The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 2

[cherokeesam]

Actually, this is the reason I think Bixby was better than both Bana & Norton. He showed a propensity for a quick temper before the accident even happened, a few times. He wasn't so repressed and devoid of emotion like Norton or especially Bana were, although I understand what Ang was going for.

Bixby was able to make his Banner someone you feel for, but at the same time, the look in his eyes lead you to believe he might possibly snap at any second. He actually scared the hell out of me more than he was supposed to as a kid lol

Absolutely!
You could physically *see* the anger in Bixby, even before his eyes turned gamma green. He was a very pissed-off personality.

I don't think Mark Ruffalo is even capable of being angry. In real life and in his typecast roles, he's always easygoing, affable, smiling and laid back....that's why his charm attracts all the ladies. He's the last person on earth I'd think of for Bruce Banner.

The only thing I can figure is that Whedon has done a major makeover on the character, and Banner has now learned how to be "at peace" with his anger through all his zen training.

I'm not sure I'm ready to see Al Gore as Bruce Banner, though. Not sure this is leading in the right direction for the character there, Joss

 

[Doc Samson]

Absolutely!
You could physically *see* the anger in Bixby, even before his eyes turned gamma green. He was a very pissed-off personality.

I don't think Mark Ruffalo is even capable of being angry. In real life and in his typecast roles, he's always easygoing, affable, smiling and laid back....that's why his charm attracts all the ladies. He's the last person on earth I'd think of for Bruce Banner.

The only thing I can figure is that Whedon has done a major makeover on the character, and Banner has now learned how to be "at peace" with his anger through all his zen training.

I'm not sure I'm ready to see Al Gore as Bruce Banner, though. Not sure this is leading in the right direction for the character there, Joss

lmao, well, I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because we really don't have any other choice until we see some real footage. But I will concede he looks somewhat ridiculous on that EW cover

 

[Hoblin]

^^ Agreed. He's an ACTOR, he ACTS. Let's not just assume he can't play the role well because he's a nice and charasmatic guy in person or because most of his other roles have been light-hearted.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Not happy about the prospect of Hawkeye taking Hulk down with tranq-darts, if bulletts and grenades cant pierce his skin how the hell will an arrow?

 

[afan]

Not happy about the prospect of Hawkeye taking Hulk down with tranq-darts, if bulletts and grenades cant pierce his skin how the hell will an arrow?

Yup..........

Hulk needs some kind of control factor to be part of a team, but why can't it be Banner's psyche that controls. Of course there would be a point where the Hulk's increasing rage would overpower even that level of control, but when the focus of that rage is defeated, Hulk should "calm down" to a point where Banner's influence could kick in again.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yup..........

Hulk needs some kind of control factor to be part of a team, but why can't it be Banner's psyche that controls. Of course there would be a point where the Hulk's increasing rage would overpower even that level of control, but when the focus of that rage is defeated, Hulk should "calm down" to a point where Banner's influence could kick in again.

Definately, I wouldnt even mind Black Widow having a calming influence on him or even Fury, but tranq darts sound like a joke to me.

 

[gkokujin]

Not happy about the prospect of Hawkeye taking Hulk down with tranq-darts, if bulletts and grenades cant pierce his skin how the hell will an arrow?

Yup..........

Hulk needs some kind of control factor to be part of a team, but why can't it be Banner's psyche that controls. Of course there would be a point where the Hulk's increasing rage would overpower even that level of control, but when the focus of that rage is defeated, Hulk should "calm down" to a point where Banner's influence could kick in again.

adamantium.

how could you not know this?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I don't think there's adamantium in the Marvel studio universe.

 

[November Rain]

i always thought that new element that stark made was supposed to be adamantium

at the very least, they could go with vibranium

 

[revolucion]

Does anyone think DJ Qualls would have made a good Bruce Banner? I like the contrast of him going from skinny nerd to Hulk smash.

