The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 8

[justanotherguy]

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/53956399/marvel--kills-the-cast-of-new-fantastic-four-reboot/


Some good stuff in this thread from a very popular local website.(LSU/Baton Rouge based)

After the crap Trank pulled in Baton Rouge, i doubt he ever directs a studio picture again. He will certainly never work for Fox. At this point that F4 reboot might never get released.

 

[fangz]

Marvel could get back X-Men/FF/Spider-Man probably in 20 years or so.

1. live action vs animation
2. the future of theatrical releases

Marvel needs to start setting precedents in animated DVD/Netflix movies of live actors being mocapped. And they need to look animated, so there's no question about what the product is.

Once you have this established, that capturing an actor's performance and transforming it digitally into a movie is very much also the domain of 'animated movies'. establish precedent that movies like Avengers, featuring Hulk, are 'live action' productions that feature 'animated' characters. like Hulk.

so a production of entirely 'animated' characters would be an 'animated movie'.
and you do that becuz you know that in 20 years or so, the technology for this is gonna be at a level where you could use mocap CGI to have a person play another person. this would end much of the problems with recasting, you would have a Tony Stark skin and every actor playing him would be rendered into the movie looking like Tony Stark. so that's in the future, but you start laying groundwork for it now so that this type of film making can legitimately be argued in court as being an 'animated movie.'

you start looking at models for how films are gonna be shown outside of 'theatrical release'. like Marvel would start looking at things like Netflix, or I don't even have any idea what, but whatever might be able to make money outside of a movie in a theater. and especially with an eye towards the future, and how theaters might actually start to be phased out of things. big blockbusters will probably still be showing in theaters in 20 years, but you look for where movies that are not at that level might start ending up.

see? so it's an animated movie, and it's not in theaters. they could make X-Men, Spider-Man, everything they want to and if they were sued, they'd have a pretty good case for it.
they can make animated movies now featuring X-Men and put them on Netflix, right?
or at least for sure, we know cartoons they can. so it'd be exactly the same thing.
in 20 or 30 years, Marvel will totally be putting out their own X-Men and FF movies no matter what Fox does with their theatrical releases.

 

[Dark Raven]

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/53956399/marvel--kills-the-cast-of-new-fantastic-four-reboot/


Some good stuff in this thread from a very popular local website.

What are they talking about in this thread:

A buddy of mine was on the crew. Trank showed up to set late or so high he couldn't speak almost everyday. Some days he didn't show up at all. He treated crew terribly. He trashed the house the production company rented for him. From what I'm told he did a couple hundred grand worth of damage.

Is that true about Trank? Where would they get this info from? Sure, I'd like to believe it is true but unless there is actual evidence it just sounds like wishful thinking. Even if that did happen though, Fox would probably still want to release the film just to hold onto the rights.

 

[Eddie]

There were rumors of Kate Mara having problems with Trank on set. Also, there was all the weirdness with Trank mocking fans and deleting his Twitter account. Personally, I believe the reports that Fox was looking to replace him last minute as well. This isn't the first time we've heard rumors that Trank was a problem, but until it's proven we should take it with the proverbial grain of salt. Still, though, if anyone knows anything I think they should come forward (anonymously if they need to).

 

[the gael]

What are they talking about in this thread:



Is that true about Trank? Where would they get this info from? Sure, I'd like to believe it is true but unless there is actual evidence it just sounds like wishful thinking. Even if that did happen though, Fox would probably still want to release the film just to hold onto the rights.

Well, whereas we know for sure that Josh Trank is a big prick with a very high esteem of himself, I wouldn't believe to much in the rest. I can see him being a diva (I believe he is probably this kind of guy), but him being unprofessional to the point of being late on set, etc... I don't know.

I want some proof. (And if the guy has connexion to the production, it would be interesting to know what happened behind the curtain and what is the true script / synopsis)

 

[Whiskey Tango]

A buddy of mine was on the crew. Trank showed up to set late or so high he couldn't speak almost everyday. Some days he didn't show up at all. He treated crew terribly. He trashed the house the production company rented for him. From what I'm told he did a couple hundred grand worth of damage.

