The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[MasterCat]

Comcast giving up all the Marvel rights in their possession in some kind of transaction.

All of them? As in a legally binding agreement to tear down everything Marvel-related at Universal Studios within 90 days? I feel like that would be driving a much more painful bargain than just the Hulk and Namor film rights weirdness.

 

[Big Bang]

All of them? As in a legally binding agreement to tear down everything Marvel-related at Universal Studios within 90 days? I feel like that would be driving a much more painful bargain than just the Hulk and Namor film rights weirdness.

Within 90 days? Likely not. An expiration within reason is probably what would we see. The larger question there if that were to be agreed to, is whether or not Disney would be blocked from adding Marvel to Hollywood Studios @ WDW during that time or if they would be free to do so at their leisure.

As big as they sound, any and all Marvel rights held by Universal are really just a drop in the bucket against the larger context of Comcast being able to expand itself globally.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Spoilers in this article, but it relates to some details of Ant-Man and The Wasp that Endeavor and I were discussing yesterday and how they could relate to Mutants:


http://****************.com/movies/ant-man-wasp-may-pave-way-x-men-mcu/

 

[WeaponXCII]

Spoilers in this article, but it relates to some details of Ant-Man and The Wasp that Endeavor and I were discussing yesterday and how they could relate to Mutants:


http://****************.com/movies/ant-man-wasp-may-pave-way-x-men-mcu/

Reading that article, I can't help but think of the phrase "be careful what you wish for". I mean, the idea stated in there sounds good, but to me it's just too different from the comics origin (i.e., Celestials).

Plus, my trepidation is that whatever plan they do use will radically alter the characters (Wolverine, Apocalypse. etc.) that are defined by their lifespan. That, because "they've just always existed" seems not to be enough, the Fox-Men will have a more accurate, satisfying explanation for mutation.

Should we be careful what we wish for?

 

[Marvel united]

That is a terrible idea for mutants

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of too many forced connections.

In Smallville, everything connected to the meteor storm.

In TV Flash, everything connected to the Star Lab explosion.

And in the MCU, they tie a lot of things to the alien invasion.

And the problem to me is it makes these worlds seem small. I like the idea of a lot of different things happening in a lot of different ways for a lot of different reasons... not everything linking to one event.

But if true, the thing that interests me about it is they're already planning for the mutants.

From that point of view, it's sort of exciting to think this could really happen. It still sort of feels like a fantasy or dream, not reality.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

That is a terrible idea for mutants

It really is.

And after watching AM&TW, I don't think having the F4 in the Quantum Realm since the 60's is a good idea either, they'd age.

People just gonna have to accept the fact that mutants were around as they always were, and we didn't pay attention till after Thanos finger snap.

 

[MasterCat]

People just gonna have to accept the fact that mutants were around as they always were, and we didn't pay attention till after Thanos finger snap.

Not going to accept that. I'll accept that no one paid attention to Xavier or Mystique during Civil War because their powers make them so good at hiding, but every other adult mutant has to be accounted for.
This is why it's important to start the X-Men at 15, rather than having 10-40 years of untold backstory in their first film like Fox's X-Men.

 

[Darth_Spock]

It really is.

And after watching AM&TW, I don't think having the F4 in the Quantum Realm since the 60's is a good idea either, they'd age.

People just gonna have to accept the fact that mutants were around as they always were, and we didn't pay attention till after Thanos finger snap.

It feels like the only ones who can't accept it are the ones who don't want X-Men or F4 in the MCU in the first place. To me it's not that hard to accept that the last 3 waves have only scratched the surface of what's in the MCU. The world didn't know about Wakanda and they still don't really know about Dr. Strange or the realm he represents save for an Easter Egg. GotG are still a mystery as is Captain Marvel's back story.

Not going to accept that.

Then don't. I will.

It wouldn't be that hard for Marvel Studios to make the Sokvia Accords an extension of the already existing Mutant Registration Act. The only reason it was never brought up in MCU's Avengers is because none of them were born on Earth with special powers.

