The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 2

[November Rain]

So if the Destroyer was drawing its energy from Goku during the Saiyan Saga it would be over 9,000?

What?

over 9000?

 

[Godzilla2000]

What?

over 9000?

lol
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[Aluchak]

sorry about the quality i made it 5 minutes ago on paint

 

[BigThor]

Hey, new guy here. Love the discussions so i decided to share my thoughts on the whole Thor, Hulk thing. Based on what we've seen over the past few years in both the animated and film properties, it is clear Marvel has decided to make hulk the standard for physical strength in the Marvel Film Universe.

Firstly, I think it is unrealistic to expect Thor to go fist to fist with the hulk and hold his own. He is clearly not as physically strong as the Hulk. He is strong for sure but he's not on the hulks level. His main power is Mjolnir and using it's power (Throwing it, lightning etc.) he can battle hulk to a reasonable standstill which is what i expect in the film. Many will say "but Thor's a God!", but he isn't in the films. Odin said the Asgardians have fallen into mans myth and legends, and Fandral commented that earthlings worshiped Thor, "As a God". They are basically an Alien race who is far more technologically advanced, physically stronger than humans, and have a knowledge of magic.

Finally, making the hulk physically stronger than Thor gives the characters better balance. Thor can fly, is strong and has cool Storm powers. Hulk's main "shtick", as someone pointed out earlier, is his immeasurable strength through rage. No Army can stand against him much less one man. That's why Tony's trump card when verbally sparing with Loki was "We have a Hulk". Granted Hulk wasn't as powerful in TIH as he was in Ang Lee's Hulk but i think that will change in the Avengers.

Hulk's stronger, Thor's more powerful...that's how it goes.

If I was facing an army I'd still rather have a guy that is super strong, can create storms, fly, and has a mystical hammer over a monster that just has a high level of super strength.

I'm not "down talking Hulk or anything", I'm just saying a tornado and lightning strikes could take out larger groups of troops than punching and throwing things.

 

[November Rain]

yeah in all fairness, for battle tactics, iron man, war machine and iron man can take out multiple foes while the hulk still deals with a few.

neither of the hulk films have shown him capable of dealing with multiple adversaries well

 

[irapogi]

i agree with darthmagic, the way i see it, you can keep saying thor's a "god" but he was worshipped as one, i'd rather see him like he's portrayed in the MCU, a being from a different realm. not necessarily a GOD. like i doubt he's buletproof for example. and like darth said, he has more all around, but in terms of strength, i'd side with the hulk

 

[LOBO3315a]

Look at it this way, If Thor got into an arm wrestling match with Hulk, he'd lose. But Thor has a wider array of powers open to him than Hulk does. In a fight, I'd give the edge to Thor. In a match of strength and endurance, Hulk would win.

 

[terry78]

You strike somebody with lightning or send them up into a twister of ice and snow or something, they ain't coming back for a minute.

 

[cherokeesam]

Hulk's stronger, Thor's more powerful...that's how it goes.

If I was facing an army I'd still rather have a guy that is super strong, can create storms, fly, and has a mystical hammer over a monster that just has a high level of super strength.

I'm not "down talking Hulk or anything", I'm just saying a tornado and lightning strikes could take out larger groups of troops than punching and throwing things.

yeah in all fairness, for battle tactics, iron man, war machine and iron man can take out multiple foes while the hulk still deals with a few.

neither of the hulk films have shown him capable of dealing with multiple adversaries well

You guys obviously never played "Hulk: Ultimate Destruction."

Thunderclaps and ground-pounds can take out ****loads of enemies --- not just in the video game, but in the movies and comics.

 

[November Rain]

i don't understand why people use examples from different media forms to justify their arguments



how game dynamics have anything to do with anything is beyond me.

i guess the hulk in the movie also has a life bar eh?

 

[The Morningstar]

The desert scene in Ang's Hulk is the best display of Hulk doing what he does in live action. That was awesome.

 

[November Rain]

but all he actually did was take out two tanks and two helicopters when you look at it

 

[The Morningstar]

It was more than two tanks wasn't it? Thought it was like four.

But I mean it had everything Hulk should do. Super speed, super jumping, batting and catching missiles out of the air. Tanking an air strike.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

but all he actually did was take out two tanks and two helicopters when you look at it

which is something not everyone can do. when did you take out two tanks and two helicopters the last time?