Hrmmmmm...

 

[Orba]

If its true its the sort of thing that can kill a career quick, Trank is a foundfootage director with one reasonably successful film behind him, he hasn't been around long enough or built up a string of successes for that sort of thing to be completely ignored if true. Hollywood has always shown an amazing ability to look the other way but its always been the case where the more successful you are the more willing Hollywood is willing to turn a blind eye. As other have said its just rumour but if true its the sort of thing that can damage future job opportunities, which is not good when he is supposed to be part of Disney's Star Wars line-up.

 

[Farren]

I'm skeptical that a studio would maintain a noob director on a moderate to large production who was showing up to the set so high he couldn't function (when he was showing up at all).

But then again, given Fox's defensive posture about this production from the start, I suppose I could see them going along with it in order to hide the fact that there were any problems on set.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

This production was so secretive they could have replaced Tranq within the first two weeks and we might not know anything about it.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

I would like to think this rumor is true, but I don't see that being the case.

 

[Docker2.0]

Has anyone seen any interviews with Kate Mara? She says in so many words that the movie production sucked and she doesn't think it will be good. She really doesn't say anything positive at all. Matter of fact, the only person who seems to say anything positive about it is Jordan. Teller knows he's hated for it, Trank deleted his Twitter account, Mara seems pissed off she did it, and the guy playing Doom(forgot his name)seems to not give a frock any more. It's going to be interesting at Comic Con if they will show a trailer or like the post said, if it even goes to theaters. No way this gets a sequel because the cast doesn't seem happy at all.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

What are they talking about in this thread:



Is that true about Trank? Where would they get this info from? Sure, I'd like to believe it is true but unless there is actual evidence it just sounds like wishful thinking. Even if that did happen though, Fox would probably still want to release the film just to hold onto the rights.

It would explain why there were rumors about him being replaced shortly before production, it would explain why he made some of the obnoxious tweets before his account went silent, it would explain why his account went silent and why he's been MIA since. It would also explain why no one else associated with the production seems to want to talk about it.

For any other film, they likely would have suspended production and started over - but because of the rights situation, that wouldn't have been an option in this case.

. . . but if it turns out to be true, I'm sure some will find ways to say it's a good thing.

 

[Eddie]

I'm skeptical that a studio would maintain a noob director on a moderate to large production who was showing up to the set so high he couldn't function (when he was showing up at all).

But then again, given Fox's defensive posture about this production from the start, I suppose I could see them going along with it in order to hide the fact that there were any problems on set.

It was reported by Bleeding Cool that Fox did try to replace Trank shortly before production. They allegedly contacted at least two directors.

 

[Eddie]

It would explain why there were rumors about him being replaced shortly before production, it would explain why he made some of the obnoxious tweets before his account went silent, it would explain why his account went silent and why he's been MIA since. It would also explain why no one else associated with the production seems to want to talk about it.

For any other film, they likely would have suspended production and started over - but because of the rights situation, that wouldn't have been an option in this case.

. . . but if it turns out to be true, I'm sure some will find ways to say it's a good thing.

Josh Trank is one of the greatest creative minds of our time. You guys simply can't comprehend his genius (which often comes off as eccentricity, btw). Look at the dedication, guys. He's crafting a film about a stone man, so he himself had the dedication to get stoned. His "obnoxious tweets" were simply a trial run for his bold new take on Doom. His trashed rental home was clearly a byproduct of the trial runs of the phenomenal action scenes he was prepping. He's, like, a total method director. Frankly you should all be ashamed of yourselves for not having the creative mind to appreciate Trank's mastery.

 

[justanotherguy]

The getting high stuff is crazy to me, but in the thread it's a second guy says the same thing.

I think Mara was signed on to raise her profile, but recently her profile has risen thanks to House of Cards.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Has anyone seen any interviews with Kate Mara?

I have not, if you have links handy I would like to check them out.

