Jay told him about it like an episode earlier! AND his FUTURE self told him not to. But Barry is only ok with changing things to save his family but when it comes to someone else that is when he grows a brain. Cisco didn't even know his brother was dead because of time travel, something that Barry did and did not think of anyone but himself.

Barry didn't come completely clean with everyone and that is his problem. Killed his bffs brother, made his other bff into a potential killer, erased a child, damaged a father/daughter relationship, until the others have done the same they are far from hypocrites.

well guess with the warnings of what time travel does it was you have see it to belive it cause there certain people that don't relive things unless it happening right in front of them . Sadly Barry needed to experience instead of going by hear say cause some else told him. .


and I agree with you Thome216 barry should have told them every thing . as he stated last week they also told they didn't want to know every when he first told them all about flash point. while I want to say he still should have told them what would happen if they6 chose to be stubborn like him self in not listening to the warnings of not messing with time travel and they (or some of them) start to leave the room ,as he told them what went down in flash point?

yeah I would have told them about flash point if it was me. but when you have some that doesn't want to listen.....

and all that regardless he'd still get blamed. so Barry's best chose was not to have messed with time at all. But he did . He's living with the consequences


he was warned it's up to him to listen and face the results of not listening.

 

[Justin]

Very enjoyable episode. The Alchemy reveal was a little too obvious though.. as in so obvious that the surprise would have been if it was someone else.

I was also hoping that Julian would be what you see is what you get. I think that would have been a more interesting arc for him.

But still, good episode.

 

[jaqua99]

I always disliked Kaitlyn.. thought she was a bit selfish, irrational, but especially now. Maybe it's part of the villain role, but damm, they don't make you feel for her. Her entire "victim" stance is one self created..like Anakin Skywalker, except he IS tragic. Her entire descent into madness is out of pure irrational delusion..she's been irrational through out the show, but I really doubt they wrote her character psychodynamically; descending into delusion.

If they did, great. But any catalyst for her descend isn't something that makes me feel for her.

Cisco, and her are weak. They both blame Barry. He unintentionally created Flashpoint for his parents. His parents who were both Killed BEFORE him.. if ANYONE is a victim, it's Barry.

Unless the entire point of this new timeline is to force Kaitlyn and Cisco into villainous roles, their character's psychologies are getting destroyed by irrational bitterness and a lack of emotional intelligence inconsistent with the established personalities.

Barry makes mistakes, and gets tunnel vision and doesn't listen to advice about timelines but Barry doesn't get bitter, nor does he externalize onto ones he loves, and he takes responsibility for his emotions. Something Kaitlyn has NEVER done, dont know about Cisco

Barry has love, and hope, and that doesn't get clouded, something Cisco and Kaitlyn don't experience like he does. I saw the argument earlier, but the two of them are a bit of hypocrites. Barry is the true tragic character who makes mistakes and messes with lives, but his love, hope, and responsibility does not waver and he remains emotionally strong and self aware. The other two are externalizing onto Barry, and displacing their own personal power. This sort of behavior makes it difficult to deal with emotional trouble as they cannoy properly process emotions

I can't tell if it's bad writing by trying to make you pitty Cisco and Kaitlyn, or some weird higher power in the show making them become villainous.
I guess the show is great, since it's making me apply my career to it lol

 

[Paradox1]

Favorite episode of the season so far. I like Killer Frost more than I like Caitlin Snow. I hope she stays this kinda wildcard character whose more of a antihero

 

[Batsfan1]

He has been told COUNTLESS times not to mess with the timeline. Jay told him about it like an episode earlier!

This season after he'd already change things. He was told before by a psychopath. Not anyone with experience who could be trusted. And every change he'd ever made had only yielded good things. Not to mention that Barry changing the timeline was him trying to put things back to the way they should be.

AND his FUTURE self told him not to.

That's amusing considering Future Barry was then allowing the timeline to be changed.

But Barry is only ok with changing things to save his family but when it comes to someone else that is when he grows a brain.

That's false. Barry was very willing to change things back to save Wally and tried to change things again after he discovered what the consequences of his actions when he was pulled out by Jay and told why that wouldn't work.

Cisco didn't even know his brother was dead because of time travel, something that Barry did and did not think of anyone but himself.

And Cisco wasn't thinking of anyone but himself when he was told that consequences would come and basically said he didn't care. And Caitlin wasn't thinking of anyone but herself tonight.

