The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[Webfoot Hero]

I think Murdoch is ultimately going to want to stick with Disney

Same here. I do see a couple raised bids but having so much Disney stock and most of Fox's entertainment execs getting nice landing spots are likely what will get this deal done for the House of Mouse.

 

[Kuwolski]

Couldn't the Fox exec's get a landing spot at Universal as well?

 

[BWX]

Here is my take. I hope comcast wins. period. The truth is Marvel has suffered under Disney. they were better when they were on their own. they strived better and their artistic work was better on all grounds..
Disney has hurt marvel movies. marvel movies gets more formulaic, generic and even at times feels like Pixar movies than Marvel movies.

Disney has ruined marvel comics because they brought in bitter business politics and always try to fit the comics to match their movies.

Disney has ruined Marvel Games.

Disney has ruined Marvel animation

Disney has ruined Star Wars.

They don't deserve to own x-men, aliens, avatar and planet of the apes. If anyone feels I am way off or wrong, please do kindly and respectfully challenge me on my stance.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Here is my take. I hope comcast wins. period. The truth is Marvel has suffered under Disney. they were better when they were on their own. they strived better and their artistic work was better on all grounds..
Disney has hurt marvel movies. marvel movies gets more formulaic, generic and even at times feels like Pixar movies than Marvel movies.

Disney has ruined marvel comics because they brought in bitter business politics and always try to fit the comics to match their movies.


Disney has ruined Marvel Games.

Disney has ruined Marvel animation

Disney has ruined Stars Wars.

They don't deserve to own x-men, aliens, avatar and planet of the apes. If anyone feels I am way off or wrong, please do kindly and respectfully challenge me on my stance.

I agree. Comcast is the good guy in this game.

 

[BWX]

I agree. Comcast is the good guy in this game.

Thanks.

many people don't want to really accept this obvious truth. all the people that want xmen in the mcu have never given any plausible reasons why and the reason xmen is marvel is beyond superficial since marvel did not used to be disney.

xmen movies at their best are superior to mcu movies. the only marvel movies that can even compete with the tdk trilogy. MCU Disney is not even close. they compete more with pixar.

 

[Kuwolski]

Here is my take. I hope comcast wins. period. The truth is Marvel has suffered under Disney. they were better when they were on their own. they strived better and their artistic work was better on all grounds..
Disney has hurt marvel movies. marvel movies gets more formulaic, generic and even at times feels like Pixar movies than Marvel movies.

Disney has ruined marvel comics because they brought in bitter business politics and always try to fit the comics to match their movies.


Disney has ruined Marvel Games.

Disney has ruined Marvel animation

Disney has ruined Stars Wars.

They don't deserve to own x-men, aliens, avatar and planet of the apes. If anyone feels I am way off or wrong, please do kindly and respectfully challenge me on my stance.

Do you need or want to be challenged?

It's your opinion, what of it?

I hope Disney wins and the X-Men and FF are in the MCU. What of it?

They haven't ruined my fond childhood memories so I can't really speak subjectively on what they do or don't "deserve".

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

 

[BaronZemo]

Thanks.

many people don't want to really accept this obvious truth. all the people that want xmen in the mcu have never given any plausible reasons why and the reason xmen is marvel is beyond superficial since marvel did not used to be disney.

xmen movies at their best are superior to mcu movies. the only marvel movies that can even compete with the tdk trilogy. MCU Disney is not even close. they compete more with pixar.

There is no such thing as truth in anything you wrote. You want the truth? The MCU is one of the best franchises in history and that is not even subjective anymore. They have are keeping the genre alive almost single-handidly when everyone else is stumbling at least once per year. Phase 3 is widely considered the best MCU phase by far and they have managed to amount critical, general audience and even hardcore fans acclaim something very few franchises have achieved so far.

The truth is that you don't care about X-men or F4 because every sensible fan knows the 4 especially are better off with Marvel. You just don't want to seer the MCU win so in the expense of the future of the characters you want anyone but Disney to win. It's the syndrome of "if i can't own the house,i'm gonna burn it so no one will have it".

The truth is some of you are having a really hard time handling MCU's success and the fact that Fox Marvelfilms are basically an afterthought.