Plus SHIELD and other factions are always hiding things (even from each other). So why limit the MCU's world building now? I mean after Red Skull's use of the Tesseract in WW2, nothing weird happened again until Tony made an Iron suit....?

 

[ImSGirl95]

Totally agree with the above. There are so much things that we don't know about. Even with the Eternals coming, which Feige teased will be based on Kirby run.

Not to mention even the MCU TV shows, revealing so much stuff from the past. Even Agents of SHIELD revealed so much that nobody knows about.

 

[Dark Raven]

No talk of Ant Man in here please. Even if it's supposedly subtle, people can still figure out what is being said. Ant Man doesn't come out for a month here in the UK and I still want to follow this thread.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't agree that mutants should be a new phenomenon that are a result of the Quantum Realm. I think mutants should have always existed in small numbers. Small enough that they flied under the radar. But I agree with MC that the X-Men should be fresh and new. They shouldn't have decades of worth of development under their belt- they should be kids and they shoud be a direct response to the sudden boom of mutants and the discrimination that they start to face

 

[Rorschach2012]

I don't agree that mutants should be a new phenomenon that are a result of the Quantum Realm. I think mutants should have always existed in small numbers. Small enough that they flied under the radar. But I agree with MC that the X-Men should be fresh and new. They shouldn't have decades of worth of development under their belt- they should be kids and they shoud be a direct response to the sudden boom of mutants and the discrimination that they start to face

This. It’s not that hard to explain.

 

[Rorschach2012]

If they somehow do get the rights to X-Men back, please wait a bit longer for Logan to come back. At least 8 years after his last film. It’s just too soon to bring him back after the emotional wreck that last film made us.

I don’t agree. They should bring him back whenever they feel like it. He’ll be different enough in the MCU that it won’t matter. I’m down for Wolverine in the first MCU X-Men movie

 

[Detective Conan]

It'd be smarter to hold off on Wolverine until the second film so we can have time to focus on the original five X-Men. I want Cyclops to take center stage and possibly be dubbed "mutantkinds answer to Captain America" in the MCU.

Granted, it'd make more sense from a commercial standpoint to put the clawed mutant in the first movie but I think the character needs to rest for while longer before a new actor in a new universe plays him.

 

[MasterCat]

I don't agree that mutants should be a new phenomenon that are a result of the Quantum Realm. I think mutants should have always existed in small numbers. Small enough that they flied under the radar. But I agree with MC that the X-Men should be fresh and new. They shouldn't have decades of worth of development under their belt- they should be kids and they shoud be a direct response to the sudden boom of mutants and the discrimination that they start to face

Exactly. There's been like one mutant in a generation (like Logan, Erik, Mystique, Xavier), then suddenly Xavier sees evidence of SIX or more adolescents manifesting powers around the same time. Something big is happening, and these mutants need help before they get in trouble. And how does Erik react to this change that comes to the world when he's an old man?
You'd have a logical setup to have a one-year timeskip between sequels and introduce a new class/team of 5-6 whenever you want.

 

[The Guard]

Okay, let's put some real numbers on it. Imagine you're an investor who bought 10,000 shares of Fox 10 years ago at $10 a share.

Initial investment $100,000.

Now you can get $380,000 in Disney stock as a sure thing. In your pocket before the end of the year.

If Comcast bids $42.5 per share, you could theoretically, pocket $425,000 in cash.

But wait a minute. $325,000 of that is capital gains. If you have an income and live in a location that results in a 30% capital gains tax, that's $97,500 in capital gains taxes, so you're really only pocketing $327,500 in cash vs $380,000 in stock in a company that is moving into 2019 with a lot of content for their new streaming service and other assets they can leverage.

So take $380,000 in Disney stock guaranteed now, or $327,500 in cash... maybe in late 2019.

Oh, and by the way, the DOJ could have a problem or Comcast shareholders might reject it.

And by that time Disney likely would have moved on. They would have bought content elsewhere and they would no longer have any interest in Fox.

And since the value of Fox stock has risen to about twice its original value purely because of Disney and Comcast, that stock could fall back dramatically. Resulting in a huge loss.