 

[November Rain]

nah, just two, i don't knock the scene, it was an excellent scene but it was just two tanks and two helicopters.

the only problem is that the hulk was stripped of all those potential skills in TIH and almost regressed him back to a hulk from the tv show.

whether they keep him as in TIH, upgrade him to the HULK level, or do something else will i suppose depend on the story we have and the scenes/screentime/budget they have to work with.

with so many big names in this, i don't know how much they will have left to do high quality hulk cgi.

only time will tell. I guess what they save on norton, they can use in the budget for the hulk, he would have been an expensive penny.

 

[November Rain]

which is something not everyone can do. when did you take out two tanks and two helicopters the last time?

this is the worst stance to take in a discussion ever.

but if you insist, oh yeah, i took out four tanks, 7 helicopters and a nuclear weapon for breakfast.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

this is the worst stance to take in a discussion ever.

but if you insist, oh yeah, i took out four tanks, 7 helicopters and a nuclear weapon for breakfast.

oh, sorry. I always forget to use emoticons. no, I don't participate in this discussion (because, honestly, I don't care), I just found the JUST in "just two tanks and two helicopters" funny and went for a cheap joke.

 

[cherokeesam]

No, it was *four* tanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wrNMPRriwc

And in TIH, he took out a whole goddam *company* of troops, plus at least half a dozen Hummers, and a chopper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IWwzOMNvBM

"Hulk was stripped of all those potential skills in TIH and almost regressed him back to a hulk fromt he tv show...."
What film did you see?
Because you *clearly* skipped over the campus battle in TIH completely.

 

[November Rain]

human cannon fodder isn't a feat

and whoop, he wrecked a couple of jeeps and took out one chopper. Ang's hulk recked a whole row of cars and cracked teh street just by hitting the ground.

the evidence wasn't skipped, it still is a meek regression

edit

i apologise, it was four tanks, i thought a couple of the ones which got damaged were re-damaged

 

[November Rain]

oh, sorry. I always forget to use emoticons. no, I don't participate in this discussion (because, honestly, I don't care), I just found the JUST in "just two tanks and two helicopters" funny and went for a cheap joke.

i still took out a nuke this morning and saved all reality twice today

 

[cherokeesam]

human cannon fodder isn't a feat

and whoop, he wrecked a couple of jeeps and took out one chopper. Ang's hulk recked a whole row of cars and cracked teh street just by hitting the ground.

the evidence wasn't skipped, it still is a meek regression

edit

i apologise, it was four tanks, i thought a couple of the ones which got damaged were re-damaged

The point is, TIH Hulk took out everything that Ross threw at him, including Abomination. If it had been fifty tanks, he would've taken them out, too.

What, exactly, in TIH did you see that led you to believe that the Jolly Green Giant was in any way, shape or form weaker than the one in Ang Lee's film....?

 

[LOBO3315a]

It's just the general hate the 2nd movie has received for some strange reason. I mean The first movie was all right, but I felt like I was watching the 1960's comic book Hulk come to life.

In the 2nd movie I felt like I was watching something closer to today's comics Hulk. A little more grounded in reality. At least he didn't bite the head off a missle and spit it back at the helicopter....

 

[The Morningstar]

It's just the general hate the 2nd movie has received for some strange reason. I mean The first movie was all right, but I felt like I was watching the 1960's comic book Hulk come to life.

In the 2nd movie I felt like I was watching something closer to today's comics Hulk. A little more grounded in reality. At least he didn't bite the head off a missle and spit it back at the helicopter....

That was awesome.

 

[DarthAlani]

Its a comic film, it is supposed to be entertaining. Hulk is way under-powered in the films

 

[BigThor]

i agree with darthmagic, the way i see it, you can keep saying thor's a "god" but he was worshipped as one, i'd rather see him like he's portrayed in the MCU, a being from a different realm. not necessarily a GOD. like i doubt he's buletproof for example. and like darth said, he has more all around, but in terms of strength, i'd side with the hulk

Thor is bulletproof btw, did you see Thor survive that enormous explosion caused by the destruction of the Bifrost bridge unharmed at the end of his film?

He also shrugged off blast from Odin's spear which disentegrates things btw, I'm pretty sure a bullet is nothing to him.

No, it was *four* tanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wrNMPRriwc

And in TIH, he took out a whole goddam *company* of troops, plus at least half a dozen Hummers, and a chopper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IWwzOMNvBM

"Hulk was stripped of all those potential skills in TIH and almost regressed him back to a hulk fromt he tv show...."
What film did you see?
Because you *clearly* skipped over the campus battle in TIH completely.

I'm not saying that Hulk can't defeat multiple troops, I'm just saying realistically Thor could take out far more if he actually utilized his storm creating ability.