The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 2

[Duker Jay]

Abomination and A-Bomb are two different people.

Just sayin'.

 

[November Rain]

The Hulk and this goes for pretty much every character will always be as strong or powerful as the situation calls for. The fact is that your deciding how sttong Hulk is based off of the level of difficulty he fought off what he went up against. If he didnt take some damage then the movie is boring. And I hate to break it to you but general Ross didnt decide to only bring hummers and one gunship, the budget did. If they could of had him fight a flert of tanks and fighter jets they would have. And guess what he would of won. My point is its impossible to say going forward how strong any one character is based off what we have seen. These guys are as powerful as the writer feels they should be in the moment

yeah, the pointi s the writers grounded them.

the whole discussion is pretty much pointing out that some of us hope that he isn't as grounded as he was in TIH.

fury has made a big deal about having the hulk as a weapon and this discussion is saying 'based on what everyone has seen', why would he not put thor or an iron man in higher regard which have showed greater mass enemy taking out capabilities rather than the hulk.

if he is portrayed in a similar light to TIH in the avengers, then it means the overall threat of loki will need to be reduced to suit fit, which then brings in to the question why they would need a hulk on their side.

i can understand a black widow and a hawkeye as their roles are more espionage special forces-essque and perhaps taking out human-esque fodder.

take this for example. Dr manhatten was seen as a great weapon for america and in the comics, and film, we understood why, he was portrayed as being an ace up their sleeve. and that was just a national level threat.

the hulk in TIH is arguably a smaller asset to the avengers (on his own without banner) than a rehabilitated blonksy but both look like they cold get one shot by thor.

I can take into consideration the impact of the serum though, although nothing was stated on it having an impact onthe hulk that was created in that final battle. If it did have an affect, i could accept it having impact on his prowess in that final battle.

dare i say, this is only a personal preference and i'm just trying to stir in some conversation till we get more news on the issue.

i don't want to come across as flogging a dead horse

 

[Blade87]

Betty wasn't sure that Banner would change into the Hulk when he jumped because he had undergone Stern's treatment which supposedly reversed/suppressed his gamma-inspired mutation. They weren't sure whether that was a permanent "cure" for Banner or just a temporary fix. Banner and Betty had no way of knowing whether he still had the ability to transform. On top of that, Banner had been hit with a tranquilizer dart which undoubtedly prevented him from getting excited/angry enough to change. He jumped from the helicopter because he wanted the fear caused by the fall to kick-start his adrenaline and override the effects of the treatment and the drugs he had received.

U know now that I look back at it. I think that would of been the perfect oppurtunity for Banner to turn into Grey Hulk instead. Just sayin

 

[Herolee10]

THE INCREDIBLE HULK: Mark Ruffalo says his Bruce Banner really wants to join The Avengers, but because of his past and the group’s sort of overall fear of him, he’s the outcast among outcasts. “He’s the most – guy, but a total loose cannon. No one wants to set him off except for Iron Man, except for Downey, who just wants to see him pop,” Ruffalo laughs. “It’s funny, there’s a really cool dynamic between Tony Stark and Banner. Banner actually enjoys it, and finds it really refreshing. They’re a lot alike in a strange way. They’re both these kind of scientists who are mavericks, kind of renegades. Banner, for all his mild-mannered mythology, he’s still the dude who was testing some pretty crazy s–t on himself, so he has that rebel streak in him.”

Source: http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/09/29/the-avengers-dis-assembled-exclusive-cast-portraits-revealed/


Any thoughts folks?

 

[terry78]

Interesting take. I figured Stark would constantly want to see him hulk out for no reason other than "it's cool to see" or as a science experiment.

 

[Herolee10]

What I was surprised from reading in that quote was that Banner would be even interested in joining the group.

I had figured that based on how he had chosen to remain in exile at the conclusion of the events in TIH, that he wanted to remain alone...at least for awhile.


Kind of sad to see that he'll be treated like the outcast at first from the group, but it's understandable.

IF those pics in Central park of the entire cast does in fact take place near the end of the film; I'm hoping that with Banner there, that it means that by then, the Hulk and Banner have been more or less, accepted into the group as one of their own (like how they did in the Animated series).

 

[Norm3]

Source: http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/09/29/the-avengers-dis-assembled-exclusive-cast-portraits-revealed/


Any thoughts folks?

I like it as long as he's not flamboyant like Tony Stark. The risk takers were Blonsky and Samuel Stearns in TIH. In the Incredible Hulk I felt like Banner should have been more willing to take risks. And not be so passive as he was portrayed by Edward Norton and even Eric Bana in the first Hulk movie. Banner can be portrayed as meek yet sly.

 

[Norm3]

What I was surprised from reading in that quote was that Banner would be even interested in joining the group.

I had figured that based on how he had chosen to remain in exile at the conclusion of the events in TIH, that he wanted to remain alone...at least for awhile.


Kind of sad to see that he'll be treated like the outcast at first from the group, but it's understandable.

IF those pics in Central park of the entire cast does in fact take place near the end of the film; I'm hoping that with Banner there, that it means that by then, the Hulk and Banner have been more or less, accepted into the group as one of their own (like how they did in the Animated series).

As an intelligent scientist I would think that Banner would realize he should use his power for good. And continue to try to gain control over the Hulk.

 

[Venom'sDad]

All I got out of that interview, is how much I wish Ed Norton was playing Banner in this film.

