The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 1

[jacobed]

I much prefer TIH hulk over Ang Hulk. Also I prefer the much more subtle strength that TIH Hulk has. I liked that he can't jump ridiculous amounts and that he isn't incredibly strong but finds more strength when he needs it. Makes him feel more human which I appreciate. The look of him was perfect and the cg was pretty good throughout the whole movie and freakin amazing in the cave scene.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Just got back from seeing Thor and without giving any spoilers away, it concerns me how much more powerful Thor is depicted in his movie than hulk was in either of his movies. I'm one of the people really looking forward to a Hulk/Thor clash but in order to do this they're either going to have make Hulk a whole lot more powerful or weaken Thor alot.

I'm in the U.S. so Thor has not been released yet, but this will bother me. Ang's Hulk pissed me off when he was picking up that gamma generator that he couldn't quite get over his head. I had no real issue with TIH other than we don't know how strong he is, but I do remember in one of the movie spots they called hi the "most powerful" hero or something like that. This is why I was stating in another thread that I'd like his thunderclap shown more powerful like in the comics where it destroys metallic objects.

 

[Atomicchuck3k]

Sorry, but the impervious to everything hero bores the crap out of me.

Hulk isn't impervious to everything but it takes a heck of a lot to do damage him. That's why Hulk is Hulk.

In TIH having Abomination's elbone penetrate Hulk's skin was very disappointing. The Hulk is a major player in the Marvel Universe not just because of how strong he is an can potentially become, but because he can take a truck load of punishment and keep coming for you.

 

[Gamma Ra]

In this day and age of superhero movies and video game characters performing crazy feats,
I want to see the Hulk perform a feat of strength that is so mind-blowing
that I weep openly and give people around me $20. I want to see the Hulk grow
so strong that I have to take the next day off of work so I can just roll around
the floor hugging myself and giggling.

I want little kids in the audience to know that some heroes
might be faster...some might be smarter...some might be better dressers...but
none are stronger than The Strongest One There Is.

It's the only thing he's got; it's his shtick.
He's not particularly smart...he's got messy hair and torn pants.
But he's the strongest. At least give him that on film!

This!!!

 

[Kirmit]

Hulk isn't impervious to everything but it takes a heck of a lot to do damage him. That's why Hulk is Hulk.

In TIH having Abomination's elbone penetrate Hulk's skin was very disappointing. The Hulk is a major player in the Marvel Universe not just because of how strong he is an can potentially become, but because he can take a truck load of punishment and keep coming for you.

I think this was more to show how strong Abomb was, next to nothing would injure him earlier in the movie so for something to be able to do this to Hulk must mean it's very powerful.

 

[Atomicchuck3k]

I liked that he can't jump ridiculous amounts and that he isn't incredibly strong but finds more strength when he needs it. Makes him feel more human which I appreciate.

For me that is why the writers and directors missed the mark because the Hulk is not human. As much as Thor is a god with unearthly abilities the Hulk is a product of science gone awry. He has become a vessel of unlimited energy, a living engine of destruction. To try to make Hulk more human is to make Hulk more Banner, and that boys and girls makes Hulk angry.

 

[Atomicchuck3k]

I think this was more to show how strong Abomb was, next to nothing would injure him earlier in the movie so for something to be able to do this to Hulk must mean it's very powerful.

Good point Kirmit.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Hulk isn't impervious to everything but it takes a heck of a lot to do damage him. That's why Hulk is Hulk.

In TIH having Abomination's elbone penetrate Hulk's skin was very disappointing. The Hulk is a major player in the Marvel Universe not just because of how strong he is an can potentially become, but because he can take a truck load of punishment and keep coming for you.

I was replying to someones comment about Hulk getting hurt too easy, which I agree, at least as far as the 50 calibers causing minor skin damage, I didn't like it. I did like that they annoyed him like gnats. I was implying that I wouldn't mind if the military came up with specific Hulk-buster weapons made for the sole purpose of destroying him, but nothing conventional, more sci-fi in nature.

The Abomination is Hulk level, so Hulk should be affected by his blows.