 

[BWX]

Do you need or want to be challenged?

It's your opinion, what of it?

I hope Disney wins and the X-Men and FF are in the MCU. What of it?

They haven't ruined my fond childhood memories so I can't really speak subjectively on what they do or don't "deserve".

A strong opinion I have but it starts to lean more on truth when it comes to x-men in particular. disney will never had made Logan, DOFP, X-men and X2 like fox made it. they would have stripped away the grounded realism, heavy story telling, drama, themes and depth for a more fun pop corn action packed cgi driven movie. those are not the way xmen movies needs to be made.

as for things like video games and animation, this never used to be up for debate, DC is superior in these mediums.Disney has completely failed marvel in this areas.

As MCU movies lean more to comedy and light hearted and fun Disney feel. x-men movies should lean the opposite and their stories back it up, so do their movies. Disney cannot handle xmen stories without dumbing it down.

 

[BaronZemo]

A strong opinion I have but it starts to lean more on truth when it comes to x-men in particular. disney will never had made Logan, DOFP, X-men and X2 like fox made it. they would have stripped away the grounded realism, heavy story telling, drama, themes and depth for a more fun pop corn action packed cgi driven movie. those are not the way xmen movies needs to be made.

as for things like video games and animation, this never used to be up for debate, DC is superior in these mediums.Disney has completely failed marvel in this areas.

As MCU movies lean more to comedy and light hearted and fun Disney feel. x-men movies should lean the opposite and their stories back it up, so do their movies. Disney cannot handle xmen stories without dumbing it down.

You really haven't seen DC animation of the past few years, have you? Marvel dominates live-action both tv and film, the two most prominent and dominant sources of entertainment and with the highest reach than both games and animation. That makes them effectively the kings of comic book pop culture and that is reflected in the popularity of the MCU and the lack of popularity of the X-men or DCEU franchises. Spin it as much as you want but if you go out in the streets and ask 100 random citizens to name 10 superheroes most of them would be Marvel and that is a fact.

Marvel has integrated so many characters in pop culture in recent years that DC being ahead in animation or games has zero impact.

 

[BWX]

There is no such thing as truth in anything you wrote. You want the truth? The MCU is one of the best franchises in history and that is not even subjective anymore. They have are keeping the genre alive almost single-handidly when everyone else is stumbling at least once per year. Phase 3 is widely considered the best MCU phase by far and they have managed to amount critical, general audience and even hardcore fans acclaim something very few franchises have achieved so far.

The truth is that you don't care about X-men or F4 because every sensible fan knows the 4 especially are better off with Marvel. You just don't want to seer the MCU win so in the expense of the future of the characters you want anyone but Disney to win. It's the syndrome of "if i can't own the house,i'm gonna burn it so no one will have it".

The truth is some of you are having a really hard time handling MCU's success and the fact that Fox Marvelfilms are basically an afterthought.

Best franchise in history for their fans and the crowd pleasers but has yet to be taken seriously or gained respect in the film industry that xmen or batman movies do when they are their best because their movies are something more than the cgi superhero fluff that mcu is. infact mcu movies have pissed of almost every high profile talented director in Hollywood.

MCU movies are as good as the last one. we will talk when they have a movie like Logan or TDK. or even X2 or Batman Begins. MCU movies have acclaim for been fun, superficial entertaining and funny. X-Men movies also have acclaim but for things like story telling, drama , credibility, seriousness and depth. good drama films that just happens to be comic films.

LOL, Fox marvel films are an afterthought? where? Logan will be remembered forever as art, when anyone wants to make smart comic films they always say xmen movies are their models. mcu movies are disposable popcorn flicks.
look at black panther, it tried to be like an xmen movie, the actor even said xmen movies was part of the inspiration but it failed completely, Killmonger is no Magneto and Black Panther is no Xavier. not to mention the lack of compelling conflict we see in xmen movies not present in black panther because disney loves to keep things formulaic.

Disney cannot tell xmen stories. xmen is not cgi jokey comedy like mcu movies are. sorry.
if Disney had made DOFP or Old Man Logan comics it will not be the DOFP movie or the logan movie. it would have been comedy like Thor Ragnarök and Avengers. that alone disqualifies them to make xmen movies.