 

[Doc Samson]

Betty wasn't sure that Banner would change into the Hulk when he jumped because he had undergone Stern's treatment which supposedly reversed/suppressed his gamma-inspired mutation. They weren't sure whether that was a permanent "cure" for Banner or just a temporary fix. Banner and Betty had no way of knowing whether he still had the ability to transform. On top of that, Banner had been hit with a tranquilizer dart which undoubtedly prevented him from getting excited/angry enough to change. He jumped from the helicopter because he wanted the fear caused by the fall to kick-start his adrenaline and override the effects of the treatment and the drugs he had received.

Yeah this is basically what I was saying. It could very well have been a plot device to make the final battle more "epic" like cherokeesam was alluding to, regardless, the antidote is a valid reason for the reduced strength of the Hulk for most of the climax, even though I still feel he wasn't quite as strong as the '03 incarnation during the rest of the movie as well

Interesting take. I figured Stark would constantly want to see him hulk out for no reason other than "it's cool to see" or as a science experiment.

From a pure intellectual basis, Banner would probably be the only one who could relate to Stark. And I would think Bruce would recognize the opportunity to work with equipment the likes of which he's probably never seen, at least since the accident, and he definitely wouldn't have access to it in seclusion

 

[Marvel Spider]

Made this:

 

[Norm3]

All I got out of that interview, is how much I wish Ed Norton was playing Banner in this film.

I'm so happy I don't have to see Ed Norton playing Ed Norton in another Hulk movie.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Made this:

that pose.....wow.

 

[Savage]

I'm so happy I don't have to see Ed Norton playing Ed Norton in another Hulk movie.

Yeah, but Ed Norton IS Banner in that RDJ already IS Tony Stark. Sure they were obvious casting choices like Patrick Stewart as Professor X or Kelsey Grammer as Beast but they still worked. I can't wait to see what Ruffalo does but still it's like...replacing RDJ with Tom Cruise: Yeah, he'd do a good job, but we already saw the character incarnate.

 

[Obi-Ron]

that pose.....wow.

"Green Steel" t:

 

[Doc Samson]

Yeah, but Ed Norton IS Banner in that RDJ already IS Tony Stark. Sure they were obvious casting choices like Patrick Stewart as Professor X or Kelsey Grammer as Beast but they still worked. I can't wait to see what Ruffalo does but still it's like...replacing RDJ with Tom Cruise: Yeah, he'd do a good job, but we already saw the character incarnate.

Physically perhaps, but I wouldn't consider what Norton did that spectacular. In terms of showing angst while still being charismatic, intelligent & withdrawn, Bill Bixby in the Pilot trumps Bana & Norton quite easily.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I'm so happy I don't have to see Ed Norton playing Ed Norton in another Hulk movie.

Yeah, you're right, Zoolander is better.

 

[Herolee10]

In your guys' opinion, do you guys think that Bruce Banner should gain full control...or reach a peaceful cohabitation with the Hulk persona by the end of THIS film?

 

[Matt Mortem]

cohabitation.

 

[Herolee10]

What I'm wondering is if the group will look at Banner and Hulk as two different personas, or look at them as one?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

They'll probably mistake them as just one monster.

 

[cherokeesam]

When has Bruce Banner ever been "mild-mannered?"

Banner is a renegade. A wild card. A loose cannon. He's a genius, but he's a few bricks shy of a load and always has been. He's like that loner in science class who always sits by himself at the back of the room doing quantum physics just for ****s and giggles, arguing loudly with the professor and proving that his textbooks are flat wrong, spending most of his time perusing conspiracy theory sites. He's that crazy guy who's just one wrong move away from snapping and taking out the whole class on a shooting spree. In short, Banner's a Lee Harvey Oswald type.

And dammit, Bixby and Bana and Norton all did a *great* job of portraying that underlying, fidgety nutjob genius of Banner. Ruffalo, on the other hand, is the epitome of laid-back. Unfazeable. California cool. Jeebuz, Banner wouldn't be caught *dead* in a suit like that, posing like Zoolander.

Where's the RAAAAAAGE, man?!?!

 

[terry78]

Ruffalo in that image looks a little unhinged though. Almost Christopher Walken.

 

[cherokeesam]

Ruffalo in that image looks a little unhinged though. Almost Christopher Walken.

Unhinged....?

He looks like an Ivy League liberal arts professor posing for a Men's Wearhouse magazine ad.

 

[Doc Samson]

When has Bruce Banner ever been "mild-mannered?"

Banner is a renegade. A wild card. A loose cannon. He's a genius, but he's a few bricks shy of a load and always has been. He's like that loner in science class who always sits by himself at the back of the room doing quantum physics just for ****s and giggles, arguing loudly with the professor and proving that his textbooks are flat wrong, spending most of his time perusing conspiracy theory sites. He's that crazy guy who's just one wrong move away from snapping and taking out the whole class on a shooting spree. In short, Banner's a Lee Harvey Oswald type.

And dammit, Bixby and Bana and Norton all did a *great* job of portraying that underlying, fidgety nutjob genius of Banner. Ruffalo, on the other hand, is the epitome of laid-back. Unfazeable. California cool. Jeebuz, Banner wouldn't be caught *dead* in a suit like that, posing like Zoolander.

Where's the RAAAAAAGE, man?!?!

Actually, this is the reason I think Bixby was better than both Bana & Norton. He showed a propensity for a quick temper before the accident even happened, a few times. He wasn't so repressed and devoid of emotion like Norton or especially Bana were, although I understand what Ang was going for.

Bixby was able to make his Banner someone you feel for, but at the same time, the look in his eyes lead you to believe he might possibly snap at any second. He actually scared the hell out of me more than he was supposed to as a kid lol