 

[Atomicchuck3k]

I was replying to someones comment about Hulk getting hurt too easy, which I agree, at least as far as the 50 calibers causing minor skin damage, I didn't like it. I did like that they annoyed him like gnats. I was implying that I wouldn't mind if the military came up with specific Hulk-buster weapons made for the sole purpose of destroying him, but nothing conventional, more sci-fi in nature.

The Abomination is Hulk level, so Hulk should be affected by his blows.

Understood and agreed. I hope if Marvel decides a Hulk 3 is in order we get to see Hulk containment equipment even a gamma gun or the all famous Hulk Busters would make me squeal in delight.

 

[Alientraveller]

I think this was more to show how strong Abomb was, next to nothing would injure him earlier in the movie so for something to be able to do this to Hulk must mean it's very powerful.

Exactly, and afterwards Hulk got angry enough to slam Abomb into a wall, put a fire with a thunderclap, smashed out a chasm to jam Abomb's foot, strangled and then stabbed him with his own elbow!

Also I prefer the much more subtle strength that TIH Hulk has. I liked that he can't jump ridiculous amounts.

I concur. It's easier to draw Hulk bouncing in a comic but on film he has to do some maneuvering. It didn't help Ang Lee's Hulk that he already resembled a balloon before he began leaping.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I much prefer TIH hulk over Ang Hulk. Also I prefer the much more subtle strength that TIH Hulk has. I liked that he can't jump ridiculous amounts and that he isn't incredibly strong but finds more strength when he needs it. Makes him feel more human which I appreciate. The look of him was perfect and the cg was pretty good throughout the whole movie and freakin amazing in the cave scene.

Everything you are saying is taking away from what makes Hulk, Hulk. He is not supposed to have subtle strength, Hulk for over 50 years has been called "A Force of Nature."

His leaping is part of his M.O. it's like taking Superman's flight powers away. It just doesn't sit well.

As far as a human-like Hulk is concerned...HULK...is...no...puny...human!!! By far.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Understood and agreed. I hope if Marvel decides a Hulk 3 is in order we get to see Hulk containment equipment even a gamma gun or the all famous Hulk Busters would make me squeal in delight.

We're definitely on the same page with your ideas.

I was hoping that with TIH reboot, Marvel Studios was going to get more comic book centered with the Hulk a have a special Hulk-Buster unit designed and trained with weaponry to take him down. A 'Gamma-Gun' would rule.

Here's to hopes TIH 2 sees the light of day.

 

[BigThor]

Thor should be more powerful than the Hulk.
Think about it: Thor has more powers than the Hulk...so he is more powerful than the Hulk.
But the Hulk should be stronger. The Hulk can increase his strength while Thor can't.
Thor has so many advantages over the Hulk that he should beat him easily if they were equal in strength
...but the fact that most of their fights have ended in draws, shows that the Hulk has to have
a strength advantage to compensate for Thor's massive powers.

True

I'ma Thor fan, but Hulk is physically stronger since he ha the "the madder he gets" thing, although Thor is still one of his peers in strength.

I just hope that in the film Thor will be atleast on the same playing field as Hulk when it comes to strength. I believe I speak for most Avengers fan when I say I don't wanna see any of the "Hulk Vs." crap when they fight.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Wait wait .... Hulk didn't show some of his strength in TIH? I think people are going overboard with comments like that ........ did he show the peak of his strength? Perhaps not. But I saw him tear apart, crush, and throw massive objects like rag dolls .... and they did a great job correlating what he was destroying with how angry he was.

 

[Gamma Ra]

According to Kirmit's post above, Hulk's feats do not compare to Thor's level of power shown in the film.

Thus...the uproar.

 

[Rock Sexton]

According to Kirmit's post above, Hulk's feats do not compare to Thor's level of power shown in the film.

Thus...the uproar.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh noez!!!!!

God forbid Joss takes it there by the time Avengers comes out. Talk about worrying over nothing.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I'll speak for myself when I say I have little faith in Marvel Studios...when it has to do with anything Hulk related.