 

[Donut]

We already have the skinny guy turning into a big guy with Steve Rodgers. Don't need a repeat

 

[November Rain]

any skinny geeky guy woud have made a good banner. as long as they were in their mid to late 30s looking.

although getting someone who was technically teh same age as cap would have been nice to highlight his 'age'/cultural time etc.

i didn't take to norton's banner so much but i felt he would have looked better in the lineup.

i get the feeling rufallo will be hit with the hulk 'curse' of just one movie. But i hope he does a good job though.

 

[afan]

adamantium.

how could you not know this?

Thing is...... within a two hour or so film are we gonna see a Hulk that is, on the one hand controllable by Hawkeye's arrows, but also capable of kicking the holy bajeebus out of Loki's army. Just seems a bit inconsistent.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thing is...... within a two hour or so film are we gonna see a Hulk that is, on the one hand controllable by Hawkeye's arrows, but also capable of kicking the holy bajeebus out of Loki's army. Just seems a bit inconsistent.

Exactly, he is Starks trump card when threatenting Loki, but he can be taken out by a tranq arrow? Doesnt seem logical to me.

 

[November Rain]

if the dues ex machina to take out the hulk is well done, i.e. an adamantium drug with a sedative produced by banner (ala the ultimate avengers cartoon), i could close my eyes to it.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

i always thought that new element that stark made was supposed to be adamantium

at the very least, they could go with vibranium

Adamantium is not allowed to be in the MCU because Fox owns the rights to it since they have the X-Men franchise. Vibranium is way more likely to be used.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'm not strictly thinking that the arrow will penetrate Hulk's skin, but maybe it explodes with a tranquilizing gas that Hulk will inhale......

 

[terry78]

So to get him on the team they roofie him? Good lesson for the kids.

 

[PumpkinBombxXx]

Not happy about the prospect of Hawkeye taking Hulk down with tranq-darts, if bulletts and grenades cant pierce his skin how the hell will an arrow?

People forget that the marvel movieverse heroes are all depowered in comparison to their comic book counter parts.

Spoiler

In the Avengers movie Lokies prison was made for the hulk and if he touches the glass he will plummet to the earth from the helicarrier.

In the comics the hulk can survive reentering earths atmosphere and the following impact.
All im saying is that this is a more grounded universe and Hawkeye using his expert aim to shoot the Hulk in the eye or use an adamantium arrow (dont give me the Fox owns the rights because in Wolverine they use vibrainium to make the adamantium wich Vibranium is also used in MCU) to penetrate his skin is completely plausible. Black widow did the same thing in Ultimate Avengers the animated movie.

 

[Savage]

Not many fans of the Ultimate books here, I see. They'll probably use the "cure" from The Incredible Hulk since that seemed to work to some degree. Just like they did in The Ultimates. Vibranium tipped arrows full of Sterns' Hulk cure used as a sedative (since clearly it cured jack squat). It's literally the same thing used in volume 1 and 2 of The Ultimates that Cap was trying to stick in Hulk's throat and Hawkeye shot at Hulk from a helicopter and turned him back. Granted that only took one arrow and I'm hoping for a barrage of them in the movie but I'd be satisfied with just the one.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Hawkeye having the arrow tips to tranq Hulk,

Spoiler

tells me that Loki will control Hulk, use him against the Avengers, and Hawkeye saves the day by tranqing him...also given reason why after that episode, the team is afraid of Hulk, and want nothing to do with him. Bruce want to be apart of the team, they don't...except maybe Tony; who I think want to see Hulk pop off, so he can sincerely help Bruce learn how to control him...regardless of the hint at the end of TIH.

 

[cherokeesam]

Does anyone think DJ Qualls would have made a good Bruce Banner? I like the contrast of him going from skinny nerd to Hulk smash.

Hell, yes.
That's more like comic-book Banner.

