The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 1

[Doc Ock]

In the end all I really want a Hulk that works onscreen with The Avengers team and such. I would like the look to be kept in the continuity of TIH but i'm not expecting it. If he talks or not is simply up to Joss I guess.

 

[Herolee10]

In the end all I really want a Hulk that works onscreen with The Avengers team and such. I would like the look to be kept in the continuity of TIH but i'm not expecting it. If he talks or not is simply up to Joss I guess.

Well we haven't heard anything to say that TIH isn't still part of the MCU, I mean we have Tony Stark's cameo in TIH, along with the footage from the Culver campus attack shown at the end of Iron Man 2. Also, it's revealed that Eric Sevig, one of the three scientists in Thor is an acquainted of Bruce Banner, and is from Culver University as well.

I think this will just be the case like it was for Batman in Batman forever and Batman and Robin, where while the main character for the series was recasted, the events of BF was still canon.

 

[Kirmit]

A shot I love from TIH.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

A shot I love from TIH.

Agreed! This scene powerful overall. I literally had a smile on my fce during the entire fight because it's what i was waiting for for such a long time.

 

[Nathan]

I really hope he talks in the Movie. Hopefully the new cartoon made people used to the idea. In the Thor Movie, when the Frost Giant insults Thor "Run home little Princess.", that could have totally been the Hulk instead.

I want stuff like that in the Avengers movie.

 

[Cracker Jack]

I have to take the next day off of work so I can just roll around the floor hugging myself and giggling. [/B][/COLOR]

Yep, I knew there was something a little DIFFERENT about you. LOL

Good post buddy

 

[Cracker Jack]

I'll speak for myself when I say I have little faith in Marvel Studios...when it has to do with anything Hulk related.

After all we still have this speechless / opinion-less green monster posing as the INCREDIBLE ONE.

After two movies the Hulk has been literally Persona none Grata.

Agree 100%

The Hulk should not have come from DNA crossed with Starfish, Sea Cucumbers, ect! He should not have come from SS serum and a gamma chair. The Hulk should have never grown "BIGER" in proportion to his anger! The Hulk should not have melted away at the sight of Betty! The Hulk should not have grown tied after fighting 3 gamma dogs! He should not be able to be injured by shrapnel. He should not bump his head on the ceiling of a cave go "OUCH!

He should have came from a GAMMA EXPLOSION! Captain America is a period picture, why not the Hulk?

He should say things like "Like smash, Hulk is the strongest one there is," ect.
It's who he is. It's what he says.

The Hulk should have Purple pants

The Hulk should have a sidekick named Rick Jones who Bruce Banner saved from the Gamma bomb and as a result the Hulk was unleashed.

And I'm not sure about this but I figure if your heart beat hit 200 there's going to be an explosion in your chest and you're going to fall over dead.

And that's just to name a few things

End of rant.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

He should have came from a GAMMA EXPLOSION! Captain America is a period picture, why not the Hulk?

Because no one wants an 80-year old Bruce Banner.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Because no one wants an 80-year old Bruce Banner.

True. But he'd only be about 60 and that's the new 40. isn't it?

Then people would have to get past the "They don't test nukes anymore" thing.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

True. But he'd only be about 60 and that's the new 40. isn't it?

Then people would have to get past the "They don't test nukes anymore" thing.

2011 - 1962 is 49 years. Unless you're saying Banner was only 11 when he saved Rick.

Figure a scientist of his caliber to be at least mid-twenties, if not 30-ish at minimum, you're looking at 75 to 80 years old if we adhere to real world dates.

 

[afan]

The "explosion" of Gamma radiation doesn't need to be the result of a bomb. Any experiment gone wrong would do.

A question...
How would you sustain the Hulk personna in The Avengers. i.e. under what circumstance would he revert back to Banner. Commonly it's when the Hulk becomes calm, but if we prefer a talking, as in actual dialogue, Hulk; wouldn't he do most of that talking while in a calm state?

 

[ArtTeacher]

So which version of Hulk exactly is the one whose appeal has lasted all this time? First issue gray? Savage monster? Childlike hulk? Maestro? Joe Fixit? Ferrigno-hulk? Friendly Professor Hulk? Smart but temperamental Hulk? Any of the other dozens of versions that have appeared over the years?

Which of these versions is THE go-to version whenever Marvel has to do mass-marketing? Which version do you see on kids T-shirts, most toys, at theme parks, personal appearances, pop-culture references (Family Guy, The Simpsons, Conan, SNL, comic-strips), etc.?
Hint: It ain't the grey Hulk in a suit or the "Professor" Hulk with glasses, guns, and pink bunny slippers.

I appreciate that you have a particular take that you like, we all do, but please don't go around assuming that your preferred version is the end all be all, 'cuz he's not.