Barry didn't come completely clean with everyone and that is his problem. Killed his bffs brother, made his other bff into a potential killer, erased a child, damaged a father/daughter relationship, until the others have done the same they are far from hypocrites.

That's completely false. Caitlin was trying to murder people this episode. She did that knowingly. Barry didn't make her into anything. She chose that. Barry didn't do anything to Cisco's brother. Someone else did in the timeline that he helped create. No one, but those who chose to damage their relationships are responsible for that damage. The erased child is totally on Barry. And Barry asked them if they wanted to know. They all said they didn't.

All the way back in S1, Barry was told saving his mother could cause other deaths and not to change the timeline.

And no one cared then. They have no right to care now that it's effected them. They would've done exactly the same and worse in desperation.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Wow solid episode, another great directed episode by Kevin Smith.

Top shout out to Danielle Panabaker as Killer Frost, she definitely grown up as an actress and this was one of her best.

Barry is starting to see the catalytic of Flashpoint and it seems that we've just touch on the real damage.

Called it on Dr. Alchemy identity … I'm curious to see where their going with this

Savitar aka Megatron, they step up the effects of speed that tops both Reverse Flash & Zoom!

So Wally is a speedster, question is how far before Kid Flash

Iris seems to have more prominence in her role with Barry, much like Lois is Clark's lighting rod that keeps him grounded.

Vibe vs. Frost was a nice tease, looking for seeing the vibe coming to pass full on fight.

 

[Loki882]

-FINALLY, someone calls Barry out on his selfishness, and WOW was Caitlin's little speech to him (no pun intended) ice cold. It's a pity that they kind of crap on it a bit by then having Barry and co lock her up in their morally dubious private prison.

-Julian, was not totally wrong about Barry and his morals.

-The reveal of Dr. Alchemy was, predictable. But we'll see where it goes.

-I kind of hope that they'll got the "Caitlin tries to be hero to, but has to work hard to not kill people with her incredibly lethal powers." That'd be more interesting than just making her a full-on villain imo.

 

[Lencho01]

Not sure why, but half way through, I was ready for the episode to end.

Didn't like how dumb they made Joe in this episode.

Was really hoping Julian wasn't Alchemy. Actually, I was hoping we never found out who Alchemy was. Same with Savitar (if they plan to reveal him too).

 

[Lighthouse]

Barry deserved all that was said to him.

 

[zenith16]

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Kevin Smith Included Frozen Easter Egg In Killer Frost Flash Episode

Team Flash is going to have its hands full tonight with Caitlin's emerging Killer Frost powers and identity. While that isn't a laughing matter, the nature of her powers do lend themselves to a lighthearted reference to a fan favorite Disney franchise.




In his recent Facebook Live, director Kevin Smith answered a myriad of questions about his upcoming The Flash episode as well possible gigs with the other CW DC shows. When asked if he put any Frozen reference into "Killer Frost, Smith told fans to keep their eyes open.




"C'mon sir, what kind of hack comedian do you think I am? YES! Of course, we did. The whole episode's called Killer Frost. At one point, look for the in-joke. I'm not going to spoil it here but look for the hidden in-joke, not even an in-joke, look for the hidden reference, look for the Frozen joke there you go. When Caitlin takes Julian Albert hostage, its fast, and you gotta look close, blink and you'll miss it. It's an establishing shot of the Frozen food place, but when you see it, you'll know that we were thinking about you and that exact question."




It would be a pipe dream most likely to think that Olaf would make an appearance, but who knows right? Anything can happen in the DC Universe, even a sunlight-loving snowman.




The "Killer Frost" episode of The Flash airs on The CW tonight.
READ MORE ABOUT THE FLASH "KILLER FROST" - The Flash Director Kevin Smith Says We Will See Savitar's Powers In Killer Frost / Kevin Smith Wants To Direct Arrow, Legends, Riverdale, and Gotham / Kevin Smith Talks About Directing Flash Movie / Kevin Smith Says What The Flash Really Did To The Timeline Will Blow People's Minds / How The Flash Prepared Kevin Smith To Direct Supergirl

source: http://comicbook.com/

 

[Loki882]

Well Caitlin was basically Elsa (if a bit darker) in these episode anyway. So if anything, I'd say that the reference was pretty darn blatant.

 

[Gu3ree]

Damn. Great episode. So many thoughts.

I think I mean "great" though in a literal sense-good and bad, or not good or bad, but great.

