The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 18

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If that happened then Disney and Comcast would have to come together. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Any member of FAANG would dwarf Disney and Comcast combined.
 
Apple can easily beat both Disney and Comcast in a bidding war for Fox but thankfully for us they’re not interested.
 
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Comcast and Disney should stop fighting over Fox and split it up — but they probably won't

It doesn't take a fission scientist to come up with a solution — Comcast takes the international assets and Disney takes the domestic ones. And if both Comcast and Disney want Hulu, they can halve Fox's 30 percent ownership.

But it may be too late. There are no talks between the two companies about splitting Fox, according to people familiar with the matter.

That's because Disney had no need to invite Comcast to split the assets when it reached a deal with Fox last year. But Judge Richard Leon's ruling on Wednesday that AT&T could buy Time Warner without conditions changed the calculus.

Now Comcast has overbid Disney by about $9 billion (based on today's movement in Disney shares) for the same Fox assets. If Iger wants to avoid a bidding war and split the assets now, Fox would need to release him from the companies' signed deal agreement. That's unlikely to happen, because it could prevent Fox from getting the highest price for the assets it wants to sale — a bidding war is just fine for Fox shareholders.

So even though both companies want Fox's assets for different reasons, and are willing to divest similar unwanted parts like regional sports networks, both companies are now fighting for the whole bundle of assets, including cable stations FX and Nat Geo and Endemol Shine Group.

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Disney is actively considering its options, including an increased cash-stock offer, according to a person familiar with the matter. Given the stakes and the personalities involved, don't expect either company to back down without a fight.
 

As touched on previously, there is a potential legal problem.

If Disney says: "Okay, you stop bidding and we'll sell you Sky for $X.XX."

That's an anti-trust violation, because they would be colluding and depressing the value Fox could potentially get.

But if, Disney says: "If we get it, we'll sell you Sky for $X.XX." I believe that would be legal because Disney wouldn't be putting a condition on it and Comcast would still be free to continue bidding.

There's a subtle difference, but that's the line they'd have to skate. And the problem is, the former would be much more attractive for Disney because they would have an assurance Comcast wouldn't go any higher and the ultimate bid wouldn't be too high. In the latter example, Comcast could drive the price up and if Disney pays too much, they may no longer be willing to offer the deal.


That leads to a potential hybrid in which Disney puts an upper limit on it: "As long as we don't pay more than $Y.YY, we'll sell you Sky for $X.XX." That wouldn't require Comcast to stop bidding, but it would put a cap on things. That might be borderline, but that's where the lawyers need to get involved and decide what they can and can't do.

Ideally, it should be a three-way conversation with Fox involved. The problem with that is Fox might be afraid the value they'd get with a split-deal would be lower than they'd get in a bidding war for the whole thing.
 
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Well they clearly seem to get him and realise he doesn't need to have this big convoluted past with others.
 
Those guys hit the nail on the head: the irony of trying to make Doctor Doom more relatable or more realistic in their comics-to-film translations is that they assume that the audience wouldn’t be able to suspend their disbelief at the idea of a tyrannical despot adorned in a metal mask when there are plenty of those types in real life.

And it isn’t that far-fetched to imagine a crazy narcissistic nut-job fascist who’s a bit eccentric look at Kim Jung Un, Mussolini who had this crazy architecture during his reign

Life is stranger than fiction....
Hopefully Marvel doesn’t make the same mistake.
 
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It's good to know if Marvel gets the rights, they'll have people who get it.

… but it will just be damn depressing if Marvel doesn't get them.
I’ll be crying manbaby tears and curse Roberts name for as long as I live if it doesn’t happen!
 
Expect Universal's Doom to have another go at the corporate businessman or blogger who turns metal. Maybe the name Doom will sound too silly for them.

Then expect some universal FFINO defenders to show up.
 
They get it. Doctor Doom can just be a more powerful Darth Vader, and audiences will accept that. The only thing that's problematic is whether you're going to do a Doctor Doom origin movie, you want the actor who dubs helmeted Doom to also play the earlier Victor or if you're going to do it exactly like Anakin Skywalker with a completely different actor than Doom's voice actor.
I think Vin Diesel is one of the few actors in Hollywood qualified and interested to do both the dubbing and the Victor part.
 
One idea on how to introduce Doom into the MCU that I like is that you make him a former student of the Ancient One. Heck, why not put Doctor Doom in a Doctor Strange film? That’d be interesting.
 