 

[Kuwolski]

A strong opinion I have but it starts to lean more on truth when it comes to x-men in particular. disney will never had made Logan, DOFP, X-men and X2 like fox made it. they would have stripped away the grounded realism, heavy story telling, drama, themes and depth for a more fun pop corn action packed cgi driven movie. those are not the way xmen movies needs to be made.

as for things like video games and animation, this never used to be up for debate, DC is superior in these mediums.Disney has completely failed marvel in this areas.

As MCU movies lean more to comedy and light hearted and fun Disney feel. x-men movies should lean the opposite and their stories back it up, so do their movies. Disney cannot handle xmen stories without dumbing it down.

You are entitled to feel this way but I'm not really interested in a debate because it's happened before. The MCU's success speaks for itself as does the fandom it's created. Sorry you aren't a fan. There are an insane amount of X-Men fans who want the X-Men in the MCU and feel the Fox films have failed the characters. That's not up for debate either, you just need to search these forums and the internet in general to discover this. I won't even waste my time on DD or the FF.

The Marvel games are just getting going now with the pursuit of AAA titles like Spider-Man and The Avengers Project. You can choose to live in the past or embrace the future.

The animation has been terrible I agree. Hopefully they get better.

 

[Marvel united]

As a lifelong X-Men, all I want is for them to be in the MCU. I'm tired of Fox treating these amazing characters so terribly. An MCU version of Cyclops or Storm would be the versions we deserve

 

[BWX]

You are entitled to feel this way but I'm not really interested in a debate because it's happened before. The MCU's success speaks for itself as does the fandom it's created. Sorry you aren't a fan. There are an insane amount of X-Men fans who want the X-Men in the MCU and feel the Fox films have failed the characters. That's not up for debate either, you just need to search these forums and the internet in general to discover this. I won't even waste my time on DD or the FF.

The Marvel games are just getting going now with the pursuit of AAA titles like Spider-Man and The Avengers Project. You can choose to live in the past or embrace the future.

The animation has been terrible I agree. Hopefully they get better.

X-Men fans have never said fox is perfect but in the end we are more likely to choose the better option or the one with more freedom. an xmen fan will never want to see xmen movies get dumbed down or turned into disney comedy because that is not the comics we read.

if you think fox has failed the characters what will you say of marvel characters that feel more like disney prince charming than their comic counterparts. and disney characters have more solo movies to get more attention.

fox may not have given other characters the spotlight but that is an error they can correct as times goes by. with more films. disney has nothing good to offer xmen but disneyism. right now as we speak, disney will likely cancel new mutants for the reason it is not kid friendly enough or horror is not their thing, while would an xmen fan support that? knowing fully the comic story was horror?

most xmen fans have favoured X2, DOFP, First Class Logan over every mcu movies because this movies got the tone, themes, depth and content of the xmen comics right, something disney will never do and that is what is the deciding factor for xmen fans.

would an xmen fan like it if DOFP movie has been more like Thor Ragnarök or avengers and not like the 2014 film that disney would never have made?. no.

 

[BWX]

As a lifelong X-Men, all I want is for them to be in the MCU. I'm tired of Fox treating these amazing characters so terribly. An MCU version of Cyclops or Storm would be the versions we deserve

notice this suppose ''x-men fans'' never likes to talk about xmen stories.tell me as an xmen how will disney adapt stories like the mutant massacre or god loves man kills , second coming or infreno?

Sometimes I cringe when I watch an xmen show like TAS and notice it has more depth, is taken more seriously and pushes more boundaries than MCU movies do. and that is just an xmen cartoon.



And they ask me, why marvel as of 2018 have terrible animation.