Which version is going to suit the majority of the general audience that goes and sees The Avengers?
Can you imagine the size of the "WTF" that would appear in the heads of the majority of the general audience if they see the Hulk that turns into an insane Banner when he gets mad? Or the Maestro (with male-pattern baldness, liver spots, and long white Santa beard)? How about the blue Hulk that appeared in the Atlantis annual? Or maybe the Avengers have to offer the Hulk tons of money to join since he would have to be lured away from his job as a Las Vegas bouncer?

Gamma Ra's preferred version may not be "the end all, be all" for everyone, but his version *IS* the iconic, classic version that the majority of the general audience is familiar with.
Don't believe me? Walk into any Wal-Mart, mall, or amusement park and take a picture of Sal Buscema's savage Hulk circa the late 70's-early 80's and then take a picture of the "Joe Fixit" incarnation in a 3-piece suit, hat, and grey skin and ask them who each character is.

 

[Cracker Jack]

2011 - 1962 is 49 years. Unless you're saying Banner was only 11 when he saved Rick.

Figure a scientist of his caliber to be at least mid-twenties, if not 30-ish at minimum, you're looking at 75 to 80 years old if we adhere to real world dates.

He's a genus so he could be in his 20's and it doesn't necessarily have to be 1962. It could be mid 60's or 70's. But yeah, the age thing does come into play.

 

[Alientraveller]

He should not have come from SS serum and a gamma chair.

I rather liked that harmonising of Ultimates and the TV show. For me it's no so much saving Rick Jones from an explosion that's important, it's more the notion Banner was a noble soul getting mixed up with a morally dubious General. In the MCU Banner wanted to develop radiation resistance for humans, unaware all Ross really wanted was an army of supersoldiers. I hope for some interesting dialogue between Hulk/Banner and Cap about what Ross wanted.

 

[Gamma Ra]

So which version of Hulk exactly is the one whose appeal has lasted all this time? First issue gray? Savage monster? Childlike hulk? Maestro? Joe Fixit? Ferrigno-hulk? Friendly Professor Hulk? Smart but temperamental Hulk? Any of the other dozens of versions that have appeared over the years?

I appreciate that you have a particular take that you like, we all do, but please don't go around assuming that your preferred version is the end all be all, 'cuz he's not.

There is not one character you can name that has not evolved in some way, but to answer your question, the comic book incarnation(s} has lasted 5 decades not the television version. The Ferrigno-Hulk did not last close to lasting longer than the comic book version, in any of his incarnations. When Marvel tried to change the comic book version of the Hulk in to the none articulate beast from the television show, the book almost got cancelled because sales dropped drastically. It was only after they went back to the beginning of his creation, literally, that the book took again.

The take I like is the take that has lasted 5 decades. Bruce Banner is the Hulk. Hulk is many things and can incarnate many ways as different aspects of Banners psyche come to the forefront. But he needs to be able to express himself in words.

Read the posts, I'm not alone in my thinking. Considering the movies didn't do well, is enough proof that maybe Marvel should attempt a closer version to the comics as opposed to your thinking of beating a dead horse.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Agree 100%

The Hulk should not have come from DNA crossed with Starfish, Sea Cucumbers, ect! He should not have come from SS serum and a gamma chair. The Hulk should have never grown "BIGER" in proportion to his anger! The Hulk should not have melted away at the sight of Betty! The Hulk should not have grown tied after fighting 3 gamma dogs! He should not be able to be injured by shrapnel. He should not bump his head on the ceiling of a cave go "OUCH!

He should have came from a GAMMA EXPLOSION! Captain America is a period picture, why not the Hulk?

He should say things like "Like smash, Hulk is the strongest one there is," ect.
It's who he is. It's what he says.

The Hulk should have Purple pants

The Hulk should have a sidekick named Rick Jones who Bruce Banner saved from the Gamma bomb and as a result the Hulk was unleashed.

And I'm not sure about this but I figure if your heart beat hit 200 there's going to be an explosion in your chest and you're going to fall over dead.

And that's just to name a few things

End of rant.

Be careful...you may get ostracized for having a strong opinions around here.

 

[captainrogers]

I thnk the main reason TIH didn't do so well (or make the numbers Ironman did) was the bad taste that Ang Lee's version left in the general audience's mouths.
I like TIHs take on his origin. It involved Gamma Radiation. Maybe Ross was steering it in the direction of a SuperSoldier, but it was Gamma over exposure. BLONSKY was the faux SSS/Gamma combo byproduct.
I thought Hulk was portrayed pretty well. Hulk isn't absolutely invulnerable. I can buy him bumping his head and feeling it. In 616 comics Cap has slugged Hulk in the face hard enough for the guy to feel it. Bullets may not penetrate, but im sure they don't tickle.
Mayhaps in the avengers, he'll deliver some more classic Hulk lines.
but if anyone were to ask how Banner became Hulk, "Massive exposure to Gamma Rays" is still comic accurate.