Like I said, foolish.

Comcast would have to go a lot higher than that in a pure cash offer to get the attention of most investors.

You're still arguing why they should or should not vote for a particular deal.

I'm only arguing that if Comcast makes a much sweeter offer, they would likely still need to consider it.

 

[Big Bang]

After seeing AM+TW, now wishing Hope had been in CA:CW

 

[WeaponXCII]

Deadpool 2 panel replacing Marvel Studios in Hall H at SDCC....

https://www.comic-con.org/cci/saturday

 

[Chris B]

I'd be cool with Peyton Reed directing FF myself. He may not be as strong of a director as the Russo Bros. or Gunn, but the fact that he seems to have an understanding and passion for the characters would go a long way in compensating for that I think. Plus, he has shown with the Ant-Man films that he could bring the earnest and heartfelt nature that a FF should have.

My one concern with him that I don't think he has really demonstrated that he can deliver a strong villain. And with the FF, you need someone that can do that Dr. Doom as well as their other rogues.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I can't see why patience would be an issue here when we're talking these kinds of numbers. Another ten billion potentially buys some more patience, I would think.

You're still arguing why they should or should not vote for a particular deal.

I'm only arguing that if Comcast makes a much sweeter offer, they would likely still need to consider it.

Sure. Obviously if Comcast makes a big offer, that would get shareholder's attention. But we were never talking about a big offer.

This conversation started with the idea Comcast could offer $80 billion. At this point, such an offer would likely be an annoyance to and try the patience of the majority of shareholders who, in the absence of a serious offer, want to close this thing and don't want another vote delayed by a weak, unnanounced, unwanted offer.

A good portfolio can make 10% in a good year, so an offer like that would be insulting.

 

[Krystal]

When is the current deadline for this to (possibly) be over as far as who wins?

Thanks.

 

[Marvel united]

When is the current deadline for this to (possibly) be over as far as who wins?

Thanks.

The shareholder vote on the 27th

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

When is the current deadline for this to (possibly) be over as far as who wins?

Thanks.

There is nothing firm, yet, but there are a number of small milestones leading to a closing.

Comcast’s first missed opportunity was to not offer a new bid before the DOJ approved Disney. When that happened, the price to Comcast shot up.

Additionally, Comcast is currently missing an opportunity by not indicating an intention to offer another bid. Because they haven’t done that, Fox is moving forward. They’ve scheduled a shareholder meeting for July 27, and ballots have already gone out.

Comcast could make an offer any time before that meeting, but votes are trickling in now, and everybody will vote by the 27th. Failure to submit a new bid by then would, for all practical purposes, put an end to it. But Comcast could still make an offer after that right up until the close (which likely won’t be for a few more months). But any bid after the vote would have to be HUGE. And even now, with everything progressing, the bid comcast would have to make grows with each passing day.

 

[Krystal]

There is nothing firm, yet, but there are a number of small milestones leading to a closing.

Comcast’s first missed opportunity was to not offer a new bid before the DOJ approved Disney. When that happened, the price to Comcast shot up.

Additionally, Comcast is currently missing an opportunity by not indicating an intention to offer another bid. Because they haven’t done that, Fox is moving forward. They’ve scheduled a shareholder meeting for July 27, and ballots have already gone out.

Comcast could make an offer any time before that meeting, but votes are trickling in now, and everybody will vote by the 27th. Failure to submit a new bid by then would, for all practical purposes, put an end to it. But Comcast could still make an offer after that right up until the close (which likely won’t be for a few more months). But any bid after the vote would have to be HUGE. And even now, with everything progressing, the bid comcast would have to make grows with each passing day.

That's very interesting.
So if I am looking at this optimistically, my question, is if Comcast does not move before July 27 and the shareholders vote yes -- would the MCU at that point be able to legally insert teases/references into their upcoming movies?

Or would they still have to wait until the deal was completely finalized?

Perhaps this is moot for Captain Marvel -- but they may still have time to add something to A4 and certainly SMH2.