We already have the skinny guy turning into a big guy with Steve Rodgers. Don't need a repeat

There's a big difference between a skinny guy being *permanently* transformed into an Adonis adored by all, and a skinny guy temporarily transforming into an out-of-control, terrifying Mr. Hyde whenever he gets pissed off.

Adamantium is not allowed to be in the MCU because Fox owns the rights to it since they have the X-Men franchise. Vibranium is way more likely to be used.

Oh, horse-puckey.
There's no indication whatsoever that Fox owns the "rights" to adamantium.
At any rate, it wasn't the adamantium that took out Hulk in the Ultimates, it was the chemical that Hawkeye applied to the tip.

I think the whole tranq arrow thing is being blown out of proportion --- first, by Renner, who probably still doesn't understand squat about the Marvel Universe (in film or comic); second, by fans who've never read that same exact scene in The Ultimates, which is clearly being referenced here; and third, by *all* of us fans, who have no idea when the "tranq arrow" scene takes place in the movie. Could be when Hulk is under control of Loki; could be when he's on the team but out of control; could be well before he's even drafted onto the team; hell, could be just a training exercise or something.

I strongly, *strongly* doubt that Renner is on target (heh) when he believes that his arrow is the "only" thing that can take Hulk down.

 

[Herolee10]

So based on the quotes from the EW article, it seems pretty much confirmed that the Hulk will have a scuffle with the Avengers at some point the film, while being portrayed in a heroic light as well....where in one point, he ends up saving Iron Man as he's falling from the skies.

I can't wait to see on how the Hulk works in a group dynamic situation, let alone being portrayed as someone with intelligence, instead of being some stereotypical mindless monster of rage.

 

[cherokeesam]

So based on the quotes from the EW article, it seems pretty much confirmed that the Hulk will have a scuffle with the Avengers at some point the film, while being portrayed in a heroic light as well....where in one point, he ends up saving Iron Man as he's falling from the skies.

I can't wait to see on how the Hulk works in a group dynamic situation, let alone being portrayed as someone with intelligence, instead of being some stereotypical mindless monster of rage.

I'm willing to bet that both Banner and Hulk will be shown to evolve from TIH. Banner will likely have more control over his rage, and Hulk will likely be getting "smarter" by the minute. Hopefully, he'll have actual lines of dialogue, instead of just the grunted "Betty" and "HULK SMASH!" from TIH.

I want to hear some classic Hulkisms like "puny human," "the madder Hulk is, the stronger Hulk gets" and, of course, "Hulk is strongest one there is."

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Hell, yes.
That's more like comic-book Banner.



There's a big difference between a skinny guy being *permanently* transformed into an Adonis adored by all, and a skinny guy temporarily transforming into an out-of-control, terrifying Mr. Hyde whenever he gets pissed off.



Oh, horse-puckey.
There's no indication whatsoever that Fox owns the "rights" to adamantium.
At any rate, it wasn't the adamantium that took out Hulk in the Ultimates, it was the chemical that Hawkeye applied to the tip.

I think the whole tranq arrow thing is being blown out of proportion --- first, by Renner, who probably still doesn't understand squat about the Marvel Universe (in film or comic); second, by fans who've never read that same exact scene in The Ultimates, which is clearly being referenced here; and third, by *all* of us fans, who have no idea when the "tranq arrow" scene takes place in the movie. Could be when Hulk is under control of Loki; could be when he's on the team but out of control; could be well before he's even drafted onto the team; hell, could be just a training exercise or something.

I strongly, *strongly* doubt that Renner is on target (heh) when he believes that his arrow is the "only" thing that can take Hulk down.

Nope, it's pretty obvious that Fox does own the rights to Adamantium since they've mentioned the metal in almost every X-movie and Wolverine's made with the stuff. Adamantium is apart of the X-Men deal for them. Same reason why Cap's shield is only composed of Vibranium in the movies and not a Adamantium/Vibranium hybrid. I can guarantee you that you won't be hearing about Adamantium in the MCU anytime soon, unless Marvel miraculously gets those X-Men film rights back.