 

[Kuwolski]

X-Men fans have never said fox is perfect but in the end we are more likely to choose the better option or the one with more freedom. an xmen fan will never want to see xmen movies get dumbed down or turned into disney comedy because that is not the comics we read.



if you think fox has failed the characters what will you say of marvel characters that feel more like disney prince charming than their comic counterparts. and disney characters have more solo movies to get more attention.



fox may not have given other characters the spotlight but that is an error they can correct as times goes by. we more films. disney has nothing good to offer xmen. right now as we speak, disney will likely cancel new mutants for the reason it is not kid friendly enough or horror is not their thing, while would an xmen fan support that? knowing fully the comic story was horror?



most xmen fans have favoured X2, DOFP, First Class Logan over every mcu movies because this movies got the tone, themes, depth and content of the xmen comics right, something disney will never do and that is what is the deciding factor for xmen fans.


would an xmen fan like it if DOFP movie has been more like Thor Ragnarök or avengers and not like the 2014 film that disney would never have made?. no.

OK.

And who's "we". You speak for all X-Men fans? Stick around and I'm sure you'll discover the opposite.

You can find plenty of folks who are willing to debate you. I've been there plenty of times before and am tired of going around in circles.

Just giving you the lay of the land.

 

[BaronZemo]

Best franchise in history for their fans and the crowd pleasers but has yet to be taken seriously or gained respect in the film industry that xmen or batman movies do when they are their best because their movies are something more than the cgi superhero fluff that mcu is. infact mcu movies have pissed of almost every high profile talented director in Hollywood.

MCU movies are as good as the last one. we will talk when they have a movie like Logan or TDK. or even X2 or Batman Begins. MCU movies have acclaim for been fun, superficial entertaining and funny. X-Men movies also have acclaim but for things like story telling, drama , credibility, seriousness and depth. good drama films that just happens to be comic films.

LOL, Fox marvel films are an afterthought? where? Logan will be remembered forever as art, when anyone wants to make smart comic films they always say xmen movies are their models. mcu movies are disposable popcorn flicks.
look at black panther, it tried to be like an xmen movie, the actor even said xmen movies was part of the inspiration but it failed completely, Killmonger is no Magneto and Black Panther is no Xavier. not to mention the lack of compelling conflict we see in xmen movies not present in black panther because disney loves to keep things formulaic.

Disney cannot tell xmen stories. xmen is not cgi jokey comedy like mcu movies are. sorry.
if Disney had made DOFP or Old Man Logan comics it will not be the DOFP movie or the logan movie. it would have been comedy like Thor Ragnarök and Avengers. that alone disqualifies them to make xmen movies.

Dude, just drop it. You are just collecting cliches and tropes DC fans spout online. "CGI, comedy, humor, basd villains".

The MCU film have equal amount of character and dramatic work to balance their humor and that is proven by the fact THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THE CHARACTERS.Meanwhile another franchise with an X in the title hasn't managed to figure out that X-men are more than Wolverine and mystique for 20 years.

Stop throwing overused tropes that no one takes seriously anymore. The MCU is art and it will be remembered as art which is why they have the biggest amount of critically acclaimed 90% RT films in HISTORY. Don't let facts get in front of your bias though. I'm sure the acclaim Black Panther got months ago meant nothing to you since it wasn't made by Fox.

As i said, you really aren't a Marvel fan. You are a Fox fan. No rational and reasonable fan that has read the comics doesn't see how much potential Fox has wasted with the X-men. How they have failed to present them as team. How they have wasted the characters, the vast majority of them. How they are afraidof the source material. How they have butchered the F4.

Save your rants and go back to the hole you were for the last 7 months since the deal was announced. Comcast makes a bid and suddenly you are here. How convenient.

Also to the other guy saying Comcast is the good guy here. Do you have any idea who Comcast is and the fact that they are widely considered worse company than Disney in any regard. Again bias is a really dangerous drug...

 

[BWX]

You really haven't seen DC animation of the past few years, have you? Marvel dominates live-action both tv and film, the two most prominent and dominant sources of entertainment and with the highest reach than both games and animation. That makes them effectively the kings of comic book pop culture and that is reflected in the popularity of the MCU and the lack of popularity of the X-men or DCEU franchises. Spin it as much as you want but if you go out in the streets and ask 100 random citizens to name 10 superheroes most of them would be Marvel and that is a fact.

Marvel has integrated so many characters in pop culture in recent years that DC being ahead in animation or games has zero impact.