 

[Cracker Jack]

I rather liked that harmonising of Ultimates and the TV show. For me it's no so much saving Rick Jones from an explosion that's important, it's more the notion Banner was a noble soul getting mixed up with a morally dubious General. In the MCU Banner wanted to develop radiation resistance for humans, unaware all Ross really wanted was an army of supersoldiers. I hope for some interesting dialogue between Hulk/Banner and Cap about what Ross wanted.

I'm talking about the real Hulk not the Ultimates version. The 616 Banner was not all that noble, he was arrogant and self absorbed. At the vary least he cared only about his work. So him saving Rick Jones is showing that side of him. And why do we want to just skip the almost 50 year history of the Hulk and jump right to the Ultimates? In my mind (and I'm sure I'm not alone) the Savage Hulk from the 70's and 80's is the Hulk (Period)

 

[Gamma Ra]

I thnk the main reason TIH didn't do so well (or make the numbers Ironman did) was the bad taste that Ang Lee's version left in the general audience's mouths.
I like TIHs take on his origin. It involved Gamma Radiation. Maybe Ross was steering it in the direction of a SuperSoldier, but it was Gamma over exposure. BLONSKY was the faux SSS/Gamma combo byproduct.
I thought Hulk was portrayed pretty well. Hulk isn't absolutely invulnerable. I can buy him bumping his head and feeling it. In 616 comics Cap has slugged Hulk in the face hard enough for the guy to feel it. Bullets may not penetrate, but im sure they don't tickle.
Mayhaps in the avengers, he'll deliver some more classic Hulk lines.
but if anyone were to ask how Banner became Hulk, "Massive exposure to Gamma Rays" is still comic accurate.

You know what's ironic capt. I actually enjoyed and love both movies when looking at them objectively as a films in their own merits but when I think of them in the context of the character that that the movies namesake titles...they're both pale imitations.

OF COURSE... IMO. I don't want anyone getting pissy because of my views.

 

[Cracker Jack]

I can buy him bumping his head and feeling it. In 616 comics Cap has slugged Hulk in the face hard enough for the guy to feel it. Bullets may not penetrate, but im sure they don't tickle.
Mayhaps in the avengers, he'll deliver some more classic Hulk lines.
but if anyone were to ask how Banner became Hulk, "Massive exposure to Gamma Rays" is still comic accurate.

I can buy it (because I thought it was funny) but really he shouldn't have even noticed it.

And yes, it was massive exposure so I'm ok with it. Just a wish list thing that they would have at least tried to get it right instead of thinking "It wouldn't work today" To that all I have to say is "BAH!"

 

[Cracker Jack]

Be careful...you may get ostracized for having a strong opinions around here.

Thanks for the heads up Gamma R.

 

[Alientraveller]

I'm talking about the real Hulk not the Ultimates version. The 616 Banner was not all that noble, he was arrogant and self absorbed. At the vary least he cared only about his work. So him saving Rick Jones is showing that side of him. And why do we want to just skip the almost 50 year history of the Hulk and jump right to the Ultimates? In my mind (and I'm sure I'm not alone) the Savage Hulk from the 70's and 80's is the Hulk (Period)

Does the MCU Hulk eat people?

 

[Cracker Jack]

Does the MCU Hulk eat people?

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Marvel Classic Universe? No he doesn't rape women either.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I really hope he talks in the Movie. Hopefully the new cartoon made people used to the idea. In the Thor Movie, when the Frost Giant insults Thor "Run home little Princess.", that could have totally been the Hulk instead.

I want stuff like that in the Avengers movie.

I think an articulate Hulk is what will draw fans even more to the character. I too like the Hulk version that they are using in The Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes show because he's is my favorite in carnation.

I think fans would be as drawn to the classic Savage Hulk, but my biggest fear with using him, is that if they get his syntax wrong, he'll come off corny. But if they get it right...I believe he has the potential to captivate adults and children alike...but it has to be done correctly. They would have to study Len Wein, Bill Mantlo, Steve Englehardt and Roger Stern to get the language right.

The first "Me am Hulk" cave man trash and I'll burn everything Hulk I own.... t:

 

[Cracker Jack]

I think an articulate Hulk is what will draw fans even more to the character. ......

But if they get it right...I believe he has the potential to captivate adults and children alike...but it has to be done correctly. They would have to study Len Wein, Steve Englehardt and Roger Stern to get the language right. The first "Me am Hulk" cave man trash and all burn everything Hulk I own.... t:

I agree, it's a fine line. He has to be able to talk but not as if he has a box of rock in his head. But then again not like Banner either.