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So, the formula for getting Doom right seems to be rather simple: Give the fu***** rights to Marvel.
 
One idea on how to introduce Doom into the MCU that I like is that you make him a former student of the Ancient One. Heck, why not put Doctor Doom in a Doctor Strange film? That’d interesting.

Introducing Doctor Doom and his backstory as a Roma witch's son turned sorcery student turned king of Latveria in Strange 3 circa 2023 could work. Then reuse him in Black Panther 3 and a Fantastic 4 movie, building him up to a Secret Wars (1984 version) movie in place of an Avengers title.
 
Those guys hit the nail on the head: the irony of trying to make Doctor Doom more relatable or more realistic in their comics-to-film translations is that they assume that the audience wouldn’t be able suspend their disbelief at a tyrannical despot adorned in a metal mask when there are plenty of those types in real life.

And it isn’t that far-fetched to imagine a crazy narcissistic nut-job fascist who’s a bit eccentric look at Kim Jung Un, Mussolini who had this crazy architecture during his reign

Life is stranger than fiction....
Hopefully Marvel doesn’t make the same mistake.

Fidel Castro spent half a century in military fatigues. The idea of a tyrant wearing armor full time isn't all that hard to believe.
 
Sooo, assuming Disney buys at least the 20th Century Fox subsidiary of 21st Century Fox, how should they build up to an Avengers/F4/X-Men crossover with Doctor Doom?

I'd say "Doctor Strange 3" or Doctor Doom (2023) introduces Doom.
The X-Men and Magneto are introduced in X-Men (2023).
Avengers 5 is probably also a 2023 release.
Fantastic Four is a 2024 film. Villain is... Molecule Man? Eternals 2 (2024) guest stars Chris Hemsworth as Thor and ends with Celestials judging Earth a success and leaving. Before the end of 2024, give him a Thor 4 with the Enchantress & Hercules.
2025 marks Tom Holland's fifth & last solo film as Peter Parker. Sony & Marvel Studios recast the character without doing a reboot.
Avengers 6 in 2026 is subtitled "Devourer of Worlds". It's a team-up between the FF & Avengers to save Earth from becoming Galactus Chow. The Silver Surfer gets stuck on Earth for betraying his master.
The Defenders is a small team film where Doctor Strange, the Hulk, Silver Surfer & Valkyrie team up to stop a supernatural villain and the magically-empowered Wrecking Crew, because we need lots more villains for Secret Wars. Fantastic Four 2 is another 2027 film.
Secret Wars (2029) is about a Q-like pseudo-omnipotent being called Beyonder teleporting to another planet the F4, Spider-Man, Hulk, Captain Marvel, BuckyCap, Silver Surfer etc. against an equal number of villains (Molecule Man, Doctor Doom, Galactus, Ultron, Enchantress, the Wrecking Crew, ???) and the X-Men with Xavier & Magneto.
If this film makes >2 billion dollars, you can always escalate with another Secret Wars based on the 2015 comic where the Beyonder turns out to be a teenager of his species and a group of adults intend to shut down this universe.
 
Actually, let me check how that would work... if Sebastian Stan becomes Captain America, his first appearance as Cap will be the 6th on his 9-film contract (First Avenger, Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War & possibly Avengers 4 make 5). So he could be in Avengers 5, 6 & Secret Wars even if they give him another film under the Captain America title.
Spider-Man will need to be recast after Tom Holland does 8 or 10 films.
Hulk is easy to keep around.
They might be able to keep Evangeline Lilly's Wasp.
Chris Hemsworth and even Brie Larson (unless her first film doesn't do well enough to get sequels) would be gone. Hopefully they won't blow Monica Rambeau in the '90s and she and Hercules can take over for Carol & Thor.
 
Maybe the huge Incredibles 2 numbers will give Disney some balls (and give their stock another boost).
 
So what happens if Fox rejects Comcast on Wednesday?

I would expect some of the larger institutional investors to make a stink. And the board would be taking a risk that voters will reject the Disney deal (even if the Comcast bid isn’t on the ballot ). And some investors could potentially sue.

That’s all assuming a large number of investors ( and investors with large holdings) think the Comcast bid is worth at least considering. If shareholdrs generally agree with the board ( in that hypothetical ) and aren’t interested, it could go fairly smoothly and move on to the July vote.

But I think the bid is attractive enough that they do have to pause and consider it.
 
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