X-Men and DC longevity, always taking risks, growing and redefining itself to MCU supercritical popularity that rival twilight and transformers.

DC still has the TDK trilogy which mcu will never match.

Ask 100 crazy citizens under 19 or 14. they will say mcu. that is the demo. ask people above 30 they will say an xmen movie or another comic film not mcu. afterall, disney has never hidden the fact they dumb mcu movies down to appeal to their young market. whereas xmen movies have always taken pride in the fact that their movies had more maturity and deal with real adult issues and is not about blowing up cities and having fun with little substance.

please do you think anyone above 30 or 40 will prefer a movie like avengers were god is a joke to X2 where god is treated as the spiritual being he is for the many people that think he exists. its a circle of life, as you get older, you get smarter. and that means your taste of movies start to change to the more adult themed ones not the cgi comedy disney fluff.

 

[Marvel united]

notice this suppose ''x-men fans'' never likes to talk about xmen stories.tell me as an xmen how will disney adapt stories like the mutant massacre or god loves man kills , second coming or infreno?

Sometimes I cringe when I watch an xmen show like TAS and notice it has more depth, is taken more seriously and pushes more boundaries than MCU movies do. and that is just an xmen cartoon.



And they ask me, why marvel as of 2018 have terrible animation.

At first I was nervous about that but Black Panther proved that Marvel is not afraid to tackle serious themes and mature subjects. And besides, even if the heavy took a backseat, that would be a breath of fresh air because that's all the Fox movies focus on. There is so much more to the X-Men that is being ignored by the Fox movies. The crazy, colorful costumes, the technology, the adventures etc. I would not mind at all if the MCU X-Men focused more on the fantastical, fun side of the X-Men because there is so much more potential that Fox refuses to explore with these characters. We've been getting the same **** with Magneto since 2000. I'm ready for something new.

 

[BWX]

Dude, just drop it. You are just collecting cliches and tropes DC fans spout online. "CGI, comedy, humor, basd villains".

The MCU film have equal amount of character and dramatic work to balance their humor and that is proven by the fact THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THE CHARACTERS.Meanwhile another franchise with an X in the title hasn't managed to figure out that X-men are more than Wolverine and mystique for 20 years.

Stop throwing overused tropes that no one takes seriously anymore. The MCU is art and it will be remembered as art which is why they have the biggest amount of critically acclaimed 90% RT films in HISTORY. Don't let facts get in front of your bias though. I'm sure the acclaim Black Panther got months ago meant nothing to you since it wasn't made by Fox.

As i said, you really aren't a Marvel fan. You are a Fox fan. No rational and reasonable fan that has read the comics doesn't see how much potential Fox has wasted with the X-men. How they have failed to present them as team. How they have wasted the characters, the vast majority of them. How they are afraidof the source material. How they have butchered the F4.

Save your rants and go back to the hole you were for the last 7 months since the deal was announced. Comcast makes a bid and suddenly you are here. How convenient.

Also to the other guy saying Comcast is the good guy here. Do you have any idea who Comcast is and the fact that they are widely considered worse company than Disney in any regard. Again bias is a really dangerous drug...

Wtf. Rotten tomatoes? are you kidding me. good to know some mcu fans still use RT after horrible movies like homecoming, iron man 3, gotg 2, thor 3, last jedi. if you think being in a team is blowing up new york city for 1 hour and laughing about it with no stakes like we see in avengers than you should read more xmen comics.


watch X2, DOFP and FC and see how a team works without massive cgi explosions and wrecking the place. LOL...Rotten tomatoes? a generic movie like black panther rated higher than TDK and Logan is as laughable as it is as not credible. black panther is not even as good as first class and both movies are kind of similar.

Just so you know, the best mcu movie artistically is the winter solider and DOFP took down this movie in 2014 in artistic acclaim. if anyone is bias it is you, Tell me how will disney make a second coming xmen movie based on the tone and nature of the story? or will they put it on netflix?

Disney should drop it and try and repair star wars. they cannot take on xmen. they are too watered down . Also the cgi, comedy and bad villians is not DC fans. many credible people like James Cameron, John Landis, Jodi Foster and Mickey Rouke have said the same thing because it is true.