 

[Dark Raven]

Josh Trank is one of the greatest creative minds of our time. You guys simply can't comprehend his genius (which often comes off as eccentricity, btw). Look at the dedication, guys. He's crafting a film about a stone man, so he himself had the dedication to get stoned. His "obnoxious tweets" were simply a trial run for his bold new take on Doom. His trashed rental home was clearly a byproduct of the trial runs of the phenomenal action scenes he was prepping. He's, like, a total method director. Frankly you should all be ashamed of yourselves for not having the creative mind to appreciate Trank's mastery.

He's also disappeared off the grid to see what it's like to be invisible. All he needs now is to set himself on fire. Or maybe those obnoxious comments on Twitter were his idea of flaming.

 

[Eddie]

The getting high stuff is crazy to me, but in the thread it's a second guy says the same thing.

I think Mara was signed on to raise her profile, but recently her profile has risen thanks to House of Cards.

The getting high part isn't really that crazy as Hollywood nonsense goes. That's pretty typical with a Hollywood production. Loads of people in the industry have acknowledged having drug problems while continuing to work. That certainly doesn't excuse it if the allegations are true, of course.

 

[MadVillainy]

Has anyone seen any interviews with Kate Mara? She says in so many words that the movie production sucked and she doesn't think it will be good. She really doesn't say anything positive at all. Matter of fact, the only person who seems to say anything positive about it is Jordan. Teller knows he's hated for it, Trank deleted his Twitter account, Mara seems pissed off she did it, and the guy playing Doom(forgot his name)seems to not give a frock any more. It's going to be interesting at Comic Con if they will show a trailer or like the post said, if it even goes to theaters. No way this gets a sequel because the cast doesn't seem happy at all.

I have not, if you have links handy I would like to check them out.

Yeah I wanna see these interviews too

 

[Orba]

It would explain why there were rumors about him being replaced shortly before production, it would explain why he made some of the obnoxious tweets before his account went silent, it would explain why his account went silent and why he's been MIA since. It would also explain why no one else associated with the production seems to want to talk about it.

For any other film, they likely would have suspended production and started over - but because of the rights situation, that wouldn't have been an option in this case.

. . . but if it turns out to be true, I'm sure some will find ways to say it's a good thing.

Possibly the only reason Fox have kept him on as Director is that when they approached others they refused so Fox were stuck with Trank if they wanted production to begin before the rights expired. I can't see many Directors being interested in taking over a production two months from start with no script (since it was still being written during filming) and a very small budget.

 

[Dark Raven]

I bet Fox wish they had Trank on hand when the rights to Daredevil were about to expire and Joe Carnahan walked.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Possibly the only reason Fox have kept him on as Director is that when they approached others they refused so Fox were stuck with Trank if they wanted production to begin before the rights expired. I can't see many Directors being interested in taking over a production two months from start with no script (since it was still being written during filming) and a very small budget.

Especially since that late in the game chances of making the the deadline are slim anyway. Who wants to gamble taking a job like that over better ones that aren't being rushed out the door and outright loathed by their target audience?

 

[Eddie]

I bet Fox wish they had Trank on hand when the rights to Daredevil were about to expire and Joe Carnahan walked.

I can see it now: Wilson Finch, master of cyber crime!

 

[Dark Raven]

Does Trank honestly believe that FFINO is his shot at the big time? Doesn't he know that Fox are only making this movie purely to retain the rights, and that Trank himself is just a puppet whose strings they would cut at a moment's notice (and were about to do so anyway) if the situation changed and Disney/Marvel were prepared to negotiate?

The whole cast and crew must surely know this is a dud and just an ashcan movie that has been forced along this far because things haven't gone Fox's way.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Does Trank honestly believe that FFINO is his shot at the big time?

I wouldn't be surprised if, when the full story is out, some of the conflict (and while how true these rumors are or aren't is debatable, I'd be willing to bet there's some serious conflict if nothing else) may be attributable to Trank's frustration with Fox not providing the script, resources and support necessary for him to make a real film.