Amazing how many arcs they featured in one episode, consequently, it almost made me forget about Savitar. Tuning in for tonight's episode, I was more anticipated for Killer Frost than anything else. We had the issue with Wally, Cisco hating Barry again, and Caitlin becoming Killer Frost.

Starting off with facing off Savitar though made me concerned and thinking-well how are they making this episode about Killer Frost, when Caitlin turns evil?

Throughout this whole episode, I was trying to figure out what triggers Caitlin's inner demon, or is she actually just sane?

I felt like I would have been more for Caitlin actually turning bad psychologically, rather than her meta ability causing her evil condition.

Draco Malfoy-I mean Tom Felton does a great job portraying Julian. There is always an interesting twist played every time we see Barry and Julian confronting each other. First you think, they're going to be friends, but no, Julian still completely hates this guy.

What if Flashpoint could be somewhat resolved due to Alchemy being able to change fate?

Savitar though, I have mixed feeling about the character. On the one hand, I think he's cool. The only issues I have with him is that he's another speedster-while I also like it, I've had a problem with every season's main villain having to be a speedster.

Season 2's Zoom was redundant. The problem I think with the series is, the producers and writers seem to think that the main villain can only be a speedster and someone who is faster than Barry. But if season 3 is going to be another plot about how Barry has to get 'fast enough' to beat Savitar by the end of the season, then that might disappoint.

But does that mean season 4's main villain is going to be another speedster who is even faster than Savitar? I thought Reverse-Flash couldn't be topped. This is the problem I have though. Every new speedster has to be faster than the previous one. Give us a new villain that's not a speedster. I hope to see more of Mirror Master.

Now I like the concept of someone who is unbelievably fast and near-invincible, like the Reverse-Flash. But once they get another speedster by making him faster than the other, it makes the whole point of Reverse-Flash meaningless. When the point was, he was the fastest man alive. But when they did Zoom, it just makes Reverse-Flash look slow.

Furthermore, I think there should be limits. You can only travel so fast before killing yourself. My point being, they make them so fast, how fast do they need to make them?

So this Savitar is supposedly so fast, he can take you through light years away, into other dimensions. Okay, but nothing should top a Speed God, period.

I think the look is cool, at the same time though, ridiculous. He looks machine-like and what's most notable is his size. Mixed about that. But I'm open and still interested in this speedster, as long as this season keeps the villain's main plot refreshing and different from the first 2 seasons, then I'm good.

Both of the first two seasons ended with Barry trying to 'catch' the Reverse-Flashes. Both of them wanted to be better and faster than Barry, and be the fastest.

Shouldn't be a problem with Savitar. He's a speed god. I hope he wants something different.

Back to Killer Frost. I liked how everything played out, even though it wasn't how I expected it to. I wanted to see Caitlin actually become a villain. Much in the way of how Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader. Would have been a refreshing take. Not everyone has to stay good on the show.

Still, is her ability to kill part of her instinct, or are her powers just trying to control her? I don't like the outcome. I wanted to see her tragically turn over her friends and actually try killing them.

7.5 out of 10.

 

[Loki882]

Personally, I think that Alchemy being the season's main villain would have been more interesting. He's creepy, has a good voice, and cool look, seems threatening, and he's not just another speedster either.

If season 4 has say, Grodd, as the main villain, then I'll be satisfied.

Personally, I hate the idea of making Caitlin a villain myself. I loathe predestination plot-lines and it plays into that unfortunate genre trope of "getting powers makes you crazy/evil" which sadly seems to happen to female characters far more than to male ones. Also female heroes are still something or a rarity in the CW-verse, so a heroic (albeit flawed) KF seems far more interesting to me.

 

[vantheman77]

Supergirl gets beaten by Cyborg Superman and Flash gets beaten by Savitar. Not a great week for the heroes.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I wonder if they cut a scene? We saw a pic of Caitlin in full Killer get up

 

[The Shape]

What a lame Alchemy reveal. They did exactly what I was hoping they wouldn't do.

This season has been a let-down so far.

 

[WeatherWizard99]

guys, alchemy may not be julian

entertainment weekly said we would find out who alchemy is on the mid-season finale

they also said savitar would appear on episodes 6 and 7 and they were right about that

this week´s ending might be a red herring

 

[NotNickFury]

Side-note, if next week is the crossover, I'm guessing that Barry and Cisco either have their differences settled by then or push them to the side? Since they both go to get Kara from National City, anyway.