 

[Kuwolski]

X-Men and DC longevity, always taking risks, growing and redefining itself to MCU supercritical popularity that rival twilight and transformers.

DC still has the TDK trilogy which mcu will never match.

Ask 100 crazy citizens under 19 or 14. they will say mcu. that is the demo. ask people above 30 they will say an xmen movie or another comic film not mcu. afterall, disney has never hidden the fact they dumb mcu movies down to appeal to their young market. whereas xmen movies have always taken pride in the fact that their movies had more maturity and deal with real adult issues and is not about blowing up cities and having fun with little substance.

please do you think anyone above 30 or 40 will prefer a movie like avengers were god is a joke to X2 where god is treated as the spiritual being he is for the many people that think he exists. its a circle of life, as you get older, you get smarter. and that means your taste of movies start to change to the more adult themed ones not the cgi comedy disney fluff.

Sounds like you've really done a deep dive on the science.

The rest sounds like a broken record from posters who have left and crawled under a rock years ago.

Grammar starting to sink into marvelrobbins territory...

 

[BWX]

At first I was nervous about that but Black Panther proved that Marvel is not afraid to tackle serious themes and mature subjects. And besides, even if the heavy took a backseat, that would be a breath of fresh air because that's all the Fox movies focus on. There is so much more to the X-Men that is being ignored by the Fox movies. The crazy, colorful costumes, the technology, the adventures etc. I would not mind at all if the MCU X-Men focused more on the fantastical, fun side of the X-Men because there is so much more potential that Fox refuses to explore with these characters. We've been getting the same **** with Magneto since 2000. I'm ready for something new.

And Black Panther still turned out quite superficial compared to X2 or First Class that tackled the THEMES ina compelling format almost give me Oscar writing or inglorious bastard. Black panther told us the themes it never deeply addressed it and made it complex.
black panther had some xmenism but became thor 1 in the end because the main theme of the movie is brother wants the thrown and sticking to the mcu forumla, not the themes of prejudice or race like xmen makes the themes with, with the mutants and humans war and we see the consequence in DOFP. Where mutants are been placed in death camps and xmen had to fight to the death in war they could not win by physically fighting unlike black panther....ah..such good writing. black panther was another cgi fest by the end of the movie.

as I said, killmonger is no magneto, black panther is not xavier. to even put this two in the same rank as Ian Mckellen and Partick Stewart in X2 is laughable. just on the first talk that xavier and mags are not one dimensional people.

 

[BaronZemo]

X-Men and DC longevity, always taking risks, growing and redefining itself to MCU supercritical popularity that rival twilight and transformers.

DC still has the TDK trilogy which mcu will never match.

Ask 100 crazy citizens under 19 or 14. they will say mcu. that is the demo. ask people above 30 they will say an xmen movie or another comic film not mcu. afterall, disney has never hidden the fact they dumb mcu movies down to appeal to their young market. whereas xmen movies have always taken pride in the fact that their movies had more maturity and deal with real adult issues and is not about blowing up cities and having fun with little substance.

please do you think anyone above 30 or 40 will prefer a movie like avengers were god is a joke to X2 where god is treated as the spiritual being he is for the many people that think he exists. its a circle of life, as you get older, you get smarter. and that means your taste of movies start to change to the more adult themed ones not the cgi comedy disney fluff.

And Marvel has a universe that DC will never match. Last time i checked universe> trilogy. You are not gonna win this one buddy. Quit while you are behind. You are just throwing everyone under the sun, DC, Fox to try and justify that the MCU is inferior when every measurable evidence from fan response, critical acclaim and box office is the exact opposite. Drop it, you are embarrassing yourself.

 

[Kuwolski]

At least we're getting a respite from talking business.

Next we'll be getting FFINO defenders.

 

[BaronZemo]

At least we're getting a respite of talking business.

I just hate people wearing the "fan cloak" when in reality the ONLY THING they want is for the MCU to not become more popular getting back THEIR OWN CHARACTERS. Their own creations.

They would have F4 driven through the Hades and Kinberg directed 8 movies if it means the X-men/F4 would stay away from Marvel.