After all we still have this speechless / opinion-less green monster posing as the INCREDIBLE ONE.

After two movies the Hulk has been literally Persona none Grata.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I'll speak for myself when I say I have little faith in Marvel Studios...when it has to do with anything Hulk related.

After all we still have this speechless / opinion-less green monster posing as the INCREDIBLE ONE.

He spoke in TIH, which everyone keeps ignoring. He just wasn't spouting off lines from the Illiad. Speaking is not what will make the character incredible. There's a funky dilemna when faced with showing this angry, raging epic force and trying to make him an intellectual .... especially on-screen.

Again, his "incredible-ness" continues to go understated. It's just not up to comic-levels, which truthfully gets a little absurd in many respects.

 

[Gamma Ra]

He spoke in TIH, which everyone keeps ignoring. He just wasn't spouting off lines from the Illiad. Speaking is not what will make the character incredible. There's a funky dilemna when faced with showing this angry, raging epic force and trying to make him an intellectual .... especially on-screen.

Again, his "incredible-ness" continues to go understated. It's just not up to comic-levels, which truthfully gets a little absurd in many respects.

He spoke two lines in Ang Lee's Hulk film as well, but that is not the Hulk character that has the appeal that has lasted 5 decade.

I disagree, speaking is part of Hulk's incrediblosity Hulk's views and outlook on the world is what makes him that much more unique among the super powered community of heroes and villains. He doesn't always fall in line with the status quo which is why he usually mixes it up with as many heroes as he does villains.

No one claims Hulk is an intellectual giant, though in truth in the comics some of his incarnations can tap into Banner's smarts. But other than his Savage-Childlike incarnation and mindless one, his Merged, Gravage and Gray Hulk personas speak normal, have their own personalities and all have their unique view of right and wrong. His Savage Childlike version is extremely vocal, though the least rational.

Look...check out the Superman board, I was there yesterday, and see what fans are saying about what they want to see, check out Thor's for that matter. All we want to see is the comic character bought to life by movie magic...What's wrong with that?

 

[Obi-Ron]

By talking about Hulk "speaking" I think what most are referring to is having Hulk articulate enough that he comes off as a seperate personality, and not just "Banner having a s*** fit"

 

[Gamma Ra]

I like a Hulk with views that one can understand and judge, as opposed to a virtual animal.

 

[BigThor]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh noez!!!!!

God forbid Joss takes it there by the time Avengers comes out. Talk about worrying over nothing.

Lol t:

 

[Dark Raven]

I always thought that savage Hulk, who was quite child-like and spoke with lines such as Hulk smash, and was also in the Defenders (the comic, not the legal TV series with Jim Belushi and Jerry O'Connell) seemed to be the most pure in heart and innocent as well as the most humourous. He seemed to have the most goodness and would stand up for the little guy (or puppy). That is why he is my favourite incarnation and most heroic, because he does the right thing even when he is thought to be the villain and hunted by others.

Hulk with Banner's brain (in whichever incarnation - whether Smart Hulk etc) just isn't the same. The Hulk from around TIH #280 when he had received a presidential pardon may have done heroic deeds and was treated as a hero, but he doesn't compare. It's one thing to do good when you're perceived as a hero, another thing to do good when you're not, and the world is against you. That Hulk was probably the weakest incarnation anyway, and got his butt whipped many times during Secret Wars.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

He spoke two lines in Ang Lee's Hulk film as well, but that is not the Hulk character that has the appeal that has lasted 5 decade.

So which version of Hulk exactly is the one whose appeal has lasted all this time? First issue gray? Savage monster? Childlike hulk? Maestro? Joe Fixit? Ferrigno-hulk? Friendly Professor Hulk? Smart but temperamental Hulk? Any of the other dozens of versions that have appeared over the years?

I appreciate that you have a particular take that you like, we all do, but please don't go around assuming that your preferred version is the end all be all, 'cuz he's not.

 

[TikkiEXX]

got a good point Whiskey. Hulks continuity is all over the place. and with all the different versions whos to say which one is the right one? it all kind of boils down to opinion.